lynn98109 Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 After collecting some 1,800 new product and service ideas from IT users and customers using an online "suggestion box," Dell Inc. has announced that it's taking the user suggestions seriously and will soon debut and sell a new line of certified, user-ready Linux-loaded desktop and laptop computers. The Dell IdeaStorm Web site, where customers and other IT enthusiasts can offer recommendations about future Dell products and configurations that they'd want to buy, was started on Feb. 16 by CEO Michael Dell, who is looking for ways to re-energize the company's sales and financial performance after several disappointing quarters. Full story on pcworld.com - http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,129363-c...ux/article.html Um, Roxio doesn't work on Linux, does it? Lynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gi7omy Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Problem is Lynn that this was tried before by one of the big name box shifters - MS' response was on the lines of 'if you don't stop doing that, we'll pull your distribution license' - result was the idea got quietly shelved Roxio on Linux - I have got it installed (in VMWare under doze 98) Just to see if it could be done but that's the only way (running doze in a virtual machine) I do wish they'd port Toast - after all, OS X is just a fancy api on a Free BSD system (that N* thing is available for Linux which sort of annoys me a shade) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrussell Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Problem is Lynn that this was tried before by one of the big name box shifters - MS' response was on the lines of 'if you don't stop doing that, we'll pull your distribution license' - result was the idea got quietly shelvedThat may be true, but NOT by DELL which sells a lot more PCs than anyone else. Would MS really want to *^$$ off the largest PC distributor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gi7omy Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Hard to say what they'd do Gary really - boils down to Joe Public in the end and if 90% of them want doze, Dell would knuckle under fairly fast (once they found they couldn't shift boxes without MS) That's what happened the last time. Add in Ballmer's threat to sue Linux over software patents and the prospect dims a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDWAGON Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I kind of have to agree with Daithi, Gary. Dell would be in deep doo doo if they had MS on their back about anything. And they wouldn't last to long as one of the largest sellers of Computers without the MS operating systems. Frank... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn98109 Posted February 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I think it may be other-way around, Frank. MS may not be able to get along without Dell as well as the reverse now that Vista is here. I don't think Vista is going to be that great a seller, since it will take more computer than low-end customers want to buy. So if Dell is the only one offering low-end computers (with Linux), that could put Dell in a very nice position - and Microsoft can take it or leave it. Lynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gi7omy Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Problem is Lynne is MS are starting up another FUD campaign - more here "...In comments confirming the open-source community's suspicions, Microsoft Corp. CEO Steve Ballmer today declared his belief that the Linux operating system infringes on Microsoft's intellectual property..." So people will start to worry if using Linux will leave them open to legal action. I doubt if it will amount to much (they've tried it before) but this time both Sun and IBM are willing to go head to head with MS in any court case (but that is being obscured - you really have to hunt to find info on that). In the meantime, MS will continue to lean on the box shifters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn98109 Posted February 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 The bigger they come, the harder they fall - ask IBM Lynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gi7omy Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 IBM is willing to dive in on that Lynne - also this one "...When asked how many bullets Sun could take, McNealy said the company had $7.4bn in the bank, strong growth and an "IP war chest" that "scares a lot of companies away". McNealy did not rule out a patent war, but was confident of Sun's position should one occur...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn98109 Posted February 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 BTW, Daithi - it's Lynn. That's what it says on the Birth Certificate, and that's what I go by. Lynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gi7omy Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 BTW, Daithi - it's Lynn. That's what it says on the Birth Certificate, and that's what I go by. Lynn eee by gum (as they say in Yorkshire) Sorry - blame my chronic typoes. My late mother did try to teach me to touch type and gave up as a bad job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn98109 Posted February 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 eee by gum (as they say in Yorkshire) Sorry - blame my chronic typoes. My late mother did try to teach me to touch type and gave up as a bad job Yes, you have said before you type fluent typonese Lynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golinux Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 For the heck of it, I gave Dell a call to ask several questions: 1. Can I get a Dell with XP? A. No, MS won't let us do it but he said he got a LOT of requests for it. 2. Can I get a Dell without an OS? A. Yes, an OptiPlex but it would cost about as much as with an OS. 3. Linux? A. Yes, but only the Novell SUSe variety (no Ubuntu). Looks like my next box will be another custom job . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerman Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 For the heck of it, I gave Dell a call to ask several questions: 1. Can I get a Dell with XP? A. No, MS won't let us do it but he said he got a LOT of requests for it. 2. Can I get a Dell without an OS? A. Yes, an OptiPlex but it would cost about as much as with an OS. 3. Linux? A. Yes, but only the Novell.SUSe variety (no Ubuntu). Looks like my next box will be another custom job . . . So Dell will not sell a system with no OS? That sucks. In November of 2005, I purchased a server from Dell to replace one lost in a hurricane. Since I saved my original MS Small Business Server, I asked Dell to send me the server sans OS which they did (for not much of a discount mind you) but they didn't seem to care. But the Optiplex is a business system for the most part and I think that's why they'll sell without one. I guess this is progress huh? You could always get an OEM copy of XP and just wipe the drive. Custom jobs can get pricey too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gi7omy Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 . Linux? A. Yes, but only the Novell.SUSe variety (no Ubuntu). Looks like my next box will be another custom job . . . Guess who MS went into partnership with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golinux Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Guess who MS went into partnership with? Yup. That was the point of my question/post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDWAGON Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 "I think it may be other-way around, Frank. MS may not be able to get along without Dell as well as the reverse now that Vista is here" The reason I suggested that Lynn was even though Dell may be one huge supplier of computers, they are just a few compared to all of the computers in the world that are not Dell, and that are running MS operating systems. And that doesn't consider all the who know how many that are custom built too. That's what makes MS so dag gum huge and at this time almost imposible to topple. IBM did a nose dive with home computers only because A guy named Gates came along with a system to run the darn things. And he was also smart enough not to sell it to IBM, as much as they tried to get it from him. I can agree that Vista will take a while to get settled in but I'm suggesting that one year from now, most of the better computers and users will be running Vista. And all the hype will be long gone. Frank... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrussell Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 ...most of the better computers and users will be running Vista. Perhaps most of the HOME users ill be using Vista, but i seriously doubt you can include large businesses. Large businesses still haven't rolled out WinXP. My nephew works for a Fortune 500 biotech company and they still use Win2K. They are also testing iMac laptops in some regions which indicates they maybe thinking of switching. I think you need to go back an reread computer history. IBM didn't take a dive because Bill Gates came up with Windows. IBM took a dive when they opened the PC specs so anyone could build one. It made it possible for cheaper computers, but IBM just couldn't compete with that. IBM could have been like Apple and kept the specs to themselves. Bill Gates also screwed over IBM with OS/2. But back to the subject - DELL is the largest manufacturer and distributor of Windows IN THE USA. I still doubt that Microsoft would want to screw with that relationship. It will be interesting to see what happens and only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn98109 Posted February 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 I agree businesses aren't going to move in any great hurry. Most of the ones we're getting in at interconnection.org [for refurbishing] from places that have upgraded have Win98, WinNT, and Win2000. I think places like libraries, schools, government, and no doubt private businesses have upgraded to WinXP while it was still available and after it had been thuroly debugged. The general run of specs seems to have gone up from PIII 550MHz, 128MB to PIII 900MHz, 256MB. Often the original organization keeps the Hard Drive, so I can't say what they may have been. They mostly have CD-ROM. If they are upgrading that spec on whatever they are replacing these with, I would suspect to CD-RW - NOT DVD-ROM [recommended minimum for Vista]. Yes, Vista CAN run on that, but you get less performance than with WinXP and will cost big bucks. Lynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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