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Hello Kobi,

 

Sorry I was away so long, but I could hardly see this thread for the people who were clustered on it, and I didn't want to add to the confusion. I took the time off to go and install EMC 7.5 again and try things out for myself so I could get you correct answers.

 

I gather you have an "_NEC DVD-RW ND3520A" or perhaps an ND3520, plus an "HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GAS-H12N". Are those your drives? Please check by opening Windows Device Manager and clicking on the + alongside the DVD/CD-ROM drives icon. Are those two the drive identifiers which are then shown by Device Manager?

 

There are two matters you raised:

(1) You couldn't close your DVD+RWs

(2) DVD+RW Data discs made with your H12N wouldn't play in your DivX certified DVD player, and you suspect this is related to problem (1). Do I have it right?

 

Problem 1, closing of DVD+RWs

I don't think this is the cause of problem 2, so I'd suggest you don't worry about it.

 

I checked this with both my current burners, an Emprex/BTC 2016, and the newer version of your LG drive, the GSA-H22N. Both drives did the same things.

-Creator Classic would NOT finalise any DVDRW discs, even when the 'Read Only Disc" box was ticked. Both DVD-RW and DVD+RW discs stayed "appendable" when checked with Roxio's Disc and Device utility.

-Nero, in its "No Multisession" mode would close DVD-RWs, but would not close DVD+RWs, leaving them appendable.

-Roxio's 7.5 has the Disc and Device utility, and a version of DVDInfoPro. While the D+D utility would only allow a quick format of +RWs, DVDInfoPro allowed me to tick either box.

 

I think the strange failure to close a disc is a feature of DVD+RWs, unless both Roxio and Nero are both suffering from the same fault. The short/full erase thing seems definitely a software "feature" and not a sign that your H12N is broken.

 

In any case, DVDs made with plus and dash RWs on both drives all played without problem on my DivX certified player [Philips DVP640].

 

 

Problem 2 - Failure of DVD+RW data discs written on the H12N to play in the player.

 

This one isn't so simple. It's obvious that the LG drive (the H12N) is doing something different to the disc from what the NEC drive does. What's not so obvious is what the drive is doing differently. I couldn't find any differences between DVD+RW discs burned on each of my drives, but you might be able to see some difference between the +RW burned on each of your drives.

 

Please run DVDInfoPro, which is on your extras menu from the Home application. Select the drive, and click on the Info icon to look at the disc in the drive.

The two fields I'm most interested in are Book Type, and Media Type. However anything which changes when the disc gets written in the other drive is going to be interesting.

What do those two fields say? Do they stay at DVD+RW or are there changes? Do any of the other results change between discs?

 

 

 

I'm sorry there aren't simple answers, but this isn't a simple problem. Please tell me what you find.

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Sorry ML, I don't have a divx player… Brandon was the one who does that. My only qualification is that I can click the Reply button and have a pretty good grasp of Classic.

 

Sorry. I guess he needs Brendon...... although he seems to have narrowed the problem to the one burner.

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Speaking as one who uses a DivX certified DVD player, (and Kobi and I seem to be the only ones on this thread who do):

 

-you should be able to write a your avis onto ANY data disc without having to use special settings and play them fine.

-RW discs should be perfectly fine for the job. Several of the Gurus have been using the same RW discs for many years without losing any data, and in any case you seem to be using them for temporary rather than archival storage.

-there is only the issue of finalized vs. appendable discs left. Some DivX certified players don't like appendable discs, as you've found.

 

Kobi, What models are your new and old burners, please?

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i use the creator classic, and yes, i must burn it as "DATA DISC". i have "DIVX PLAYER" and it should run "DATA DISCS".

 

i just bought a new computer with a new dvd-burner and my problems started. in the old one, i never had any.

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i use the creator classic, and yes, i must burn it as "DATA DISC". i have "DIVX PLAYER" and it should run "DATA DISCS".

 

i just bought a new computer with a new dvd-burner and my problems started. in the old one, i never had any.

In Classic you must also set the Project Properties to UDF, No Bridge.

 

I would also be curious as to the file structure/contents of this disc???

 

Edit: Just checked my notes - V7 cannot write a DVD Movie with Classic!

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i tried DVD-R and it works just fine!

 

the content is some XVID files (avi format). the problem is only with DVD+RW...

 

there is no problem with the media, the computer recognizes the media with no problem at all.

 

i noticed that when i used DVD-R, it wrote "closing disc". using DVD+RW skipped on that message.

 

i'll try to play with the UDF options, see if something changes.

 

(forgot to say thanks by now, so thank you... (: )

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1. on what disc are you burning to now?

 

2. "i can't choose the "full erase" in what application? Do you have DVDInfo Pro try a full erase in that utility.

 

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i burn on the RITEK DVD+RW

i still can't choose "FULL ERASE" in DVDINFOPRO, the option is disabled.

 

Kobi: I am going to assume you are now using Classic. You recall I mentioned setting the File System to UDF, No Bridge… Disregard that and try it with Joliet as the File System.

 

Don't worry about Full/Quick erase. When you attempt to burn in Classic it will offer to Erase if it doesn't like the RW disc it sees. Of course make sure in Classic, after you click Burn, that you have Read Only checked.

 

While you are in Classic, click on Help – About and tell us the full version number of Classic.

 

my creator classic (7.5.0.47) pops a message and asks me if i want to erase the disc.

 

i still don't understand why it doesn't closes the disc at all. with the DVD-R, it writes "closing disc" for a few seconds, and then "finished". in the RW, it skips the "closing disc"...

 

i'll try the joliet and see what happens.

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ok, i use RITEK & VERBATIM for DVD+RW and DVD-RW.

 

i have 2 divx players: PIONEER 383 & APEX 811.

 

my old burner is NEC 3520. my new one is LG H12.

 

my question is if the new one is defected? (remember, when i use DVD-R media, it works great...)

 

and with the old one, both divx players works fine with DVD-R & DVD+-RW.

 

so i guess there is a problem with the LG burner. i updated its firmware and nothing has changed by now.

 

should i go to the store i bought the burner and replace it? or there is something i should try before?

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so i guess there is a problem with the LG burner. i updated its firmware and nothing has changed by now.

 

kobi,

first Brendon lives in a different time zone as has crashed he will be back after that and check in here.

 

The LG GSA H12N I do not see a firmware upgrade for. What and where did you get a firmware update?

http://www.lge.com/products/model/detail/gsa-h12n.jhtml

DVDInfo Pro in EMC 7.5 and up or cdspeed (Google free download) will give drive info and firmware versions.

 

You state you use, "ok i use RITEK & VERBATIM for DVD+RW and DVD-RW."

What brand of disc's are the -R and +R and at what burn speed are you burning at in both burners? Does that match the write speeds shown in the check utilities above for the media?

The utilities above will check the disc for errors.

Since it will play a +RW but not a +R the book type bitseeting seems to be a moot issue!

 

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You say there is a problem with DVD+RW, but not DVD-R.

 

Have you tried DVD-RW and DVD+R? If you have a problem with reading DVD-RW as you do with DVD+RW, and can read DVD+R as you can DVD-R, it could have to do with the lesser reflectivity of RW media compared with R media.

 

If it's only one burner - is it burning faster than the other burner?

 

This whole can of worms came up reflecting why the DVD/CD-ROM will read some CD-Rs and not other CD-Rs - is the burner that burned them going out, or going too fast, or is the ROM going out , or ...? Still working on it.

 

Lynn

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ok, the newest firmware can be found in here:

 

http://forum.rpc1.org/portal.php

 

now for the media issue, i use the VERBATIM DVD-R, and it works fine (with the new & old burners)

 

my new burner is able to burn DVD+RW, and it burns it with no problem. my computer reads the disc with no problem. when i switched between the burners, my old one burnt it, again with no problem, and my divx player recognized the disc as well.

 

i burn the discs on the max speed. the DVD-R on X16, and the DVD+RW, DVD-RW on X8.

 

lynn,

 

i have tried DVD-RW, same results. the disc that was burnt with the new one, is not recognized by the divx player. when i use the old one (nec), my divx player handles the disc with no problem.

 

the emc 7.5 is not even trying to close the disc (RW), it writes something about "background format" and then "finished!". when i put a DVD-R, it writes in the final phase "closing disc" and then "finished!" so it works that way.

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lynn,

 

i have tried DVD-RW, same results. the disc that was burnt with the new one, is not recognized by the divx player. when i use the old one (nec), my divx player handles the disc with no problem.

 

the emc 7.5 is not even trying to close the disc (RW), it writes something about "background format" and then "finished!". when i put a DVD-R, it writes in the final phase "closing disc" and then "finished!" so it works that way.

One of your burners is Mount Rainier enabled, the other is not.

 

With Mount Rainier, the formatting is done only for that portion of the Packet-Writing currently being written; otherwise the entire disc is firmatted before anything is written to it.

 

Packet-Writing is a specific type of burning, which gives people the illusion they have a "great-big floppy-disc" without the relative stability of a floppy-disc. In practice, it can be very fussy (refusing to be read except by the exact same combinatioin of Opearating Sytem and Program Version that wrote it) and becoming unreadable for any reason or none at all. Different Packet-Writing programs can't read each other's Packet-Writing, and sometimes from Version to Version within the same brand they become unreadable.

 

I fully agree with cdanteek - uninstall Drag2Disc.

 

Lynn

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First that RW disc has been formated in D2D and needs a full erase, try creator classic.

Do you see a D2D icon in the systray down by the clock? Mouse over the icons for info. To shut it off click start, run, type in (msconfig) click ok. Click the startup tab and look for a D2D entry, and uncheck it. Reboot a box will show on reboot about system configuration utility, check it OK.

 

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First that RW disc has been formated in D2D and needs a full erase, try creator classic.

Do you see a D2D icon in the systray down by the clock? Mouse over the icons for info. To shut it off click start, run, type in (msconfig) click ok. Click the startup tab and look for a D2D entry, and uncheck it. Reboot a box will show on reboot about system configuration utility, check it OK.

 

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Once the disc is erased, go to add/remove programs (on the Control Panel). Follow GrandpaBruce's info in this thread:

http://forums.support.roxio.com/index.php?...=uninstall+drag

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ok, one more update:

 

i just installed my old DVD BURNER, and the problem is solved!

 

i guess the problem is with my new one? is that possible that a brand new burner wouldn't be able to close DVD+RW?? or there is something i have to configure?

 

thanks....

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update:

 

i removed the d2d, and still i don't see the "closing disc" message.

 

i can't choose the "full erase" option because it's not available (why?!?).

 

so i'm stuck. any more ideas? (and i want to thank everybody in here... :) )

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removed the d2d, and still i don't see the "closing disc" message.

 

i can't choose the "full erase" option because it's not available (why?!?).

 

1. on what disc are you burning to now?

 

2. "i can't choose the "full erase" in what application? Do you have DVDInfo Pro try a full erase in that utility.

 

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Kobi: I am going to assume you are now using Classic. You recall I mentioned setting the File System to UDF, No Bridge… Disregard that and try it with Joliet as the File System.

 

Don't worry about Full/Quick erase. When you attempt to burn in Classic it will offer to Erase if it doesn't like the RW disc it sees. Of course make sure in Classic, after you click Burn, that you have Read Only checked.

 

While you are in Classic, click on Help – About and tell us the full version number of Classic.

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