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Maurizio G

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Hi,

i encountered a strange thing with Creator 9, in other words, when i burn a DVD-R or DVD+R the maximum speed allowed is 4x, when my recorder and the virgin disk that i use support speeds until 16x.

It's strange because using other programs, i can burn with a speed of 8x or 16x.

Is it a My DVD or Disk copy limit or what else?

Any suggestions are higly appreciated! :)

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All the other voodoo about EMC "queries the DRIVE" somehow different than other programs, belongs in the BOLOGNA pile.

 

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And I suppose just knowing all that media info and firmware version is going t help you fix his problem? I smell something burning... what is that you're frying?
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And I suppose just knowing all that media info and firmware version is going t help you fix his problem? I smell something burning... what is that you're frying?

 

 

I can't fix anything for anyone. I can suggest what the problem might be and the OP's, they have to do the fixen.

 

I do know by looking at your signature and peekin in your Nec 3520a firmware below, with the Media ID (MID) what might be the problem. That is if the OP comes back and tells us that info.

 

" I smell something burning... what is that you're frying?"

 

New York strip on the grill tonight......:)

 

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Firmware: NEC DVD_RW ND-3520AW3.0720060209

Bootcode:

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Overall supported media types: 674

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I got tired of scrolling through all of the nonsense. The OP can go to the manufacturer's website to find what media is compatible.

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Although your logic seems correct, it may not be. I don't know how the other apps that you use work, but EMC acutally queries the DRIVE. The drive MUST properly recognize the media that you are using. If the drive doesn't respond, EMC defaults to lower speeds.

 

Sometimes off brands are 'labelled' as 16X when they really aren't. There is a code encoded on the hub put there by the disc manufacturer which tells the drive at what speed the disc has been certified. Other apps can ignore this code, but EMC does not. If the drive does recognize the code correctly (the codes are stored in the firmware), EMC will default to lower speed. This is to ensure a good burn.

 

I suspected a thing like this.... yes, probably you are right, i put my media into the drive (it's a FujiFilm DVD-R up to 16x) and using the EMC 9 application the result is that one:

 

Media Information

Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO

Media code/Manufacturer ID MBI 03RG40

Format Capacity Blank Disc

Free Blocks 411107328

Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.71GB)

Book Type DVD-R

Media Type DVD-R

Manufacturer Rated Speed Unknown

Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps

Write Strategy Speed 4.0x 5540KBps

2x Speed OPC beta 09

2x Speed OPC power 0F

2x Write Strategy field 1 15 87 88 90

2x Write Strategy field 2 A8 82 00 20 00 00

4x Speed OPC beta 06

4x Speed OPC power 16

4x Write Strategy field 1 10 14 0F 0B

4x Write Strategy field 2 94 07 0D 0B

4x Write Strategy field 3 80 00 00 00

4x Speed OPC beta multi-pulse 09

4x Speed OPC power multi-pulse 1E

4x Write Strategy field 4 17 A7 89 85

4x Write Strategy field 5 B7 89 02 00 20 02

4x Write Strategy field 6 00 00 D0 00 00

Data area starting sector 30000h

Linear Density 0.267um/bit

Track Density 0.74um/track

Number of Layers 1

 

Complete Media Code

00000000 00 6C 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 87 0D 13 .l...@....R.....

00000010 87 88 90 00 03 4D 42 49 20 30 33 00 04 52 47 34 .....MBI 03..RG4

00000020 30 00 00 00 05 88 80 00 00 00 02 00 06 09 0F 15 0...............

 

So the problem seems to be as Roxio interprets the media, right? Anyway i don't believe to be capable to update the firmware of my recorder, i have no idea how to do it.... Could you give me some tips?

Thank you everybody

 

 

 

List your Drive model and Firmware, also the MID ( media ID/Manufacturer ID) mine below (Media code/Manufacturer ID MCC 004) Is a Verbatim 16X +R.

Place your media in the drive open DVDInfo pro (EMC 9 Tools) and look for the 'Available Write Descriptor'. if it's like below and EMC 9 is only allowing 4x, check your DMA setting on the IDE channel the drive is hooked to.

 

DVDINFOPro MCC 004 in Plextor 716A Media Information

Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO

Media code/Manufacturer ID MCC 004

Media Product Revision Number 00h

Format Capacity Blank Disc

Free Blocks 405405696

Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.70GB)

Book Type DVD+R

Media Type DVD+R

Manufacturer Rated Speed 16.0x 22160KBp

Available Write Descriptor CLV 16.0x 22160KBps

Available Write Descriptor CLV 12.0x 16620KBps

Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps

Available Write Descriptor CLV 6.0x 8310KBps

Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps

Data area starting sector 30000h

Linear Density 0.267um/bit

Track Density 0.74um/track

Number of Layers 1

 

Complete Media Code

00000000 01 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3F .............&.?

00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 07 4D 43 43 00 00 00 00 00 30 .......MCC.....0

00000020 30 34 00 38 23 54 37 12 02 54 6C 02 92 5F 15 15 04.8#T7..Tl.._..

00000030 0B 0B 08 08 01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 00 00 00 00 ................

All the other voodoo about EMC "queries the DRIVE" somehow different than other programs, belongs in the BOLOGNA pile.

 

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Thanks for your support CD Anteek, i mean what you are saying, that if the media is declared to 16x but it's not really capable to burn affordably at this speed, it's better to burn at a lower.... Anyway i notice this... i have two computers, the other has a different recorder, newer, it's a lightscribe capable, and the problem is the same.... so i really think that it depends on the way Roxio interpret the media features.

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So the problem seems to be as Roxio interprets the media, right? Anyway i don't believe to be capable to update the firmware of my recorder, i have no idea how to do it.... Could you give me some tips?

Thank you everybody

No, what you're seeing above is what is being reported to Easy Media Creator, it's not an interpretation. Since it's being told 4X is what the drive wants to write to the disc as, that's what EMC is doing, 4X. Now, you still didn't report the firmware version for your drive. This really can make a difference, and just because you have a new drive, that doesn't mean the firmware is up-to-date. New firmware may have a new write strategy that will report a faster speed to EMC which it will use.

 

There's a difference between just querying the drives capabilities versus querying what speed the drive says it wants to write to the inserted disc. EMC takes the more conservative approach of asking the drive how fast it thinks it wants to write to the disc rather than simply saying, "Ah... you're capable of 16X... just do it regardless of what your firmware says you "should" do."

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Maurizio G.

 

If anyone bothered to look at the Firmware: NEC DVD_RW ND-3520AW3. above it shows this media MID and the MBI 03RG40 16x,12x,8x,6x,4x,2x The MBI stands for ' Moser Baer India '.

 

Your drive see's (Media code/Manufacturer ID MBI 03RG40) show (Manufacturer Rated Speed Unknown

Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps

Write Strategy Speed 4.0x 5540KBps)

 

That's why they burn at 4X. Are you in the US where did you buy the disc's and how old are they?

 

List your DVD Burner Model # and Firmware. When you open DVDInfo Pro it should list this info top right, there is a drop down arrow at bottom to change drives if you have two burners in the pc.

 

 

EMC takes the more conservative approach of asking the drive how fast it thinks it wants to write to the disc rather than simply saying, "Ah... you're capable of 16X... just do it regardless of what your firmware says you "should" do."

 

 

Where do you and Gary get this stuff? DVDInfo Pro see's the disc the same as Roxio! DVD Identifier and CDDVDSpeed would also read the same. It's the drives firmware along with the MID of the media they all read. The notion the EMC is special or "takes the more conservative approach" is ridiculous.

 

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Make sure that you have the latest firmware installed on your drive.This is determined by the drive and not the software.

 

Thank you for your reply, i think my firmware is updated. This is not the problem, because as i repeat, with other programs, such as adobe encore DVD 1.5, i am naturally capable to burn DVD using the 16x speed. This signifies that's not a firmware problem, if not i couldn't use this speed with other programs.

I think, otherwise, that's a Roxio problem, because it seems that with my recorder it doesn't allow a speed faster than 4x. Using Nero burning Rom, for instance, i can use faster speeds. So, how can i solve the problem?

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Where do you and Gary get this stuff? DVDInfo Pro see's the disc the same as Roxio! DVD Identifier and CDDVDSpeed would also read the same. It's the drives firmware along with the MID of the media they all read. The notion the EMC is special or "takes the more conservative approach" is ridiculous.

 

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Okay then, CD, you give some explanation for why the OP can write the same discs at 16X using another application! We see that DVDInfoPro, when querying the drive about the inserted disc, gets the 4X write strategy. I suspect (sorry, not at my home computer) that somewhere, the drive can also report that it's maximum write speed is 16X. I'm not saying EMC is getting information from the drive any differently than any other application, I'm just proposing that it's using different information, that is, the preferred write strategy reported, rather than the base, maximum write speed.

 

I'm not making this stuff up... we hear from the OP that he can write at 16X with other software, so how else do you explain it other than the other software is simply telling the drive to write at 16X, and not use it's preferred 4X write strategy?! Don't just tell us we're making stuff up, give us your explanation! That's all I'm doing. Heck, I'll gladly be proven wrong. Do it! Explain why! Crow isn't all that bad to eat, with plenty of ketchup. B)

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Thank you for your reply, i think my firmware is updated. This is not the problem, because as i repeat, with other programs, such as adobe encore DVD 1.5, i am naturally capable to burn DVD using the 16x speed. This signifies that's not a firmware problem, if not i couldn't use this speed with other programs.

I think, otherwise, that's a Roxio problem, because it seems that with my recorder it doesn't allow a speed faster than 4x. Using Nero burning Rom, for instance, i can use faster speeds. So, how can i solve the problem?

Although your logic seems correct, it may not be. I don't know how the other apps that you use work, but EMC acutally queries the DRIVE. The drive MUST properly recognize the media that you are using. If the drive doesn't respond, EMC defaults to lower speeds.

 

Sometimes off brands are 'labelled' as 16X when they really aren't. There is a code encoded on the hub put there by the disc manufacturer which tells the drive at what speed the disc has been certified. Other apps can ignore this code, but EMC does not. If the drive does recognize the code correctly (the codes are stored in the firmware), EMC will default to lower speed. This is to ensure a good burn.

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Okay then, CD, you give some explanation for why the OP can write the same discs at 16X using another application! We see that DVDInfoPro, when querying the drive about the inserted disc, gets the 4X write strategy. I suspect (sorry, not at my home computer) that somewhere, the drive can also report that it's maximum write speed is 16X. I'm not saying EMC is getting information from the drive any differently than any other application, I'm just proposing that it's using different information, that is, the preferred write strategy reported, rather than the base, maximum write speed.

 

I'm not making this stuff up... we hear from the OP that he can write at 16X with other software, so how else do you explain it other than the other software is simply telling the drive to write at 16X, and not use it's preferred 4X write strategy?! Don't just tell us we're making stuff up, give us your explanation! That's all I'm doing. Heck, I'll gladly be proven wrong. Do it! Explain why! Crow isn't all that bad to eat, with plenty of ketchup. B)

 

Dave, I'm not making up this stuff.... I know in three different check tools and EMC 9 and Nero 7 Ultra, this Verbatim DVD-R MCC 02RG20 8X reads the same. I have did this with countless drives and media and the results are the same. The info on the disc dosen't change 'if we use the same disc and drive to check with'.

 

The only ' Moser Baer India ' MBI media I have seen are the Verbatim pastel lightscribe CD-R's. The last Fuji film DVD media I had were info or pro disc. I will look for this media at Best Buy.

 

Please explain the same results compared to you explanation. "I'm just proposing that it's using different information, that is, the preferred write strategy reported, rather than the base, maximum write speed."

 

Question now is, will some Guru come along and delete the post ( been done before ) because I'm showing Nero reading the same on a Roxio board? This is education isn't it.

 

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What shows up on YOUR MACHINE means absolutely nothing to the poster. What counts is what is on HIS MACHINE. Are you using the EXACT same drive with the exact same firmware and media? Then everything you have posted is totally meaningless. 16X isn't as common as 8X so the write strategies for the 16x media may not have been updated in HIS firmware.

 

It STILL boils down to the firmware in HIS BURNER to recognize the media.

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What shows up on YOUR MACHINE means absolutely nothing to the poster. What counts is what is on HIS MACHINE. Are you using the EXACT same drive with the exact same firmware and media? Then everything you have posted is totally meaningless. 16X isn't as common as 8X so the write strategies for the 16x media may not have been updated in HIS firmware.

 

It STILL boils down to the firmware in HIS BURNER to recognize the media.

 

 

You can lead a horse to water but...........

 

Please re-read post #10.

 

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Thank you for your reply, i think my firmware is updated. This is not the problem, because as i repeat, with other programs, such as adobe encore DVD 1.5, i am naturally capable to burn DVD using the 16x speed. This signifies that's not a firmware problem, if not i couldn't use this speed with other programs.

I think, otherwise, that's a Roxio problem, because it seems that with my recorder it doesn't allow a speed faster than 4x. Using Nero burning Rom, for instance, i can use faster speeds. So, how can i solve the problem?

 

 

List your Drive model and Firmware, also the MID ( media ID/Manufacturer ID) mine below (Media code/Manufacturer ID MCC 004) Is a Verbatim 16X +R.

Place your media in the drive open DVDInfo pro (EMC 9 Tools) and look for the 'Available Write Descriptor'. if it's like below and EMC 9 is only allowing 4x, check your DMA setting on the IDE channel the drive is hooked to.

 

DVDINFOPro MCC 004 in Plextor 716A Media Information

Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO

Media code/Manufacturer ID MCC 004

Media Product Revision Number 00h

Format Capacity Blank Disc

Free Blocks 405405696

Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.70GB)

Book Type DVD+R

Media Type DVD+R

Manufacturer Rated Speed 16.0x 22160KBp

Available Write Descriptor CLV 16.0x 22160KBps

Available Write Descriptor CLV 12.0x 16620KBps

Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps

Available Write Descriptor CLV 6.0x 8310KBps

Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps

Data area starting sector 30000h

Linear Density 0.267um/bit

Track Density 0.74um/track

Number of Layers 1

 

Complete Media Code

00000000 01 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3F .............&.?

00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 07 4D 43 43 00 00 00 00 00 30 .......MCC.....0

00000020 30 34 00 38 23 54 37 12 02 54 6C 02 92 5F 15 15 04.8#T7..Tl.._..

00000030 0B 0B 08 08 01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 00 00 00 00 ................

 

 

All the other voodoo about EMC "queries the DRIVE" somehow different than other programs, belongs in the BOLOGNA pile.

 

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