PAL standard in CineMagic

[Old Ranter]

I'm trying to use Cinemagic to produce a video with PAL standard frame rate of 25fps. I call it from VideoWave which has the correct setup, but Cinemagic always seems to produce an output with the NTSC standard frame rate of 30fps. Is there some way to change this?

[Old Ranter]

CineMagic was designed that way. It is primarily designed to give an effect or mood to go along with the theme of the video and music you choose.

 

I like to use it to create a "prelude" or preview video that I add as the Introductory Video that plays when the disc is inserted in the player. It gives people an idea of what they will be seeing. I keep it to about one or two minutes or less because if it is longer people get the impression that they saw it all before.

Worth a try, though I haven't got that far with DVD production. I'll go with the basic advice, which is not to use CineMagic in projects. Thanks for all the answers.

[sknis]

I'm trying to use Cinemagic to produce a video with PAL standard frame rate of 25fps. I call it from VideoWave which has the correct setup, but Cinemagic always seems to produce an output with the NTSC standard frame rate of 30fps. Is there some way to change this?

 

This is from the help files:

 

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Purpose In the drop-down list, select the option that matches how you want to use the production. Then choose the video standard you want to use for the output file:

NTSC: Select this if you want your project recorded to the NTSC (National Television Systems Committee) video standard. This is the standard used for broadcast television in the U.S., with a resolution of 525 horizontal lines at 29.97 frames per second. The NTSC templates are displayed in the drop-down list. When you choose a template, a brief description appearsPA

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PAL : Select this if you want your production recorded to the (Phase Alternate Line) video standard. This is the standard used for broadcast television in much of Europe and Asia, with a resolution of 768 pixels X 576 horizontal lines at 25 frames per second. The templates are displayed in the drop-down list. When you choose a template, a brief description is appears.

 

 

Both: Select this if you display both the NTSC and the settings templates in the drop-down list. When you choose a template, a brief description is appears

 

 

Don't know if you tried this or not. I don't remember anyone else posting the issue.

[Old Ranter]

This is from the help files:

 

Save & Share

Purpose In the drop-down list, select the option that matches how you want to use the production. Then choose the video standard you want to use for the output file:

NTSC: Select this if you want your project recorded to the NTSC (National Television Systems Committee) video standard. This is the standard used for broadcast television in the U.S., with a resolution of 525 horizontal lines at 29.97 frames per second. The NTSC templates are displayed in the drop-down list. When you choose a template, a brief description appearsPA

L

PAL : Select this if you want your production recorded to the (Phase Alternate Line) video standard. This is the standard used for broadcast television in much of Europe and Asia, with a resolution of 768 pixels X 576 horizontal lines at 25 frames per second. The templates are displayed in the drop-down list. When you choose a template, a brief description is appears.

Both: Select this if you display both the NTSC and the settings templates in the drop-down list. When you choose a template, a brief description is appears

Don't know if you tried this or not. I don't remember anyone else posting the issue.

 

Thanks for the reply. However, I think I may not have explained very well. What I am trying to create is a .dmsm file in CineMagic 9 which I can then transfer back to VideoWave for futher editing. When I tried this, the file was formatted as NTSC at 29.97 fps even though the settings in VideoWave were for PAL at 25 fps. I cannot find any way to change this in CineMagic. When you bring the .dmsm file back to VideoWave and select Production settings from the File menu, the frame rate shows as 29.97 and is greyed out because, of course, it can't be changed at that stage.

 

When I add the video clips in CineMagic, as they are currently 25 fps, some frames are repeated to generate a file at 29.97 fps. Then, when I want to produce a finished film, because I want to use the PAL standard at 25 fps, some frames are dropped. Unfortunately, the dropped frames are not the same ones that were added originally, so you get a poorer quality final production. If I could change a CineMagic setting for frame rate to 25 fps before beginning, this would not happen.

[sknis]

Thanks for the reply. However, I think I may not have explained very well. What I am trying to create is a .dmsm file in CineMagic 9 which I can then transfer back to VideoWave for futher editing. When I tried this, the file was formatted as NTSC at 29.97 fps even though the settings in VideoWave were for PAL at 25 fps. I cannot find any way to change this in CineMagic. When you bring the .dmsm file back to VideoWave and select Production settings from the File menu, the frame rate shows as 29.97 and is greyed out because, of course, it can't be changed at that stage.

 

When I add the video clips in CineMagic, as they are currently 25 fps, some frames are repeated to generate a file at 29.97 fps. Then, when I want to produce a finished film, because I want to use the PAL standard at 25 fps, some frames are dropped. Unfortunately, the dropped frames are not the same ones that were added originally, so you get a poorer quality final production. If I could change a CineMagic setting for frame rate to 25 fps before beginning, this would not happen.

 

I see what you mean. I don't know of any way of doing it. If you save the dmsm file, you have no options. If you output to a file, you have the options to select PAL. How much editing do you need to do to the video file you create in CineMagic?

 

Have you considered using Media Manager to create scenes of the video and then just select the scenes you want to add to Video Wave? This would be almost as easy as using CineMagic.

 

I don't think many experienced people use CineMagic because of its limitations. This is the first time someone has mentioned your particular issue. Perhaps Roxio will see what can be done in future releases or someone with PAL video can play around and come up with a work around.

[Old Ranter]

The dropped frames are of concern however it doesn't matter one hoot what format the files are in until you burn!

 

You can have mpg, mov, wmp, vob, avi, etc. all mixed in a project. Only when you burn are they converted to project output, NTSC or PAL.

 

The progression of editing should be VideoWave, save, then add the VW project into MyDVD. Bouncing back and forth between CineMagic and VW is not the way to travel.

I have to agree with this, having just realised that CineMagic removes the native soundtrack as well...........

[Old Ranter]

I see what you mean. I don't know of any way of doing it. If you save the dmsm file, you have no options. If you output to a file, you have the options to select PAL. How much editing do you need to do to the video file you create in CineMagic?

 

Have you considered using Media Manager to create scenes of the video and then just select the scenes you want to add to Video Wave? This would be almost as easy as using CineMagic.

 

I don't think many experienced people use CineMagic because of its limitations. This is the first time someone has mentioned your particular issue. Perhaps Roxio will see what can be done in future releases or someone with PAL video can play around and come up with a work around.

 

Thanks for the tip. We usually do quite a bit of editing after CineMagic. I suppose it's just easier to have a starting point. I'll try Media Manager as you suggest.

[james_hardin]

The dropped frames are of concern however it doesn't matter one hoot what format the files are in until you burn!

 

You can have mpg, mov, wmp, vob, avi, etc. all mixed in a project. Only when you burn are they converted to project output, NTSC or PAL.

 

The progression of editing should be VideoWave, save, then add the VW project into MyDVD. Bouncing back and forth between CineMagic and VW is not the way to travel.

[sknis]

I have to agree with this, having just realised that CineMagic removes the native soundtrack as well...........

 

CineMagic was designed that way. It is primarily designed to give an effect or mood to go along with the theme of the video and music you choose.

 

I like to use it to create a "prelude" or preview video that I add as the Introductory Video that plays when the disc is inserted in the player. It gives people an idea of what they will be seeing. I keep it to about one or two minutes or less because if it is longer people get the impression that they saw it all before.