PS3 Update and BDMV playback

[planetweckesser]

I really had my hopes up that the new PS3 update (version 1.6) would playback BDMV from DVDIt Pro HD - bottom line it doesn't. The preliminary specs state "playback of BD-RE version 3.0" and when you look up the specs of this version on the Blu-Ray disc license website - it does state that BDMV is part of the specs. The disc I tried was one that played in the Panasonic, Pioneer, and older Samsung and I have seen reports of people playing Pro HD discs in the Sony standalone BDP-S1 with the new firmware update. This is a major disappointment. Looks like Sony wants us to buy their $1,000 machine in order to playback our discs rather than enabling this in PS3.

[planetweckesser]

Well I did my final tests with trying BDMV Playback on PS3 with Pro HD - tried taking out menus and just burned a straight video file in BDMV format - no play on PS3 1.6 or 1.54 - tried burning with Nero 7 using UDF 2.5 and still no go. Then took the stream from the BDMV folder (m2ts) and burned to a data disc and it played perfectly on 1.6 but was not recognized in 1.54.

 

Bottom line, Sony did something in the update but is incompatible with Pro HD (PS3 that is). Unfortunately Sony feels that they have implemented a fix but there is no way of letting a company that large know there is a problem - customer support is of no help and will not pass any info up higher in the chain of command and SCEA HQ just refers you back to customer support.

 

I wonder if it concerns anyone else but it seems to be a bit early to put a large amount of projects on Blu-Ray with ever changing standards and software in this early phase of development for the fear that your authored projects will be unplayable in 2nd, 3rd generation Blu-Ray players. Would like to hear from others about that.

[plee]

Well I did my final tests with trying BDMV Playback on PS3 with Pro HD - tried taking out menus and just burned a straight video file in BDMV format - no play on PS3 1.6 or 1.54 - tried burning with Nero 7 using UDF 2.5 and still no go. Then took the stream from the BDMV folder (m2ts) and burned to a data disc and it played perfectly on 1.6 but was not recognized in 1.54.

 

Bottom line, Sony did something in the update but is incompatible with Pro HD (PS3 that is). Unfortunately Sony feels that they have implemented a fix but there is no way of letting a company that large know there is a problem - customer support is of no help and will not pass any info up higher in the chain of command and SCEA HQ just refers you back to customer support.

 

I wonder if it concerns anyone else but it seems to be a bit early to put a large amount of projects on Blu-Ray with ever changing standards and software in this early phase of development for the fear that your authored projects will be unplayable in 2nd, 3rd generation Blu-Ray players. Would like to hear from others about that.

 

I'll give them one more update before giving up. It seems that their halfway there and you maybe correct when they said the fix didn't make it into 1.6 (just have it recognize/play m2ts for now).

 

I think once it's supported we'll get a statement like on the BDP-S1 specifically saying \BDMV are supported.

[plee]

I really had my hopes up that the new PS3 update (version 1.6) would playback BDMV from DVDIt Pro HD - bottom line it doesn't. The preliminary specs state "playback of BD-RE version 3.0" and when you look up the specs of this version on the Blu-Ray disc license website - it does state that BDMV is part of the specs. The disc I tried was one that played in the Panasonic, Pioneer, and older Samsung and I have seen reports of people playing Pro HD discs in the Sony standalone BDP-S1 with the new firmware update. This is a major disappointment. Looks like Sony wants us to buy their $1,000 machine in order to playback our discs rather than enabling this in PS3.

 

The "playback of BD-RE 3.0" seems a little vague, their change log for the BDP-S1 was very specific about \BDMV so I'm not too shocked if it's still not working

[shueardm]

Ok thanks. Funny though that Power DVD Ultra does not play it off a disc.

[plee]

Tried the Australian PS3 (available today) and it also doesn't work.

 

There have been reports of it working but it may require certain BD-RE media I've tried on Memorex and a Verbatim with no luck. I'm gonna try again with a real erase maybe that might work...

[plee]

I wish I could shed light on that Paul. Our tests internally have thus far been unsuccessful. Someone want to try burning a Volume to BD-R/RE with Nero 7's Nero ROM and forcing UDF 2.5? That's the closest I can get to how the user over on the AVS forum may have had success with DVDit Pro HD. The other thing is that his disc had no menus...so maybe our methodology for doing menus isn't fully supported in whatever implementation they have done. Of course our discs are working on PowerDVD BD, Pioneer, Sony, Panasonic and Samsung (original firmware) players. So I would have to say the issue lies with the PS3...but continued experiments are welcomed...

 

Scott,

 

I've been following those message also and I'm thinking that they are not authoring the disk but just putting clips in a \BDMV folder which of course will work if they are conforming clips.

 

- Paul

[shueardm]

if we just want to watch our movies on PS3 then just skip everything and take the edited .m2t files - put them on a blu-ray as a data disc and they will play in PS3.

 

Is this correct? It's the first I heard of it that's all.

[planetweckesser]

Is this correct? It's the first I heard of it that's all.

 

I have not personally tried this but have seen it posted in other areas.

[shueardm]

Tried the Australian PS3 (available today) and it also doesn't work.

[shueardm]

we live in hope

[planetweckesser]

Is this correct? It's the first I heard of it that's all.

Just tested a short movie - works perfectly - PS3 identifies it as "Data Disc" and it shows the title of the .m2t file and when you press enter the file plays - fast forward etc. works.

[planetweckesser]

I wish I could shed light on that Paul. Our tests internally have thus far been unsuccessful. Someone want to try burning a Volume to BD-R/RE with Nero 7's Nero ROM and forcing UDF 2.5? That's the closest I can get to how the user over on the AVS forum may have had success with DVDit Pro HD. The other thing is that his disc had no menus...so maybe our methodology for doing menus isn't fully supported in whatever implementation they have done. Of course our discs are working on PowerDVD BD, Pioneer, Sony, Panasonic and Samsung (original firmware) players. So I would have to say the issue lies with the PS3...but continued experiments are welcomed...

 

Here are the results of my tests:

I have a relatively simple project in DVDIt Pro HD - 69 minute video with one menu page with motion background and motion chapter buttons. I tried Power Producer 4 that came with the Sony burner (actually upgraded to 4 after the fact) and brought the "volume" (files labeled BDMV and CERTIFICATE) into producer 4 and manually set it to UDF 2.5 (and have a verification log at the end of the burn to prove it). The disc gives the same error message in PS3 but will play perfectly in the Sony BDPS1 and on my computer with Power DVD BD. Next I used Nero Burning ROM (the latest updated version - downloaded today-version 7.8.5.0) and burned the same files using the manual setting for UDF at 2.5 and used "physical partition" as opposed to "virtual partitition". Same exact result - "invalid disc" on PS3, plays on computer, plays on Sony BDPS1.

 

Maybe someone else could try a test project without menus but it is sort of pointless - BDMV without menus and the frills? - if we just want to watch our movies on PS3 then just skip everything and take the edited .m2t files - put them on a blu-ray as a data disc and they will play in PS3.

[planetweckesser]

There have been reports of it working but it may require certain BD-RE media I've tried on Memorex and a Verbatim with no luck. I'm gonna try again with a real erase maybe that might work...

 

Good news from Sony (hope it is accurate) - just called tech support to see if they could shed any light and the tech I talked with talked with another "specialist" who was familiar with the issue - bottom line - they were supposed to include this feature in version 1.6 but it never made it in time to be released - hopefully it will be in the next release in another month or so. He seemed knowledgeable and I questioned him in several different ways about it and the story was the same. So we will have to see what happens in the next release - meantime bought a BDPS-1 - did the firmware upgrade and now my blu-ray discs are playing perfectly and can test out my authored projects.

[plee]

Good news from Sony (hope it is accurate) - just called tech support to see if they could shed any light and the tech I talked with talked with another "specialist" who was familiar with the issue - bottom line - they were supposed to include this feature in version 1.6 but it never made it in time to be released - hopefully it will be in the next release in another month or so. He seemed knowledgeable and I questioned him in several different ways about it and the story was the same. So we will have to see what happens in the next release - meantime bought a BDPS-1 - did the firmware upgrade and now my blu-ray discs are playing perfectly and can test out my authored projects.

 

Hopefully, he was telling you the truth...

 

Maybe Scott can also shed some light on why some people claim it's working on their PS3 using DVDit

[SS Scott]

I wish I could shed light on that Paul. Our tests internally have thus far been unsuccessful. Someone want to try burning a Volume to BD-R/RE with Nero 7's Nero ROM and forcing UDF 2.5? That's the closest I can get to how the user over on the AVS forum may have had success with DVDit Pro HD. The other thing is that his disc had no menus...so maybe our methodology for doing menus isn't fully supported in whatever implementation they have done. Of course our discs are working on PowerDVD BD, Pioneer, Sony, Panasonic and Samsung (original firmware) players. So I would have to say the issue lies with the PS3...but continued experiments are welcomed...