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Roxann (sis)

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I bought some Sony DVD+R AccuCORE Blue-ray Disc for recording video DVD from EMC 8, video wave>MYDVD. I didn't realize I had purchased Blu-ray, but my question, will Blu-ray disc read and/or write in any DVD Burner?

 

I have a new external Sony DRX-830U and want to purchase a new internal, either Plexor or Pioneer (not sure which model I need, but read they are the best work horses).

Thanks.

 

Media Information

Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO

Media code/Manufacturer ID SONY D21

Media Product Revision Number 00h

Format Capacity Blank Disc

Free Blocks 405405696

Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.70GB)

Book Type DVD+R

Media Type DVD+R

Manufacturer Rated Speed 16.0x 22160KBp

Available Write Descriptor CLV 16.0x 22160KBps

Available Write Descriptor CLV 12.0x 16620KBps

Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps

Available Write Descriptor CLV 6.0x 8310KBps

Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps

Linear Density Blank Disc

Track Density Unknown

Number of Layers 1

 

Complete Media Code

00000000 01 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3F .............&.?

00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 07 53 4F 4E 59 00 00 00 00 44 .......SONY....D

00000020 32 31 00 38 23 54 37 14 00 28 6E 00 80 69 17 19 21.8#T7..(n..i..

00000030 0C 0C 0A 0B 01 19 1B 0B 0B 0E 0F 01 00 00 00 00 ................

 

Hardware Info:

AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3500+ 2200MHz

Bus speed:200MHz

Motherboard: MICRO-STAR MS-7184

System: Gateway T6524

BIOS: Phoenix 6.00 PG

Memory 1024 MB (129ns)

Sound: Realtek AC97 Audio

Video: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440-SE

Windows XP Media Center 2005

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The earliest Version to support Blu-ray is EMC 9

http://kb.roxio.com/content/kb/DVDit/000052GN

 

Also, it takes an entirely different laser setup to burn Blu-ray than for regular DVD OR for HD-DVD.

 

I think you need to either upgrade your software and hardware, or get some discs that are compatible with what you have.

 

You seem to be getting a crash-course in current DVD technology :huh: j

 

Also - unless the customer has a Blu-ray Disc player (approx $1000), they won't be able to play it.

 

There's a combination Blu-ray Disc / HD-DVD player for $1200, but in the review I read it wasn't recommended except to dediated videophiles.

 

Lynn

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Video: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440-SE

 

Roxann (sis),

I googled your Video card, I come up with this.

( API support

Complete DirectX

support, including DirectX 8.1

Full OpenGL R 1.3 support)

http://www.prolink-usa.com/english/product...-mx440-64p.html

 

Emc 8 & 9 system requirements are a direct x 9 card.

 

"will Blu-ray disc read and/or write in any DVD Burner?"

 

NO, open DVDInfoPro and look at the read, write for your drive, the ones with the check marks are what your drive will do.

 

The "Media Information" above, are they what your using for single layer DVD's? They look like a good disc. Look close around the center hole of the disc, do you see any #'s if so what?

 

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Thanks for taking all this time for me.

Somewhere along the line, I think I've upgraded to DirectX9. I have Media Center11 & it seems to me I upgraded then.

 

Around the center of the Blu-ray: DRb2cc0001 and then farther to the right of those, there's either an SL or LS, not sure.

 

My Sony DRX-830U drive in Roxio info (wish I could paste info here)

Read: Checks: 1st column 1st 4 boxes; 2nd all boxes; 3rd 1st 2 boxes

Write: Checks: 1st column 1st 2, skip1, next 2, skip1, next 1 (total 5)

2nd column skip 1st 2, next 5 checked; 3rd column 1st 3 checked, skip next 2, last 2 checked

Drive Gen Features: 1st column 1st checked, skip 3, last 2 checked; 2nd column all checked; 3rd column skip 1st 2, last 4 checked.

 

Drive Info: Extra Info Nov07, 2006; Ser: DRU; Firmware Rev: SS23; Buffer: 2048kb; Vol lev:256; Connect:USB; Drive Interface:ATAPI-3; Region Code: unset; Region Control: RPC-2; User changes left:5; Vendor changes left:4 I guess that's it.

 

Do you think I should return the Blu-ray disc (purhcased 50 for $12.95 at Staples) but if I can't use them or customers can't play them, then they were expensive!

Again, I want to thank you for all your time.

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Staples return policy -

http://www.staples.com/sbd/content/help/us...rns_policy.html

 

"Simply return your purchase in saleable condition with the original packaging, including Universal Product Code (UPC), manuals, parts, and your receipt or packing slip."

 

I'm not sure that an OPENED package is considered saleable.

 

The only time I've ever returned optical discs (CD-Rs), the package was unopened - I'd found it cheaper elsewhere in under 7 days.

 

Don't know how well Blu-ray Discs will hold up over time; otherwise you might hang onto them for when you DO get a Blu-ray burner.

 

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Thanks for taking all this time for me.

Somewhere along the line, I think I've upgraded to DirectX9. I have Media Center11 & it seems to me I upgraded then.

 

Around the center of the Blu-ray: DRb2cc0001 and then farther to the right of those, there's either an SL or LS, not sure.

 

My Sony DRX-830U drive in Roxio info (wish I could paste info here)

Read: Checks: 1st column 1st 4 boxes; 2nd all boxes; 3rd 1st 2 boxes

Write: Checks: 1st column 1st 2, skip1, next 2, skip1, next 1 (total 5)

2nd column skip 1st 2, next 5 checked; 3rd column 1st 3 checked, skip next 2, last 2 checked

Drive Gen Features: 1st column 1st checked, skip 3, last 2 checked; 2nd column all checked; 3rd column skip 1st 2, last 4 checked.

 

Drive Info: Extra Info Nov07, 2006; Ser: DRU; Firmware Rev: SS23; Buffer: 2048kb; Vol lev:256; Connect:USB; Drive Interface:ATAPI-3; Region Code: unset; Region Control: RPC-2; User changes left:5; Vendor changes left:4 I guess that's it.

 

Do you think I should return the Blu-ray disc (purhcased 50 for $12.95 at Staples) but if I can't use them or customers can't play them, then they were expensive!

Again, I want to thank you for all your time.

 

Are you sure that they are Blu-ray discs? That price doesn't sound right. I thought that they were much more expensive.

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Are you sure that they are Blu-ray discs? That price doesn't sound right. I thought that they were much more expensive.

Good point, Bruce (and Jess) - looking at Staples DVD+R prices, I'd say that's an extremely good price for a 50-pack of DVD+R - or even for a 25-pack.

 

Also, Blu-ray is neither plus nor dash - it's Blu-ray.

 

I think another look at the type and brand of disc might be due.

 

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Do you think I should return the Blu-ray disc (purhcased 50 for $12.95 at Staples)

 

Roxann (sis),

they aren't Blue-ray disc's at that price and quanity! Put one in DVDinfo Pro and post the info like before. They have to be Sony branded single layer + - R DVD disc's.

 

Drive information

Click on the Drive Information button to display information about a selected drive. Once the drive has been scanned, the drive information window is displayed. A check mark appears next to each feature supported by the drive. Additional drive information is listed on the right side of the window.

 

Drive Information window

 

Drive supported features

The section titled Drive-Supported Read Features lists disc formats the drive is capable of reading. The section titled Drive-Supported Write Features lists disc formats the drive can write data to.

 

Media Information

Click on the Media Information button to display information about the media in the selected drive. The information presented will vary based on the type of disc being scanned.

 

Media Information display

 

Understanding speed data

For some discs the Media Information display will include speed ratings. They may include:

 

Media Code Speed. This media speed rating is determined by comparing the loaded media id code against an internal database of known codes and speeds.

Write Strategy Speed. This media speed rating is determined by examining the data on the media looking for write strategies specific to certain media speeds.

Current Drive Speed. If a media is currently loaded, and it is a media the drive can write to, the speed rating is that returned by the drive for maximum speed. If no media is loaded, then the speed rating is that returned by the drive for its current speed setting.

These speed ratings allow you to determine the true media speed and the speed seen by the drive.

 

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She actually might have Blu-Ray DVDs if her description is accurate "Sony DVD+R AccuCORE Blue-ray". If she does, she got a heck of a deal.

 

It's backward compatable, so she could technically use them with her drive.

 

Here's what Sony says about those DVDs.

 

 

"Blu-ray Disc™ Media

Blu-ray Disc™ media is the next-generation optical disc format specially designed to support HD applications. The name comes from the use of a blue-violet laser that burns data to the disc, allowing data to be packed more tightly and stored in less space.

 

There are three types of Blu-ray discs available: BD Dual Layer, BD Recordable, and BD Rewriteable. All three formats are ideal for HD video recording, massive hard disk drive backups, and large multimedia files. Blue-ray Disc™ technology uses Sony AccuCORE™ technology, which has a 72 Mbps data transfer rate and disc capacity of 50 GB for the BD Dual Layer and slightly lower storage space -- 25 GB -- for the BD Recordable and BD Rewriteable formats.

 

Blu-ray Disc ™ media is backwards compatible with your DVD and CD hardware. "

 

Read more here: http://www.sony101.com/briefs/viewBrief.js...p;courseId=9733

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She actually might have Blu-Ray DVDs if her description is accurate "Sony DVD+R AccuCORE Blue-ray". If she does, she got a heck of a deal.

 

It's backward compatable, so she could technically use them with her drive.

 

Here's what Sony says about those DVDs.

"Blu-ray Disc™ Media

Blu-ray Disc™ media is the next-generation optical disc format specially designed to support HD applications. The name comes from the use of a blue-violet laser that burns data to the disc, allowing data to be packed more tightly and stored in less space.

 

There are three types of Blu-ray discs available: BD Dual Layer, BD Recordable, and BD Rewriteable. All three formats are ideal for HD video recording, massive hard disk drive backups, and large multimedia files. Blue-ray Disc™ technology uses Sony AccuCORE™ technology, which has a 72 Mbps data transfer rate and disc capacity of 50 GB for the BD Dual Layer and slightly lower storage space -- 25 GB -- for the BD Recordable and BD Rewriteable formats.

 

Blu-ray Disc ™ media is backwards compatible with your DVD and CD hardware. "

 

Read more here: http://www.sony101.com/briefs/viewBrief.js...p;courseId=9733

 

That 50 pack would be closer to $1,000 than $25.

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That 50 pack would be closer to $1,000 than $25.

 

Unless the UPC code was scanned incorrectly into the store's computer data base.

 

Her description of the DVDs as "Sony DVD+R AccuCORE Blue-ray Disc" in the first post is pretty specific.

 

I did say she might have gotten a heck of a deal. :D

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Unless the UPC code was scanned incorrectly into the store's computer data base.

 

Her description of the DVDs as "Sony DVD+R AccuCORE Blue-ray Disc" in the first post is pretty specific.

 

I did say she might have gotten a heck of a deal. :D

A few more trips to that store to get more at that price and then a posting on e-bay might pay for a nice little treat (or a new coputer). :D

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A few more trips to that store to get more at that price and then a posting on e-bay might pay for a nice little treat (or a new coputer). :D

 

I find it hard to believe that the Blu-Rays would come in a 50 pack spindle, but if they did, I would take them back to the store and let them know of the mistake they made.

 

I really am that way, even though I am somewhat surly, sometimes. :)

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I find it hard to believe that the Blu-Rays would come in a 50 pack spindle, but if they did, I would take them back to the store and let them know of the mistake they made.

 

I really am that way, even though I am somewhat surly, sometimes. :)

Of course I was just kidding with my last post. Twice that I can remember I tried to convince people they made a mistake. Once was a travel agent who credited me with a refund on tickets that were not billed to me in the first place. The second time it was with Office Max when I ordered two office chairs and when I went to pick them up and pay for them, they claimed that they would not have ordered them without up front payment. I could not convince them that I hadn't. I still expect a bill even though the chairs were three years ago and the airline tickets was over 30 ! :rolleyes:

 

Does anyone have blu-ray in cake boxes/? I saw 5 for $100 but nothing in larger amounts per package.

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Blu-ray Disc ™ media is backwards compatible with your DVD and CD hardware. "

 

 

ml, I will guarantee her Nec 3540A and her Sony 830U will not be backwards compatible with Blue-ray disc's!

 

Staples is selling Sony Accucore 1-16x DVD-R/+R for $14.99 a spindle this week!

 

"Will Blu-ray be backwards compatible with DVD?

 

 

Yes, several leading consumer electronics companies (including Sony, Panasonic, Philips, Samsung, Pioneer, Sharp and LG) have already demonstrated products that can read/write CDs, DVDs and Blu-ray discs using a BD/DVD/CD compatible optical head, so you don't have to worry about your existing DVD collection becoming obsolete. In fact, most of the Blu-ray players coming out will support upscaling of DVDs to 1080p/1080i, so your existing DVD collection will look even better than before. While it's up to each manufacturer to decide if they want to make their products backwards compatible with DVD, the format is far too popular to not be supported. The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) expects every Blu-ray Disc device to be backward compatible with DVDs. "

 

 

Have we cleared that up?

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Staples is selling Sony Accucore 1-16x DVD-R/+R for $14.99 a spindle this week!

 

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Do you have the link for that sale? I did not find it in Staples at my area.

 

But on Google, I found this one with the exact same wordings you used above but this was way back 2006. :(

 

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.php?p=13...amp;postcount=1

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No, thank you. It's not available in in my area.

 

Look close around the center hole of the disc, do you see any #'s if so what?

 

kid, I was asking her if the Sony disc's had the #'s around the inner hub (hole). The codes are below, it's not uncommon for Sony to job the disc's out to Taiyo Yuden.

 

From Wikipedia,

Taiyo Yuden made DVD media has the following media codes:

TAIYOYUDEN: 2x DVD-R, hub stamper code: GBxxxxxx

TYG01: 4x DVD-R, hub stamper code: GDxxxxxx

TYG02: 8x DVD-R, hub stamper code: GGxxxxxx

TYG03: 16x DVD-R, hub stamper code: GHxxxxxx

TYG11: 8x DVD-R DL, hub stamper code: BGxxxxxx (incompatibilities with burners with outdated firmware)

YUDEN000 T00: 2.4x DVD+R, hub stamper code unknown

YUDEN000 T01: 4x DVD+R, hub stamper codes: TCxxxxxx or TSxxxxxx

YUDEN000 T02: 8x DVD+R, hub stamper code: TGxxxxxx

YUDEN000 T03: 16x DVD+R, hub stamper code: THxxxxxx

 

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I'm not sure why everyone was guessing about those discs.

 

From the info Roxann posted in her first message, they're SONY D21s. 4.8GB single-layer 1-16x DVD+R discs. No mystery there, but I wouldn't mind some of those at that price.

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Yesterday, I went to Columbus, OH & stopped at Staples & talked with the manager about the 50 Sony Blu-ray disc for $12.95. Well, first he said, "Take a close look, because Sony put their Blu-ray info booklet on the top of the disc & many people have thought they were Blu-rays, but they are Sony AccuCore 1-16X DVD+R"; second, he said, "If you did get 50 Blu-rays for $12.95, if I were you, I'd get on ebay & start selling!" So, this morning, I looked through the disc & they are as the Staples mgr said, just Sony's AccuCore, not Blu-ray. Still a good price though!

 

Went to Best Buy & purchased an LG GSA-H42L $49.99 to replace my Nec3540A, which won't burn a cd anymore since upgrading 1.01 to 1.04 firmware...man, I hate to throw that Nec drive in the trash....any suggestions? I don't want to waste anymore disc on it....so what are my options? Best Buy assured me that the LG was a great, long lasting burner....haven't opened the box & installed it yet, so what's your thoughts?

Thanks

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Yesterday, I went to Columbus, OH & stopped at Staples & talked with the manager about the 50 Sony Blu-ray disc for $12.95. Well, first he said, "Take a close look, because Sony put their Blu-ray info booklet on the top of the disc & many people have thought they were Blu-rays, but they are Sony AccuCore 1-16X DVD+R"; second, he said, "If you did get 50 Blu-rays for $12.95, if I were you, I'd get on ebay & start selling!" So, this morning, I looked through the disc & they are as the Staples mgr said, just Sony's AccuCore, not Blu-ray. Still a good price though!

 

Went to Best Buy & purchased an LG GSA-H42L $49.99 to replace my Nec3540A, which won't burn a cd anymore since upgrading 1.01 to 1.04 firmware...man, I hate to throw that Nec drive in the trash....any suggestions? I don't want to waste anymore disc on it....so what are my options? Best Buy assured me that the LG was a great, long lasting burner....haven't opened the box & installed it yet, so what's your thoughts?

Thanks

Sony already has gotten bad press for the way they operate....sneaky! That's just poor advertising.

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cd...I posted the Sony DVD+R info around the disc circle, yesterday, but I don't see where it went through....I even gave you drive info from Sony DRX-830U...which I wrote out & wish I could copy and paste.

Anyway, the Sony numbers are ver 1.3/1x-16x Sony Corp DRb2cc0001 and right of the those letters and numbers is SL or LS, I'm not sure.

 

I copied all your info to Word; printed it & going to read what you instructed me to do about Nec 3540A drive.

 

Thanks

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