transition duration

[boots]

How can I use random transitions and change the duration of all? I have tried double clicking on a transition and getting the transition menu, where I change the duration and hit apply to all. All transitions are changed to that transition and duration. I have also tried opening the transition menu and deselecting any particular transition, then adjusting the duration. I then apply to all, emc 9 shuts down. Any suggestions?

[grandpabruce]

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Based on what you indicated that means that the transition times are integrated somehow with the times for the slides or photos. I'm saying that should not be !!

 

It just doesn't make any sense to me to have the times for the slides and the transitions integrated. period !

 

 

Frank...

 

The integration makes some sense to me. If I am using dissolves, I want the one photo to fade out, with it still showing, as it is fading, at the same time the next photo is starting to show up. It is a very nice effect, and I think that without the integration, it would not be possible. I am not sure, though.

[sknis]

I never use that option, but it worked fine in V8. Here is what happens on my machine. I set the transition duration to 5 seconds. The first transition was 3.94 seconds. The next was 1.07sec. The next was 3.94 sec. The next was 1.07. Although it's close to 5 seconds total between TWO transitions, that certainly wasn't what I was expecting. Since this is not working like it should, this should be reported.

 

However, you totally missed what I posted. I was trying to explain how a single transition works.

Yes the program has some quirks.

 

To the original poster, as a work around , select the first transition and change the time; apply to all. Now select the next transition and do the same; they should all change to the correct duration depending on the display time of the images. This also seems to work when you want to change all transitions to a different one using that change all option. That one is easier to spot because you can see the transition icon.

[REDWAGON]

Not entirely true Gary---I have been testing this problem several times today and even if I change the photo duration to say 20 seconds, and make them ALL that same time, and then try and do a transition duration and make it say 3 seconds on the first photo slide, and the use the option to change ALL of the transitions to that same time of 3 seconds, it just doesn'r work !!

 

I would think that that option should work exactly like the option to change all of the slides in videowave to the same duration.

 

If I want each slide in my production to be say 10 seconds and and each transition to be say 3 seconds, how would you do that ???? I can do it if I change the transition duration a slide at a time but the program option SAYS--You can change ALL of the transitions to be the same as the time option you have chosen.

 

Frank...

[REDWAGON]

"I right clicked on the first transition, and changed the time from 2 seconds to 2.8 seconds and selected the Apply duration to all transitions. It applied the 2.8 seconds to all of the photos."

 

I have tried to duplicate this several times now and I just do not get the same time on all the transitions no matter how I set the photo times and/or the transition durations. It very well might be that my 7.5 and 9 are somehow not istalled right or a corrupt file or ?? I don't know, but if I could get all the transition times to be the same, I would have no problems.

 

I can understand the integration between transitions and photos in the production and in some instances it sure makes sense.

 

BTW John, thanks for passing this thread information on to QA.

 

Frank...

[grandpabruce]

"I right clicked on the first transition, and changed the time from 2 seconds to 2.8 seconds and selected the Apply duration to all transitions. It applied the 2.8 seconds to all of the photos."

 

I have tried to duplicate this several times now and I just do not get the same time on all the transitions no matter how I set the photo times and/or the transition durations. It very well might be that my 7.5 and 9 are somehow not istalled right or a corrupt file or ?? I don't know, but if I could get all the transition times to be the same, I would have no problems.

 

I can understand the integration between transitions and photos in the production and in some instances it sure makes sense.

 

BTW John, thanks for passing this thread information on to QA.

 

Frank...

 

Frank, before I installed EMC 9, I uninstalled EMC 7.5. Once EMC 9 was registered and the mpeg validated, and the other stuff that needs to be validated, I reinstalled EMC 7.5, and all worked fine with both programs, with the exception of my hardware rendering in EMC 9, noted in another thread in the forums.

 

Neither program totally worked correctly, when EMC 7.5 was on the computer when I installed EMC 9.

[ggrussell]

Not entirely true Gary---I have been testing this problem several times today and even if I change the photo duration to say 20 seconds, and make them ALL that same time, and then try and do a transition duration and make it say 3 seconds on the first photo slide, and the use the option to change ALL of the transitions to that same time of 3 seconds, it just doesn'r work !

I never use that option, but it worked fine in V8. Here is what happens on my machine. I set the transition duration to 5 seconds. The first transition was 3.94 seconds. The next was 1.07sec. The next was 3.94 sec. The next was 1.07. Although it's close to 5 seconds total between TWO transitions, that certainly wasn't what I was expecting. Since this is not working like it should, this should be reported.

 

However, you totally missed what I posted. I was trying to explain how a single transition works.

[REDWAGON]

I apologize Gary if I did not understand your comments. My post was still trying to figure out how to do what the OP originally wanted. And you are correct in regards to the options not working like they should. I have done this I don't know how many times and it's always the same. In other words I keep getting similar duration times like the test you made. No where near setting the times all the same.

 

And I have tried this several times on EMC 7.5 and 9 and it still does the same thing. I have removed 8 from one of my computers so I can't check to see if 8 does the same thing too. This is a bug inthe program, either that or I'm just not smart enough to figure out how to make it work using the options in the program--Just like the original poster was not able to do.

 

Frank....

[bimicher]

I apologize Gary if I did not understand your comments. My post was still trying to figure out how to do what the OP originally wanted. And you are correct in regards to the options not working like they should. I have done this I don't know how many times and it's always the same. In other words I keep getting similar duration times like the test you made. No where near setting the times all the same.

 

And I have tried this several times on EMC 7.5 and 9 and it still does the same thing. I have removed 8 from one of my computers so I can't check to see if 8 does the same thing too. This is a bug inthe program, either that or I'm just not smart enough to figure out how to make it work using the options in the program--Just like the original poster was not able to do.

 

Frank....

 

In EMC 7.5, I can change all transition durations to the time I select, that is the function works correctly. I don't have 8 or 9 installed so cannot check that there.

[REDWAGON]

I tried doing it on several tests in 7.5 Walt and I couldn't do it. Could you go through a step by step set of options you made to make it happen.

 

1--Here's what I have tried. Opened up Videowave and started a new production

2--Selected 9 photos to add.

3--Set the photo duration for each photo to 8 seconds.

4--Then clicked on the Transitions Icon (in Timeline view).

5--Selected Random as my choice of transitions.

6--After the transitions were included, I right clicked on the first transition and then selected "Set Transition Duration" and set for 3 seconds and then checked the box to Apply that duration to all of the transitions in the production.

7--Now I double clicked on the first transition and the time showed what I has set it for.

8--BUT, when I double clicked on any of the other transitions the time was not set for the 3 seconds I chose.

 

When the option says "APPLY DURATION TO ALL TRANSITIONS.." that's what it should do. And the transition duration IMO should not be intigrated in any way with what the slide or photo duration is set for.

 

Frank...

[boots]

Only part of the problem Bruce---What I think the OP is wanting to do is what you suggested, but then instead of using the default duration time, right click on one of the transitions or double click it and the chose the option to change the duration time and then click on the option to apply that new duration to all of the transitions transitions, rather than have to change each one separately.

 

 

 

I have tried both EMC 7.5 and 9 and following what then OP is trying to do, it just doesn't work !! The best I saw in EMC 9 was for some reason every other transition changed to the new time. I also have noticed that even when you use the options correctly, the duration time can only be changed to a maximum of 3+ seconds. I never could get it to go higher. I'm not sure but the duration timing might be associated with the time for the photo or something else, but I doubt it. I'm still trying to accomplish what the OP is trying to do though.

 

 

 

Frank....

 

 

Dear Frank

 

I have emc 7 and 7.5 and had no trouble with applying transition times but in emc9, each time I try to apply a transition time to all, it also applies that same transition to all.

 

the steps I have taken are; I set the transition theme to random

I then right click on a transition, or double click

I then choose change transition duration

I then choose apply duration to all

 

all transitions are then changed to the same duration and SAME TRANSITION which by default is the first transition on the menu as it is automatically selected when the window is opened. If I deselect this transsition (so that none are highlighted) and try to change the duration and apply to all, the emc program shuts down.

 

I realize I could change the durations individually but would like to avoid this due to the number of transitions. I have made several slide shows this way on 7 and 7.5 without any problem. I thought maybe emc9 has a new method etc. As I have found the process for changing the duration of the slides has changed to the trim menu.

 

After reading all the GREAT replies (which are very much appreciated) I am beginning to believe that I have a glitch in my program.

 

You mentioned "Even when I use the options correctly"

Am I using the incorrectly? Please tell me the proper method.

 

Thanks

[bimicher]

I tried doing it on several tests in 7.5 Walt and I couldn't do it. Could you go through a step by step set of options you made to make it happen.

 

1--Here's what I have tried. Opened up Videowave and started a new production

2--Selected 9 photos to add.

3--Set the photo duration for each photo to 8 seconds.

4--Then clicked on the Transitions Icon (in Timeline view).

5--Selected Random as my choice of transitions.

6--After the transitions were included, I right clicked on the first transition and then selected "Set Transition Duration" and set for 3 seconds and then checked the box to Apply that duration to all of the transitions in the production.

7--Now I double clicked on the first transition and the time showed what I has set it for.

8--BUT, when I double clicked on any of the other transitions the time was not set for the 3 seconds I chose.

 

When the option says "APPLY DURATION TO ALL TRANSITIONS.." that's what it should do. And the transition duration IMO should not be intigrated in any way with what the slide or photo duration is set for.

 

Frank...

 

Frank, I just did another test using your steps and exact numbers and it works correctly for me everytime.

 

When I changed the duration of all the photos to 5 secs, all the transition duration times all switched to 1.9 secs just as it should.

 

So for me EMC 7.5 has no problem

[boots]

You lost me here. What are you asking? You already answered your own question on changing the duration on transitions.

 

If you want random transitions, click on the 5th icon from the left, (2 to the right of the scissors) at the top of Production Editor. Random is the 6th one down on the next screen that comes up. Click on it, then click Yes when it asks you if you want all of the transitions in your production replaced.

 

Now, if you want to set the duration of each of those transitions, individually, make sure that you are in Storyline and right click on one of the transitions, select Set Transition Duration, set it to whatever time you want, then click ok.

 

Everything is fine up to this point , the problem is when I want to adjust the transition and apply it to all. If I leave the first transition highlighted (as it is by default) all transitions change to that single transiontion (this should not happen since the window I am in is to adjust the duration). If I deselect the first transition and adjust the duration and apply to all, the program shuts down.

 

I have not found any way to adjust the default duration for all transition, as I can the slides.

 

I am aware I can adjust them individually but that would be very time consuming (also tedious) and was not necessary in emc 7, 7.5.

 

Thanks for all the help

 

Karen

[REDWAGON]

"When I changed the duration of all the photos to 5 secs, all the transition duration times all switched to 1.9 secs just as it should." ("Just as it should", makes no sense to me at all).

 

Based on what you indicated that means that the transition times are integrated somehow with the times for the slides or photos. I'm saying that should not be !! If I set the photo duration time for 8 or 5 or 10 seconds and set the transition time for each transition at 2 seconds or 3 seconds or 4 seconds, then ALL of the transition timers should be that 2, 3, or 4 seconds. And that ceratinly isn't what the option indicates when you click on you want to make all the transitions the same time !!

 

It just doesn't make any sense to me to have the times for the slides and the transitions integrated. period !

 

And if you check version 9, it even acts different than 7.5

 

Frank...

[boots]

Yes the program has some quirks.

 

To the original poster, as a work around , select the first transition and change the time; apply to all. Now select the next transition and do the same; they should all change to the correct duration depending on the display time of the images. This also seems to work when you want to change all transitions to a different one using that change all option. That one is easier to spot because you can see the transition icon.

 

I think maybe everyone is missing my Issue. My problem is that while the duration is changed to the time I choose , ALL transitions are changed the first transition in the window. making all transitions the same.

the only way around this is to change each one individually, which I should not have to do. This was not an issue in emc7 and 7.5. I never kept 8 as it continuously crashed my computer.

 

I very much appreciate the response I am having to this issue

Thaks Karen

[grandpabruce]

Everything is fine up to this point , the problem is when I want to adjust the transition and apply it to all. If I leave the first transition highlighted (as it is by default) all transitions change to that single transiontion (this should not happen since the window I am in is to adjust the duration). If I deselect the first transition and adjust the duration and apply to all, the program shuts down.

 

I have not found any way to adjust the default duration for all transition, as I can the slides.

 

I am aware I can adjust them individually but that would be very time consuming (also tedious) and was not necessary in emc 7, 7.5.

 

Thanks for all the help

 

Karen

 

I can't recreate that. I apply random transitions, and I get random transitions. I then right click on the first transition (any transition will do) and select Set Transition Duration. I then change the duration time and click on Apply to All. It works, and the random transitions are still there with the new duration time. The transitions do not change to the trasition that I right clicked on.

[bimicher]

"When I changed the duration of all the photos to 5 secs, all the transition duration times all switched to 1.9 secs just as it should." ("Just as it should", makes no sense to me at all).

 

Based on what you indicated that means that the transition times are integrated somehow with the times for the slides or photos. I'm saying that should not be !! If I set the photo duration time for 8 or 5 or 10 seconds and set the transition time for each transition at 2 seconds or 3 seconds or 4 seconds, then ALL of the transition timers should be that 2, 3, or 4 seconds. And that ceratinly isn't what the option indicates when you click on you want to make all the transitions the same time !!

 

It just doesn't make any sense to me to have the times for the slides and the transitions integrated. period !

 

And if you check version 9, it even acts different than 7.5

 

Frank...

 

Do a simple test-

1-add 2 photos to the Storyboard in Videowave, no transition between them, set the duration of both images to 10 sec, The total time of the show is now indicated as ~ 20seconds

2-now add a transition between the 2 photos and set the duration to 2 secs

3-the total show length is reduced to 18 secs

 

This seems to indicate that the transition time and image times become integrated. The 1st second of the 2nd photo gets overlayed over the last second of the photo. You can see this chnage by looking at the times in the preview window.

 

If your transition time exceeds some fraction of the photo duration then the transition time gets shortened automatically

[REDWAGON]

"I have not found any way to adjust the default duration for all transition, as I can the slides."

 

Based on some of the replies on this thread you CAN do this but as you have suggested, it also changes ALL of the transitions also. I have not found a way to change all of the duration times (after choosing the Random selection) using the method you describe either, without changing all the transitions to the same one.

 

The only way I have been able to change the duration time (to any duration) of all the transitions and leaving them the same transition, is to change each one individually. Changing a transition duration does not work the same as the options you have for changing all the photos or slides in your production and this is what I assume you thought it would do. If you just look at the option text, one would probably think that.

 

Frank...

[grandpabruce]

"I have not found any way to adjust the default duration for all transition, as I can the slides."

 

Based on some of the replies on this thread you CAN do this but as you have suggested, it also changes ALL of the transitions also. I have not found a way to change all of the duration times (after choosing the Random selection) using the method you describe either, without changing all the transitions to the same one.

 

The only way I have been able to change the duration time (to any duration) of all the transitions and leaving them the same transition, is to change each one individually. Changing a transition duration does not work the same as the options you have for changing all the photos or slides in your production and this is what I assume you thought it would do. If you just look at the option text, one would probably think that.

 

Frank...

 

I didn't put a picture for every step, but this is the process I went through, and the random transitions did not change to one transition, and the transition times were all changed.

[grandpabruce]

How can I use random transitions and change the duration of all? I have tried double clicking on a transition and getting the transition menu, where I change the duration and hit apply to all. All transitions are changed to that transition and duration. I have also tried opening the transition menu and deselecting any particular transition, then adjusting the duration. I then apply to all, emc 9 shuts down. Any suggestions?

 

You lost me here. What are you asking? You already answered your own question on changing the duration on transitions.

 

If you want random transitions, click on the 5th icon from the left, (2 to the right of the scissors) at the top of Production Editor. Random is the 6th one down on the next screen that comes up. Click on it, then click Yes when it asks you if you want all of the transitions in your production replaced.

 

Now, if you want to set the duration of each of those transitions, individually, make sure that you are in Storyline and right click on one of the transitions, select Set Transition Duration, set it to whatever time you want, then click ok.

[REDWAGON]

All true Walt. However the point I'm trying to make is when you change the transition time by using that option and check the box that says to make all the transitions the same, that just doesn't happen. And as I suggested before, IMO, there should be NO integration of the duration times between the photos and the transitions. It appears that is happening though and I for one would like to see a way in the next version that would allow one to have the photo option duration times be one thing and the transition option time be completely separate.

 

To sum it up I guess it's not really clear to everyone that uses the transition duration time option of wanting all the transition times to be the same. When they set the transition time using that option and check the box wanting all the times to be the same, and then they see that the times are not the same, it becomes frustrating to them trying to figure out why not. I am asuming that's why the original poster on this thread had that problem.

 

What's frustrating to me is when I set the transition time say to 3 or 4 sec. for a few transitions that you want to last that long and then on the next transition it goes back to say just over one second.

 

Frank...

[REDWAGON]

Only part of the problem Bruce---What I think the OP is wanting to do is what you suggested, but then instead of using the default duration time, right click on one of the transitions or double click it and the chose the option to change the duration time and then click on the option to apply that new duration to all of the transitions transitions, rather than have to change each one separately.

 

 

 

I have tried both EMC 7.5 and 9 and following what then OP is trying to do, it just doesn't work !! The best I saw in EMC 9 was for some reason every other transition changed to the new time. I also have noticed that even when you use the options correctly, the duration time can only be changed to a maximum of 3+ seconds. I never could get it to go higher. I'm not sure but the duration timing might be associated with the time for the photo or something else, but I doubt it. I'm still trying to accomplish what the OP is trying to do though.

 

 

 

Frank....

[grandpabruce]

Only part of the problem Bruce---What I think the OP is wanting to do is what you suggested, but then instead of using the default duration time, right click on one of the transitions or double click it and the chose the option to change the duration time and then click on the option to apply that new duration to all of the transitions transitions, rather than have to change each one separately.

 

 

 

I have tried both EMC 7.5 and 9 and following what then OP is trying to do, it just doesn't work !! The best I saw in EMC 9 was for some reason every other transition changed to the new time. I also have noticed that even when you use the options correctly, the duration time can only be changed to a maximum of 3+ seconds. I never could get it to go higher. I'm not sure but the duration timing might be associated with the time for the photo or something else, but I doubt it. I'm still trying to accomplish what the OP is trying to do though.

 

 

 

Frank....

 

If the OP wants to change all of them to the same duration, she already figured out how to do that. I just adjusted the time to 3.5 seconds, and it changed all of the transitions to that time.

 

I am beginning to think that she is just asking why VideoWave crashes. Will wait and see.

[bimicher]

All true Walt. However the point I'm trying to make is when you change the transition time by using that option and check the box that says to make all the transitions the same, that just doesn't happen. And as I suggested before, IMO, there should be NO integration of the duration times between the photos and the transitions. It appears that is happening though and I for one would like to see a way in the next version that would allow one to have the photo option duration times be one thing and the transition option time be completely separate.

 

To sum it up I guess it's not really clear to everyone that uses the transition duration time option of wanting all the transition times to be the same. When they set the transition time using that option and check the box wanting all the times to be the same, and then they see that the times are not the same, it becomes frustrating to them trying to figure out why not. I am asuming that's why the original poster on this thread had that problem.

 

What's frustrating to me is when I set the transition time say to 3 or 4 sec. for a few transitions that you want to last that long and then on the next transition it goes back to say just over one second.

 

Frank...

 

Frank, I don't understand what you mean by "there should be NO integration of the duration times between the photos and the transitions. It appears that is happening though and I for one would like to see a way in the next version that would allow one to have the photo option duration times be one thing and the transition option time be completely separate." Do you mean that when you set the photo duration time as 10 secs and the transition time as 2 seconds, then in the final slideshow you still want each photo to last for 10 seconds? if yes, that is not how transitions work. Transitions work by "overlapping" or overlaying resulting a shorter final section. Thus there will be time integration as you call it.

 

As to the problem of the duration time not being applied to all photos, I cannot duplicate that in EMC 7.5. When I set a time and apply it to all transitions, all the transitions are set to my selected time. The only time a duration time is changed is if the duration of a photo on either side of the transition is too short.

[grandpabruce]

All true Walt. However the point I'm trying to make is when you change the transition time by using that option and check the box that says to make all the transitions the same, that just doesn't happen. And as I suggested before, IMO, there should be NO integration of the duration times between the photos and the transitions. It appears that is happening though and I for one would like to see a way in the next version that would allow one to have the photo option duration times be one thing and the transition option time be completely separate.

 

To sum it up I guess it's not really clear to everyone that uses the transition duration time option of wanting all the transition times to be the same. When they set the transition time using that option and check the box wanting all the times to be the same, and then they see that the times are not the same, it becomes frustrating to them trying to figure out why not. I am asuming that's why the original poster on this thread had that problem.

 

What's frustrating to me is when I set the transition time say to 3 or 4 sec. for a few transitions that you want to last that long and then on the next transition it goes back to say just over one second.

 

Frank...

 

Frank, I just opened EMC 7.5 and opened a production I made about a year ago. The production was 240 photos. I right clicked on the first transition, and changed the time from 2 seconds to 2.8 seconds and selected the Apply duration to all transitions. It applied the 2.8 seconds to all of the photos.

 

I did the same thing in EMC 9, and it too, worked. All of the transition times were the same.

 

In my tests, all of the photos were set to the same time duration. I have not tried to adjust individual times of some of the photos to see if their associated transition times change.

[ggrussell]

I'm not sure but the duration timing might be associated with the time for the photo

Of course it is. How can you have a transition that is longer than the duration of the two images? Think about how a transition works. You are not ADDING time to the project, but taking AWAY time from the two images it is between - equal amounts from each image. You are literally overlapping the images (like an audio fadein/out). If you want a longer transition, then you can always increase the image durations.

 

I think the longest transition that I've ever done was 10 seconds, but that was with video. Not still images.