MYDVD vs. VideoWave Quality

[wareagl487]

I have an earlier thread with problems with output quality and crashes - seem to have crashes resolved here. But I did stumble across something I don't understand. It seems the output I am getting from MYMDVD vs. Videowave is of super low quality - VideoWave being much better. I thought at first it may be my camera as I had some issues with it. I tried a test on a couple of super short videos using pre & post camera problem downloads - the burned productions were much better using VideoWave than MYDVD.

 

First question is why?

 

Second questions is if there is no answer for the first, how can I convert the MYDVD productions to VideoWave to get higher quality? Or can I???

 

Thanks

 

Andy W.

 

As a foot note - I llok at the downloaded AVI's and they are crystal clear using Window's Media player. The burned CD's are a 1/10 of the quality.....

[wareagl487]

I have tried EVERYTHING I know to try - get nothing but quality comparable to an Etchosketch drawing. I'm using the same computer, same hard drive, same disc burner as I've had since 7.0 release (with good results -THEN) - and now the quality SUX. View the downloaded AVI's w/WMP and they are crisp. Burn them - look like something off a video phone ???????

 

I've been using (fighting) with Roxio products since release 7 - should have stayed with it as it worked fine. Every release is just more and more and more problems.

 

I'm ready to look toward another video editor even though I have about 200 clams invested on "UPGRADES" - don't make me laugh....

 

Andy W.

[ggrussell]

First, you can't compare V7 to 8&9. Totally different for better or worse. V8 & 9 REQUIRE a better video card because of how it now renders. I have gotten much better quality from V9 than V8 even.

 

What video card do you have? Have you updated the drivers? Have you updated to the latest DirectX 9 (feb 2 2007)?

[BigWI]

Since you did not describe what you did or list any computer specs, etc, its impossible to make any useful suggestions.

 

Sorry I have been out of town for a couple of days.

 

I didn't do a lot, I captured the video via the firewire, edited the video with Videowave. It's a training video so I did simple editing of wasted space, etc. Then I sent it to My DVD added menu and chapters and burned the DVD.

 

After reading this thread, I tired Software and Hardware both with little difference.

 

I have an

HP Pavillion My7100 3 GHz 2mb Ram 160gb internal Hard Drive

Windows XP Media

Built in video on mother board with an Intel chipset

 

Sony TRV310 Digital8 Handy cam

Firewire Capture

 

BTW, How do I check to see what version of DirectX I have?

 

As I said the quaility was pretty good at version 7 and went down quite a bit with version 9.

[GladiatorsFan1]

BTW, How do I check to see what version of DirectX I have?

 

I think you can check your DirectX version by doing the following:

 

Start --> Run

 

type in:

 

dxdiag, then click OK.

 

A large dialog window will appear. Look in the first tab named "System", there will be a second titled "System Information" and a label titled "DirectX Version" should be listed at the bottom.

[BigWI]

Set it up to burn over night with "Software" setting - Checked it real quick this morning before heading off to work and it looks to have burned with good quality! I think I am there.

 

I did not try the ISO way again - but am curious if it would have burned at a better quality set at "Software" this way also.

 

Thanks

 

Andy W.

I am in the same boat as you. I just "upgraded" from version 7 to version 9 and am appalled at the quality of the output.

 

I will print out this thread and try to figure out what you did to improve it.

 

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[malatekid]

I think you can check your DirectX version by doing the following:

 

Start --> Run

 

type in:

 

dxdiag, then click OK.

 

A large dialog window will appear. Look in the first tab named "System", there will be a second titled "System Information" and a label titled "DirectX Version" should be listed at the bottom.

You responded to a post that is almost 3 months old and the poster last visited the forum about 1.5 months ago.

[bimicher]

I am in the same boat as you. I just "upgraded" from version 7 to version 9 and am appalled at the quality of the output.

 

I will print out this thread and try to figure out what you did to improve it.

 

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

 

Since you did not describe what you did or list any computer specs, etc, its impossible to make any useful suggestions.

[ggrussell]

V9 uses the video chipset MUCH differently than previous version. Unfortunately, the Intel on your motherboard doesn't meet requirements for V9. Videowave/MyDVD MUST be set at software for this chipset. For better quality, it is highly recommended to get a dedicated video card with at least 128MB of memory or more.

[wareagl487]

First, you can't compare V7 to 8&9. Totally different for better or worse. V8 & 9 REQUIRE a better video card because of how it now renders. I have gotten much better quality from V9 than V8 even.

 

What video card do you have? Have you updated the drivers? Have you updated to the latest DirectX 9 (feb 2 2007)?

 

This is true in that no comparison - I actually had GREAT output out of V7 - can't get crap out of V9 - or I should say crap is all I get.....

 

I have a Radeon 9800 video card - updated driver. I have updated to the latest DirectX driver, I have done the fix for the 80004003 Error - still crap out.

 

I have burned using "fit to disc" - crap out, I have burned using HQ setting - crap out,

 

What REALLY puzzles me is viewing the downloaded AVI's with WMP - they are crystal clear - 10X better video quality.

 

I have 2 burners - 1 being standard DVD and the other a double layer - crap outon both using a short 60 second test piece. I've used both double layer and standard DVD's in both drives - crap outagain. I now have a trash can full of CD's.

 

Andy W.

[grandpabruce]

This is true in that no comparison - I actually had GREAT output out of V7 - can't get crap out of V9 - or I should say crap is all I get.....

 

I have a Radeon 9800 video card - updated driver. I have updated to the latest DirectX driver, I have done the fix for the 80004003 Error - still crap out.

 

I have burned using "fit to disc" - crap out, I have burned using HQ setting - crap out,

 

What REALLY puzzles me is viewing the downloaded AVI's with WMP - they are crystal clear - 10X better video quality.

 

I have 2 burners - 1 being standard DVD and the other a double layer - crap outon both using a short 60 second test piece. I've used both double layer and standard DVD's in both drives - crap outagain. I now have a trash can full of CD's.

 

Andy W.

 

I have the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro in my backup computer, and my final product is good. At least I can use hardware render with it.

 

With the high end NVidia based video card, in this computer, I can't even use hardware render. The output in software render is good, but slow as molasses, on the shady side of an iceberg, in January.

[wareagl487]

I did have success (YYeeeaaa) earlier today burning a project using the software setting - turned out just fine (except I think I forgot to click 16:9 - but hey take successes where you can). But to test Sknis suggestion I tried the ISO route.......

 

Sorry for jumping in here but I noticed that no one has suggested creating an iso file and then copying that file to a disc and no one has suggested making sure your settings are correct. All bets are off if you are trying to put more than one hour or so on a single layer disc; maybe up to 1:55 or so with loss of quality. Also no menus were included on the final DVD????......

I rendered my project using Hardware setting and got the following screen while burning....

 

 

What struck me funny was the amount of space used on the disc - way less than capacity - but the file size indicate close to 7 Gig. That was born out when once it was finished it looked like crap. I'm wondering if the hardware setting - video card - ain't up to snuff to handle it (drivers updated, updated DirectX, etc..)

 

Now I'm going to try burning to ISO using software setting and see where that gets me......

 

These are the settings I have

 

 

......If the iso looks "like stick figures" post back here.......

 

I didn't have a clue what you were talking about until I started the copy... My God.....Looked like the Robot Dance from the Disco Era.... SLOW is the word... started off O.K. - but then...... Molasses

 

Thanks again for the help....

 

Andy W.

[ggrussell]

I now have a trash can full of CD's.

If you are burning VCD or SVCD, then I would agree with your assessment. Those use VERY LOW resolution and bitrates. Try burning DVD.

[wareagl487]

If you are burning VCD or SVCD, then I would agree with your assessment. Those use VERY LOW resolution and bitrates. Try burning DVD.

 

 

I've been trying both double and single layer DVD's set on HQ and Fit to Disc resolution settings.

 

Andy W.

[wareagl487]

I burned a short piece using software rendering in lieu of hardware - it seemed to be better but not up to previous standards of quality. Do you loose quality using software as opposed to hardware setting?

 

Also I got the infamous 80004003 Error last night again trying to burn a production using software setting....

 

Andy W.

[wareagl487]

Set it up to burn over night with "Software" setting - Checked it real quick this morning before heading off to work and it looks to have burned with good quality! I think I am there.

 

I did not try the ISO way again - but am curious if it would have burned at a better quality set at "Software" this way also.

 

Thanks

 

Andy W.

[grandpabruce]

I burned a short piece using software rendering in lieu of hardware - it seemed to be better but not up to previous standards of quality. Do you loose quality using software as opposed to hardware setting?

 

Also I got the infamous 80004003 Error last night again trying to burn a production using software setting....

 

Andy W.

 

The quality is the same.

[sknis]

I burned a short piece using software rendering in lieu of hardware - it seemed to be better but not up to previous standards of quality. Do you loose quality using software as opposed to hardware setting?

Also I got the infamous 80004003 Error last night again trying to burn a production using software setting....

Andy W.

 

Sorry for jumping in here but I noticed that no one has suggested creating an iso file and then copying that file to a disc and no one has suggested making sure your settings are correct. All bets are off if you are trying to put more than one hour or so on a single layer disc; maybe up to 1:55 or so with loss of quality.

 

In MyDVD, make sure you have selected File>new> DVD (with or without menu). Then go to file>project settings and uncheck fit to disc. This will allow you to set the video to 720 by 480 and 9 bit rate. Now, when you go to burn, de-select burn to disc and burn to folder and select burn to image (iso) file. Let the project encode the iso file. Do not use your computer at this time. Encoding time depends on your computer and the length and complexity of your project. With an older computer, it could take four times or more the length of the project. Once the project is encoded to the iso file, close MyDVD and open Disc Copier. On the left side, navigate to the iso file select it and preview it there. If it is OK, just copy that iso to a blank disc. If the picture is bad on the DVD but not on the iso preview, the disc you are buying are bad or your burner is having a problem.

 

Note that disc copier will make that iso file fit on a disc.

 

If the iso looks "like stick figures" post back here.

 

What is the source of the videos you are using in your project?

[wareagl487]

I have the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro in my backup computer, and my final product is good. At least I can use hardware render with it.

 

With the high end NVidia based video card, in this computer, I can't even use hardware render. The output in software render is good, but slow as molasses, on the shady side of an iceberg, in January.

 

That me me think - it appeared to me that Hardware Render was slower than when I used Software Render on the little test production I did.. ?? Didn't clock it but just appeared to be....

 

Sorry for jumping in here but I noticed that no one has suggested creating an iso file and then copying that file to a disc and no one has suggested making sure your settings are correct. All bets are off if you are trying to put more than one hour or so on a single layer disc; maybe up to 1:55 or so with loss of quality.

 

In MyDVD, make sure you have selected File>new> DVD (with or without menu). Then go to file>project settings and uncheck fit to disc. This will allow you to set the video to 720 by 480 and 9 bit rate. Now, when you go to burn, de-select burn to disc and burn to folder and select burn to image (iso) file. Let the project encode the iso file. Do not use your computer at this time. Encoding time depends on your computer and the length and complexity of your project. With an older computer, it could take four times or more the length of the project. Once the project is encoded to the iso file, close MyDVD and open Disc Copier. On the left side, navigate to the iso file select it and preview it there. If it is OK, just copy that iso to a blank disc. If the picture is bad on the DVD but not on the iso preview, the disc you are buying are bad or your burner is having a problem.

 

Note that disc copier will make that iso file fit on a disc.

 

If the iso looks "like stick figures" post back here.

 

What is the source of the videos you are using in your project?

 

The video source is download from my Sony video camera mini tape using fire wire connection.

 

I produced a production a while back using V7.5 and the same set up I have now and it came out great with good video quality.

 

From what I remember, (I'm at work now) is my Project setting screen pretty much is the same as your's posted - with the exceptions I have 16:9 checked and I don't remember what is listed in the Project Type.

 

The video production I am attempting to burn is +/- 1 hour 45 minutes burning to a double layer DVD.

 

I haven't ever tried the ISO option - but it sounds MUCH better than wasting $2 DVD's just to trash.

 

Thanks for all the help guys.

 

Andy W.