Problems Outputting to DV Camera, render issue?

[ILUVAWNINGS]

While in Videowave, I'm trying to output my edited production to DV Camera. With my Sony Digital 8 camera hooked up via firewire, I click Creat Video File. The Render window opens and it stops while "Normalizing Audio" at 19%. I tried this a couple of weeks ago and the same thing happened -- it stopped at 19%. What's up?

[ggrussell]

You shouldn't be having trouble with the FX5200. I had one with V8 and it worked fine ad I think others here use it with V9 just fine. Even if you OUTPUT TO FILE and not send it to the camcorder, you would still have the same problem. Sounds like a render problem and nothing to do with sending to the camcorder. Try the original project and TURN OFF 'normalize audio'. This will narrow down the cause to audio or video problem.

 

Have you updated your audio drivers?

[ILUVAWNINGS]

I FINALLY resolved this problem after months of going back and forth with tech support, having the issue bumped up to Tier 2 of tech support, back down again, and then back up to Tier 2. Whatever Tier 2 is, they never gave me the fix. I ended up doing a work-a-round.

 

There must have been some weird glitch with this particular file, and it was near the beginning of the production. I was never able to output a DV AVI. So, I output it as an MPEG. That worked, but the quality was not as good as DV AVI, and I wanted it to look the best for archiving purposes. (I do actually give some credit to tech support for suggesting the MPEG output.)

 

I then deleted the first minute or so of my Roxio Production, hoping to eliminate the issue (audio? text effect? overlay?) that kept giving me the render error. I selected that same first minute as a trimmed clip, but from the MPEG output version. I then was able to output the entire production to DV AVI and transfer to my Digi 8 camcorder.

[ggrussell]

You're not giving very much information. Best thing to do is see where it stops TIME wise and then look at the project timeline at that spot. Could be something you edited like an overlay, transition or effect. What type of audio file did you add?

[bimicher]

I FINALLY resolved this problem after months of going back and forth with tech support, having the issue bumped up to Tier 2 of tech support, back down again, and then back up to Tier 2. Whatever Tier 2 is, they never gave me the fix. I ended up doing a work-a-round.

 

There must have been some weird glitch with this particular file, and it was near the beginning of the production. I was never able to output a DV AVI. So, I output it as an MPEG. That worked, but the quality was not as good as DV AVI, and I wanted it to look the best for archiving purposes. (I do actually give some credit to tech support for suggesting the MPEG output.)

 

I then deleted the first minute or so of my Roxio Production, hoping to eliminate the issue (audio? text effect? overlay?) that kept giving me the render error. I selected that same first minute as a trimmed clip, but from the MPEG output version. I then was able to output the entire production to DV AVI and transfer to my Digi 8 camcorder.

 

You may have done this but I don't have the time to read all the old post.

Why didn't you try removing the audio/text/overlay that you added to see which one is giving the problem instead of deleting the first minute?

[ILUVAWNINGS]

I tried it again. It apparently doesn't even start rendering. It stops while trying to Normalize Audio, and always at the 19% point. The time reads 0 minute.

 

I then unchecked Normalize Audio and tried again. I got an Error message: Unable to Build The Render Graph

 

I have created DVDs from this exact Roxio production, with no problems. There are a number of sound effects, music, edited native audio, transitions, etc., but would that be causing this problem?

 

 

 

You're not giving very much information. Best thing to do is see where it stops TIME wise and then look at the project timeline at that spot. Could be something you edited like an overlay, transition or effect. What type of audio file did you add?

[ILUVAWNINGS]

What is "the graphics test"? Would love to know.

 

I went to the Microsoft site and updated DirectX. I rebooted. Tried to ouptput again, but experienced the same problem. It stops at 19% in the render window while normalizing audio.

 

My video card is NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200. I had a problem a couple of months ago in Video Wave that was corrected when I updated drivers.

 

I went to the NVIDIA site again this evening, and was confused when I didn't find the GeForce 5200 listed in the driver update window. I searched the Knowledge Base and found instructions to use 93.71 forceware dated 11/2/06. This was the same driver update file I used before. Still, I figured I'd download it again and install again. During the installation wizard, I got a prompt saying the drivers I was about to install were older than the ones already installed. So I stopped the update.

 

Any other ideas?

 

 

 

 

 

Is usually a video card problem. Have you done the graphics test? Did the 'dot' stay on Software, but you forced it to 'hardware'? This error can occur when you do that.

 

Make sure you have the latest video card driver and the latest DirectX 9 update (feb 2007).

[malatekid]

What is "the graphics test"? Would love to know.

In Videowave, select Tools>Options in the menu.

[ILUVAWNINGS]

In Videowave, select Tools>Options in the menu.

 

 

 

Okay. Thanks. So, I confirmed that the HARDWARE option is selected. Also, I tried both tests for Hardware and Software. A black box zoomed in an out for a few seconds and some numbers flashed. Can I assume I passed these "tests"?

[ggrussell]

There is no pass or fail. It's where the 'dot' ends up after the test. If it stays on 'hardware', then your card should be able to handle the 3D transitions and effects.

[malatekid]

Okay. Thanks. So, I confirmed that the HARDWARE option is selected. Also, I tried both tests for Hardware and Software. A black box zoomed in an out for a few seconds and some numbers flashed. Can I assume I passed these "tests"?

Let me just just verify that you clicked the Graphics test button and the Hardware option was selected, right? Now what do you mean by "I tried both tests for Hardware and Software"?

 

Regarding the black box, I never came across that and never read any post reporting that phenomenon. I cannot offer any explanation on that one.

[ggrussell]

"Unable to Build The Render Graph"

Is usually a video card problem. Have you done the graphics test? Did the 'dot' stay on Software, but you forced it to 'hardware'? This error can occur when you do that.

 

Make sure you have the latest video card driver and the latest DirectX 9 update (feb 2007).

[ILUVAWNINGS]

You may have done this but I don't have the time to read all the old post.

Why didn't you try removing the audio/text/overlay that you added to see which one is giving the problem instead of deleting the first minute?

 

 

There are probably a dozen text/overlays in the first minute. I guess I could have done what you said, but it would have taken a long time to conduct this process of elimination analysis. At the end, if I discovered a particular overlay or combination of text/overlays was the problem, then I suppose I'd just have to get rid of it, right? Well, this way I get to keep what my original creative work was.

 

Why would one of the text/overlays be causing such a problem anyway? During all my conversations with tech support over this issue, and I have had many, no one proposed the idea that it was a single text or overlay element causing the problem.

[ILUVAWNINGS]

I tried turning off NORMALIZE AUDIO. Same error messages. No luck.

 

I checked my SB Audigy 2 drivers, even reinstalling the latest ones again, and rebooting. Same error messages.

 

This is getting very frustrating.

 

Can I just save the whole Video Wave project to my hard drive as a DV AVI file and then try outputting that file via Windows Movie Maker? I've had to go to Windows Movie Maker for other things recently that I couldn't work around with Roxio. Too bad I can't do it all with this software. I spend far too much time browsing these boards.

 

 

 

 

You shouldn't be having trouble with the FX5200. I had one with V8 and it worked fine ad I think others here use it with V9 just fine. Even if you OUTPUT TO FILE and not send it to the camcorder, you would still have the same problem. Sounds like a render problem and nothing to do with sending to the camcorder. Try the original project and TURN OFF 'normalize audio'. This will narrow down the cause to audio or video problem.

 

Have you updated your audio drivers?

[ggrussell]

Yes, you should be able to do that, but like I stated earlier, if it is a render problem, the error should still occur. But wouldn't hurt to try.

[ILUVAWNINGS]

Let me just just verify that you clicked the Graphics test button and the Hardware option was selected, right? Now what do you mean by "I tried both tests for Hardware and Software"?

 

Regarding the black box, I never came across that and never read any post reporting that phenomenon. I cannot offer any explanation on that one.

 

 

I meant that I clicked Hardware and then "test" or "run test" or whatever it says, and then I clicked Software and clicked the same thing. In both cases, after the black box graphic did its thing, the button remained in the position it started in. I deduce from this that I am able to render as needed with my Hardware (i.e., NVIDIA graphic card.)

 

Here's the latest -- I tried rendering an alternate Video Wave project file. This one was 55 minutes of video, but with NO transitions, sound effects, or overlays. I did not NORMALIZE AUDIO. And guess what? It rendered fine (even though it took about two hours) and then I was able to output to my DV Camera (Sony Digital 8 Camcorder).

 

This leads me to believe that it is indeed the transitions and other effects that are hanging this up. Is there a work around for this?

 

Bottom line -- I want to get a backup copy of my edited production, uncompressed, on tape. How can I do this via Firewire w/out losing any quality, other than the output option in Videowave?