cdanteek Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Consumers who are looking at getting their hands on fastest DVD writer available will be happy to know that Lite-On has unveiled its first 20x DVD writer, which Lite-On also claims to be the world's first official DVD writer capable of writing at 20x. According to DigitTimes, Lite-On launched two 20x models, the LH-20A1P and the LH-20A1H, with the only difference being LightScribe support added on the LH-20A1H model. Both writers feature DVD±R/RW, DVD±R DL, DVD-RAM and CD-RW writing capabilities. The ODD market leader Hitachi-LG Data Storage (HLDS) is cautious about demand for 20x DVD burners. The difference between a 20x model and an 18x model is likely to be in the order of seconds, thus making the 20x speed more of a marketing gimmick for consumers. 20x Burner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn98109 Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 What kind of system requirements does that monster have to run at full speed?? Lynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdanteek Posted November 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 What kind of system requirements does that monster have to run at full speed?? Lynn I don't think w98 and it's hardware are going to cut it! My raid 0 stripe array can carry a 56x sustained data rate. That is in xp though and with another software test. cdanteek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malatekid Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 I don't think w98 and it's hardware are going to cut it! My raid 0 stripe array can carry a 56x sustained data rate. That is in xp though and with another software test. cdanteek I haven't researched yet but are there 20x media available already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDWAGON Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 As far as I'm concerned the 20X rate won't be much different when actually being burned than the 16X media I have been using for some time now. I rarely get anywhere near 16X when burning with that media and I have all of my hardware up to snuff. I get way more speed from burning with my CD-R drive than I do with my DVD/RW drive, but that's understandable. Frank.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malatekid Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 As far as I'm concerned the 20X rate won't be much different when actually being burned than the 16X media I have been using for some time now. I rarely get anywhere near 16X when burning with that media and I have all of my hardware up to snuff. I get way more speed from burning with my CD-R drive than I do with my DVD/RW drive, but that's understandable. Frank.... Same experience here, Frank. Jess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn98109 Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 As far as I'm concerned the 20X rate won't be much different when actually being burned than the 16X media I have been using for some time now. I rarely get anywhere near 16X when burning with that media and I have all of my hardware up to snuff. I get way more speed from burning with my CD-R drive than I do with my DVD/RW drive, but that's understandable. Frank.... 1x for DVD is far faster than 1x for CD. Remember that while 1x CD speed is 150Kb/sec, 1x DVD is 1.2MB/s (or 8x CD) (www.techimo.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-5701.html) This is from Plextor.com - http://www.plextor.com/english/support/faqs/G00013.htm Lynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdanteek Posted November 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 lynn98109 Thank you Lynn for pointing that out. 8x DVD (about 10.8 MB/sec or an equivalent CD-ROM rate of 72X) and 12x DVD (about 16.2 MB/sec). malatekid, The firmware overspeeds +R media to the 18x and 20x burns. No 18 or 20 x media I know of either. cdanteek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malatekid Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Thank you Lynn for pointing that out.8x DVD (about 10.8 MB/sec or an equivalent CD-ROM rate of 72X) and 12x DVD (about 16.2 MB/sec). malatekid, The firmware overspeeds +R media to the 18x and 20x burns. No 18 or 20 x media I know of either. cdanteek Thanks for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinsinger Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 And what RPMs are we getting into here. I know one of the big concerns with CD's at 40+X was rpm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gi7omy Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 And what RPMs are we getting into here. I know one of the big concerns with CD's at 40+X was rpm. The big worry back then when CDs hit 52x (and why it was said that DVDs wouldn't go past 16x) was down to the centrifugal force on the disc while it was spinning. Unless they've produced a disc with plastic that can withstand the amount of force which will be exerted on it, I would have grave reservations about the technology. Speed is one thing - but at the risk of a disc shattering inside the drive? No thanks - I've seen it happen and it always trashed the hardware when those slivers went flying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdanteek Posted November 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 gi7omy, Have you heard of MythBusters? Episode 2 — "Cell Phone Destruction, Silicone Breasts, CD-ROM Shattering" Original airdate: October 3, 2003 CD-Rom Shattering Myth statement Status Notes CDs can shatter if placed in a high-speed (i.e. 40X or faster) CD-Rom drive Status Partly Busted Busted It was proven that a high rotation (in excess of 8,000 RPMs) could shatter the CDs, but the MythBusters could not achieve this using an average CD-ROM drive. Possible physical damage to the CD made shattering more likely. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters_(...M_Shattering.22 cdanteek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gi7omy Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 cd - I've SEEN it happen Usually it's caused by a disc that is not symmetrical, fair enough but I never said that 2x blanks would shatter at 52x. What I did say is that the centrifugal force as you pass the higher end increases and THAT can shatter the disc. 20x will be equivalent to at LEAST 80x CD and it will need stronger plastic to withstand that As for DVDs being 8x CD speed - I've a feeling that's a typo on the website - 16x times 8 will give a CD equivalent of 128x - Personally, I'd pitch it down to 4x CD making it equivalent to a 64x. My own 8x drive does CDs at 32x (which is what I'm basing that on) btw - the disc symmetry is one reason it's not recommended to use sticky labels on DVDs - if they're not fitted perfectly, there can be bubbles throwing the thing off balance and that will also have a shattering effect (on your nerves as well when those slivers fly round inside the drive) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinsinger Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 gi7omy, Have you heard of MythBusters? Episode 2 — "Cell Phone Destruction, Silicone Breasts, CD-ROM Shattering" Original airdate: October 3, 2003 CD-Rom Shattering Myth statement Status Notes CDs can shatter if placed in a high-speed (i.e. 40X or faster) CD-Rom drive Status Partly Busted Busted It was proven that a high rotation (in excess of 8,000 RPMs) could shatter the CDs, but the MythBusters could not achieve this using an average CD-ROM drive. Possible physical damage to the CD made shattering more likely. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters_(...M_Shattering.22 cdanteek Yep, I watch them all the time. And they have screwed before. Remember the chicken gun. Took them 3 tries to get it right. I have had CDs that are printed make noise in the drive. Evidently either the ink was heavier on one side or there was a flaw in the plastic. At that speed, it doesn't take much to throw it off balance. Even beyond shattering, what is it doing to the drive when it is slightly off balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandpabruce Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 As far as I'm concerned the 20X rate won't be much different when actually being burned than the 16X media I have been using for some time now. I rarely get anywhere near 16X when burning with that media and I have all of my hardware up to snuff. I get way more speed from burning with my CD-R drive than I do with my DVD/RW drive, but that's understandable. Frank.... Actually, I still don't burn my productions at a speed faster than 8x. I have seen set top players that won't play any DVD that was burned at more that 4x. 20x would be fantastic for data, but will wait for a long time to see reports on the 20x burners, before I will buy one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdanteek Posted November 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Actually, I still don't burn my productions at a speed faster than 8x. I have seen set top players that won't play any DVD that was burned at more that 4x. 20x would be fantastic for data, but will wait for a long time to see reports on the 20x burners, before I will buy one. In the case of DVD media, the decisions on burn speed are taken away from you. Available burn speeds are set in the drive firmware, and only a firmware change can alter those speeds. Below is one way around it. Warning use of this tool with official firmware or unofficial firmware might damage your drive and will void your warranty. Warning if you cannot afford to damage your drive and void your warranty, leave these tools alone! MediaCodeSpeedEdit allows you to get even more out of your Benq/Philips burner by applying changes to the official firmware. MediaCodeSpeedEdit also supports models of other manufacturers. cdanteek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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