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No Multipass for *New* iPod Format?

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Hello is anyone else upset that Roxio, tricked us? They say they offer iPod 640 by 480 support which they do. However is anyone else upset that you spent 50 dollars on a product that will not allows multipass for the new H.264 format for iPod? I feel that they should allow for customiation to the new iPod settings. For I feel this is kind of a rip off. A free* program called MPEG-Stream Clip is more advanced with the iPod (and it is in Beta) than a commercial Application Popcorn 2.1. I am very upset at how unlike before you can't change audio settings or multipass for new H.264 640 by 480 iPod settings. In MPEGStream Clip your can! You can change Audio, fps, and even add multipass. They only reason I am upset at Roxio for not inlcuding this is that I have to have 2 programs when I very well would have just liked to have had Roxo's Popcorn do it all.

HEY ROXIO... when will you allow this? Because multipass greatly increases Quality!

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Hello, Roxio please Tell us any news on multipass with Popcorn 2 and the new iPod 640w H.264 format? I am getting VERY impatient with the holidays! I am getting really really really upset, because MPEG Streamclip has its issues, so does Handbrake (no longer is being developed - at least for Intel macs) and I am at the same time Furious that you would not add this so we didn't have to argue with you about adding it. I feel like I am begging you for something I feel won't happen.

 

PLEASE FOR GODS sake add multipass to Popcorn 2! and Hurry! with the holidays here and me getting a cool iLuv video system for my ipod and I would have loved to put my family videos on it. However your non multipass isn't to acceptable! So please please please add it. Or at least let us know why you won't be adding it. And finally update us about any new news in regard to adding multipass to popcorn 2.

 

 

For your program is by FAR my favorite, GUI (interface) is beautifully done, and the way you separate movie titles is well done like a pro. But Please for us videophile ADD Multipass ASAP

 

A very desperate customer.

 

 

PS. Happy Holidays!!

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Do you watch the files on the TV or the iPod, because if you watch on the iPod, it won't make much difference.

 

I watch it on both my iPod and iMac (which I use for all my media viewing :) Glad to see I am not the only one who thinks this should have been a choice, shame that Roxio isn't answering us on why they didn't add it.

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Hello is anyone else upset that Roxio, tricked us? They say they offer iPod 640 by 480 support which they do. However is anyone else upset that you spent 50 dollars on a product that will not allows multipass for the new H.264 format for iPod? I feel that they should allow for customiation to the new iPod settings. For I feel this is kind of a rip off. A free* program called MPEG-Stream Clip is more advanced with the iPod (and it is in Beta) than a commercial Application Popcorn 2.1. I am very upset at how unlike before you can't change audio settings or multipass for new H.264 640 by 480 iPod settings. In MPEGStream Clip your can! You can change Audio, fps, and even add multipass. They only reason I am upset at Roxio for not inlcuding this is that I have to have 2 programs when I very well would have just liked to have had Roxo's Popcorn do it all.

HEY ROXIO... when will you allow this? Because multipass greatly increases Quality!

 

-AJH (Apples)

 

So I'm not the only one then it seems. For an expensive program with no demo/trial, this is a joke. I want full customization for the new H.264 resolution. What on earth were Roxio thinking? Quictime already provides us with non-customizable H.264 640x480 conversion. Why the hell should we pay for a program to do the same?

 

Joshua.

 

Do you watch the files on the TV or the iPod, because if you watch on the iPod, it won't make much difference.

 

Obviously the whole point of the new 640x480 H.264 is to watch it on the iPod AND TV/Computer/whatever. What would be the point to release a new standard as the iPod's resolution is only 320x240?

 

Joshua.

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I must be missing something here. When I enter the Custom settings (using the Quality button) and choose H.264 as the video format along with 640x480 resolution, and then click the Video Options button the option appears for choosing multi-pass or single pass encoding. Isn't that working or did you just not see the option?

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I must be missing something here. When I enter the Custom settings (using the Quality button) and choose H.264 as the video format along with 640x480 resolution, and then click the Video Options button the option appears for choosing multi-pass or single pass encoding. Isn't that working or did you just not see the option?

 

You are missing something. You cannot create a custom H.264 640x480 video, thus, you can't select multipass either. Sure, you can create a 640x480 H.264 but it would not be Baseline Low Profile and wouldn't work on the iPod.

 

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You are missing something. You cannot create a custom H.264 640x480 video, thus, you can't select multipass either. Sure, you can create a 640x480 H.264 but it would not be Baseline Low Profile and wouldn't work on the iPod.

 

Joshua.

But Baseline is an option in the settings as well. I'm still confused.

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But Baseline is an option in the settings as well. I'm still confused.

 

There is Baseline and there is Baseline Low-Complexity. Two different things. The original H.264 format in the iPod was regular Baseline 320x240. The new one is Baseline Low-Complexity 640x480. If you create a regular Baseline 640x480 H.264 video file it will play fine in Quicktime/VLC/iTunes but it will not transfer to the iPod.

 

Apparently (I'm guessing) Roxio's version of Baseline Low-Complexity is "Extended" but it's greyed out. I just need to know why it's done like that.

 

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There is Baseline and there is Baseline Low-Complexity. Two different things. The original H.264 format in the iPod was regular Baseline 320x240. The new one is Baseline Low-Complexity 640x480. If you create a regular Baseline 640x480 H.264 video file it will play fine in Quicktime/VLC/iTunes but it will not transfer to the iPod.

 

Apparently (I'm guessing) Roxio's version of Baseline Low-Complexity is "Extended" but it's greyed out. I just need to know why it's done like that.

 

Joshua.

Thanks. I understand the issue now. Hopefully a Roxio person can address this issue.

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you know...there is no difference between this debate and the whole MP3 vs AAC, 128kbps vs 320kbps debate. in the balancing act of video quality vs file size, i personally lean much more towards quality. storage is relatively cheap now. if i'm going to spend the time transcoding a bunch of movies to h.264 for itunes, than i'd rather make the "right" decision ONCE. I want my videos to look as good as possible on my TV (SD for now) and my 23"ACD while still maintaining ipod transfer capability, so i can haul it all on the road. Multi-pass with ipod compatibility is a surely reasonable request. Roxio, please???

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Apples H.264 encoder is 7-pass and very slow. It could easily take 10 hours or more to encode compared to the single-pass, even on a very fast Mac. Are you willing to wait that long for one movie?

 

Hello, yes acctually it is worth the wait. I already use MPEG Streamclip which takes just as long as QuickTime (At least in my opion). I just LOVE Roxio's innovatie seprations of Movie Titles and extras This is why I really want multipass on Popcorn 2!

 

The reason why I am so patient is because I am well a videophile. lol, I think that having blury frames in the movie is not up to par. That is why I love multipass and think is is worth the wait, no blury fast frames. Plus with me getting the 7inch screen player for my ipod this is a must lol. (talking about sonic impact's portable ipod player).

 

Well thanks for your help and intrest in this post I do appricate it. Thanks JOHN at Roxio I do hope that feature is added!

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