DAO (Disk At Once) Doesn't work on My EMC9

[Richard Fdisk.exe]

Hi all;

 

I looked up and down in here and didn't find what I was l :blink: king for?

 

Here's the rub,

1) I set the "Audio CD" to "Disk At Once" in EMC9

2) when I "Add" the track files to the list and burn/ruin the disk

3) I re-extract the audio the see if it matched the original files

4) every track has the 2 second gap shoved in between and it totally ruins the flow of the audio, and disk

 

Why does it work on the Roxio Creator Dell Edition (OEM) with the exact same settings, when I go home and set EMC 9 to the settings here on the Roxio Creator Dell Edition (OEM) it shows that it has no gaps in between but when the disk is burned/ruined all the tracks are fried by the 2 second insertion?

 

Also I have another rotten problem:

1) open Roxio Creator Dell Edition (OEM) (work laptop dell latitude d620)

2) click on the "wrench Icon" to get the settings

3) select 4x as 'Default" burn speed (with no disk in the drive).

4) put any CD-R (even the cheapest 5¢ ones) in the drive and it burns audio or data cds At 4X

5) take disk out and verify it with a CD scan program, 100% accuracy and 0 errors shown / detected on every and any disk I've done @ 4X (never had a coaster using 4X)

6) go home an open EMC9

7) click on the "wrench Icon" to get the settings.

8) cannot select burn speed

9) put disk in and can only select 15x as minimum speed on either of the burners

10) burn disk at the lowest selectable speed (15x)

11) pop disk and try to verify it with the CD scan program

12) less than 50% accurate on Data CD and less than 40% accurate on Audio CD

13) regardless of disk, Maxell CD-R, Tayio Yueden Hi Q. CD-R, $50.00 each "Gold 300 Year Archival" Disks

 

why can't I set defaults in EMC 9 like I can in Roxio Creator Dell Edition (OEM)?

the interface is almost Identical, just minus a bunch of the extra junk that comes w/EMC9

you click the same things to get to the same places in either one.

but the results are different also never made a coaster on Roxio Creator Dell Edition (OEM)

nor on ECDC5 Platinum on the Desktop,

every disk I've tried on the EMC 9 has been trash because I can't set the 4x Defaults like I can in the Roxio Creator Dell Edition (OEM)

 

 

Module Name: Roxio Creator LE - Dell Edition

Build: 2.4.32a

Serial Number: SC-204B28D

Copyright: Sonic Solutions 2005

 

Module Name: PX Engine

Build: 2.2.54a, 68

Copyright: Sonic Solutions 2004

 

Module Name: Roxio RecordNow Audio

Version: 2.0.4

Build: 204B28C, RCB

Serial Number: CK7MLEHCWVS3HRNG2

Copyright: Sonic Solutions 2004

 

Module Name: Home

Copyright: Sonic Solutions 2004

 

Module Name: Roxio RecordNow Data

Version: 2.0.4

Build: 204B37C, RCB

Serial Number: CLTUVS6F28A6YBHFW

Copyright: Sonic Solutions 2004

 

Module Name: Launch Backup

Build: 204B37C, RCB

Copyright: Sonic Solutions 2004

 

Module Name: Roxio RecordNow Copy

Version: 2.0.4

Build: 204B28D, RCB

Serial Number: CQGMVJ9FWDCZ7EEG6

Copyright: Sonic Solutions 2004

 

that's what's on the latitude d620

 

I don't have the EMC9 info it's at home.

 

help I'm going nuts I have 500 blank CD's & DVD's that I can't use because every disk I try and do it gets cooked so bad that it's a coaster and useless, the machine is new, I ordered it in Feb, and I got it in March.

 

►RfD◄

[d_deweywright]

d_deweywright

 

It is a full 2 seconds because

1) I create the whole cd file in Adobe Audition and specifically select the track length by adding cues at specific times and

2) then create the individual track files from the cues by "snapping" the highlight to the cue and then selecting "Save Selection As"

3) after the CD is created I open the original file and set the "Syncronize Cursor Across Windows"

4) then use "Extract Audio From CD"

5) once the file is extracted I select the cue window and look at the time frames (start / end)

6) then pick a cue on the actual file display and switch between files

7) if there is a difference it shows on both the cue list and the wave form display

8) if there's a difference I open WiMP 9 and look at the track lengths and compare to the original file.

9) and so far every disk burned @ home has been zapped by the 2 second add on, and or fried by too high a burn speed..

 

I do this for my job, what the contract entails right now is to take old mono tape archives and convert them to CD's and internet MP3 files so far I can only make the CD's at the office and can do nothing on the home PC because I can't even make a decent DATA CD due to the excessive burn speed that the drive uses, as well as the problem with the 2 second gapping.

 

but I've never had this problem with the on site Laptop (using Creator LE Dell Edition) or on the on site desktop (using ECDC 5.x Platinum)

and I've burned hundreds of disks and only made coasters from bad disks.

 

Cheers

RD

Okay... between step 2) and the beginning of step 3) there are a LOT of missing details. What file type are you saving the files as? .WAV? Have you looked at the tracks using an audio editor to make sure that there is no silence at the beginning/end of the tracks. When you play back your discs with the two second gap in a home stereo player, does the time display go to "-0:02, -0:01, 0:00" before the track starts playing (on other than the first track)? Or does it start at 0:00 and get to 0:02 before the track starts playing? The first indicates true Track-At-Once recording, the second indicates silence in the original files.

 

I understand that you do this for your job... I have a home business doing this too, and I don't mean to question your knowledge or your abilities, but until you tell us in nauseating, excrutiating detail exactly what steps you're taking, we can't be sure of anything.

 

Now, the next question has been asked at least twice before, and you haven't answered, have you tried using Music Disc Creator? I'm attaching to images, the first of Roxio Home with the Audio CD option open, the second of Music Disc Creator. Which image matches what you're using?

 

 

 

Here's why I ask. I just took a track which was a medley of songs, and split it apart using CDWave, into 3 individual .WAV tracks. I then wrote two Audio CDs, one using the Audio CD component from the Home application, and one using Music Disc Creator. I used the same brand of disc, and wrote both in the same Plextor drive at 12X (the drives max speed). The one created with Music Disc Creator plays exactly as expected... no gap between tracks. The one created with Home - Audio CD plays correctly between the first and second tracks, no gap, but there is a stutter between the second and third tracks. Not 2 seconds, not count-up, but a stutter.

 

Also, I did some testing here that may be of interest to you, finding differences in extracted tracks when written with the Home-Audio CD program, or Music Disc Creator.

 

So, give us some more details please. And if you haven't try using Music Disc Creator.

[Richard Fdisk.exe]

d_deweywright

 

O.K. I will give you the full details

 

1) record into Adobe Audition from the tape (44,100 16bit PCM *.wav)

2) edit the file as needed

3) go back to the beginning of the file and zoom out 'til ½ minute increments are visible

4) select "CD View 75fps"

5) scroll and add cue markers at:

00:04:00

00:08:00

00:12:00

00:16:00

00:20:00

every 4 minutes 'til the end of the file

5a) to hit the exact frame set I "Snapping" to "Snap to Frames"

and zoom out to "Samples" for each cue I place then zoom

back to ½ minute increments and scroll again

6) after all cues are in place I zoom out to "Full" and see the whole file

7) change the "Snapping" to "Snap to Cues"

8) hit the home key and the cursor goes to the beginning of the file

9) rt click on the waveform before the first cue and drag the "selection"

block toward the cue and when it "Snaps" release the mouse button.

10) goto the "File" menu and "Save Selection as"

11) file is saved as Track01.wav (44,100 16bit PCM *.wav)

12) repeat 9 - 11 till the last track file is created

13) close the original file and close all other open programs except Windows Exploder

14) open EMC and choose Audio CD

15) choose "add"

16) when the add dialog pops up go to the [DIR] containing the "Track##.wav" files

17) select the "Track" files and click add

18) check that they get into the proper order (sometimes I get 01,05,03,...)

19) rearange the tracks if needed

20) open the options and select the way I want the disk burned (DAO / 4X)

21) push burn and go do something else on another PC

22) come back after the drive pops the disk

23) close EMC

24) open Adobe Audition

25) open the original file

26) push the disk back in

27) File » Extract Audio From CD » Extract to single waveform » Wait

28) select original file window

29) select "Syncronize Cursor across windows" (means when I zoom one window

the other will zoom also, when I put the cursor @ say the 00:20:00 cue, it will be on both files)

30) switch between files and look at the change (if any) in the waveforms displayed

and the position of the cue as well as the actual wave

31) if the 2 seconds have been added the cues are way off and so is the waveform

32) if it's the same it may only vary by frames which isn't audible

33) if it's the same put it into the "Masters" binder for distribution of copies.

 

34) if it's different chuck the disk in the bin and visit Roxio forum to see if anyone else has seen this.

 

_

I don't have a CD player I just use a diskman and my PC

 

Hope this clairifies the process I use.

 

Now, the next question has been asked at least twice before, and you haven't answered, have you tried using Music Disc Creator? I'm attaching to images, the first of Roxio Home with the Audio CD option open, the second of Music Disc Creator. Which image matches what you're using?

as for that question I answered it,

I said I haven't been bothered to try anymore burning because I received info from "LiteOn IT" support

and they told me I can't use the drive to burn @ 4x regardless of disk and I'm waiting for LG to let

me know if it's the same story (wouldn't be surprised a bit).

 

Cheers

RD

[tbrewst]

Question,when you have the project screen up and tracks added do you see a column called Pre-Gap?

You'll notice that there are times there.Try highlighting the 2nd track and then clicking on the info symbol (i).When the box comes up you can set that pre-gap.Mine are all set to zero.If you have a number in that column try and change it to zero here.I think once you set it it will stay that way even for your next project.The only one you can't change is the first track,that always stays at 2 sec.

[d_deweywright]

Still not happy here;

 

I pulled the older "CD RW" only (no DVD's) drive from the P4 to test it and;

 

> from the the "Options" menu, I can actually change the write speed to 2x, 4x, 8x, 10x, 16x, 24x, 36x, or 48x; on this drive if I want to. Definitely be using 4x

 

but

> in the Music Disk Creator I can't set the burn speed to 4x it won't even go down to 8x which I would never burn that fast anyway, it just says 48x and only gives 3 options when I put any brand of CD in.

 

I'll test the Drive with the "Audio CD creator" from the "Sonic Creator" app

(I can change the burn speed on it but with this drive only)

and hope I don't get a gapped CD

 

Cheers

◄RfD►

Keep in mind that it's been shown that most drives are optimized from the factory to burn "best" at or near their maximum rated speed. In some cases, burning slower actually produces a disc with more errors.

 

Oh... and you never answered the question about the "count-up" issue between songs. Is it counting from -0:02 up to 0:00 before the song starts?

[d_deweywright]

d_deweywright

"So, yes or no, have you tried using Music Disc Creator to burn your Audio CD?"

Which one is this,

 

if it's the one you get to by going through the "Creator Classic" mode then no

I haven't used that, because when I start "Classic" mode, it's harder to navigate around in it.

 

if it's the one on the "Home" menu » "Audio Disk" » "Audio CD" then that's the one I've tried to use.

 

on the Creator LE Dell Edition all I get is the "Home" menu and there's no "Creator Classic" mode.

 

I just wish that the EMC 9 "Classic" did what ECDC 5 does;

1> pops open a menu "Select a Project"

2> select Audio CD

3> add tracks (always sorted by alphabetical order Track01 to Track## never had to rearrange on ECDC5)

4> push burn

5> then select disk type and burn speed

6> click ok

7> disk burns while I go to the store for a snack etc.

8> come back and test disk

9> never burned a coaster with ECDC5

 

see "Flash from the past"

 

so far only the one on the "Home" menu behaves similar, only with an extra step

in the add process (have to select the tracks in reverse order, from the bottom up

to get the correct order)

 

I'll try and get on this this weekend and inform you here as to the results.

 

Cheers

 

RfD

Sorry.. tried to reply to this last night, but had problems with my internet connection...

 

This is the notation we've used to say how to get to Music Disc Creator, it's a "click-by-click" path:

 

Start -> Programs -> Roxio/Sonic -> Audio -> Music Disc Creator

 

Creator Classic no longer makes Audio CDs, that function was moved into Music Disc Creator. As you described the steps to create an Audio CD in ECDC 5... they are very much like in Music Disc Creator, here's a pictorial description, though I realize that Music Disc Creator may not be in your Dell LE version... take a look for it anyway...

 

Step 1 - Open Music Disc Creator

 

 

Step 2 - Click "Audio CD" & then click "Add Audio Tracks"

 

 

Step 3 - Select the files you want and click "Add".

 

 

Step 4 - Click "Close" to close that window. (Any artist/title info would be entered now.)

 

 

Step 5 - Click the "Burn" button.

 

 

Step 6 - Select your preferred burner and burn speed, and click "Okay". Sit back and watch das blinkin' lights!

 

 

I had screen shots for each step, but I'm not home, and apparently they didn't get kept when I was trying to get them uploaded last night.... I'll try to fix that later today, but you can see that the steps for Music Disc Creator very closely match what you did in ECDC 5.

[cdanteek]

6) go home an open EMC9

7) click on the "wrench Icon" to get the settings.

 

 

Richard Fdisk.exe,

I see no "wrench Icon" In Roxio Creator 9 Home.

 

Under the Home screen, up top tools, options, advanced. I get select drive speed, for CD and DVD. I show 4x to 48x for CD and 1x to 16x for DVD. That is for the burner in the drop down box. This could change with media loaded reading Available Write Descriptor's or a different burner selected.

 

cd

[d_deweywright]

tbrewst;

 

if I switch it (in the "data" section) on the LE set from DAO to TAO I get gapped CD's on this machine. (weird).

 

Cheers

◄RfD►

Did you try using Music Disc Creator as Terry suggested?

 

Programs -> Roxio/Sonic -> Audio -> Music Disc Creator

 

Music Disc Creator doesn't even have an option for TAO recording.

[d_deweywright]

d_deweywright

 

O.K. I will give you the full details

 

 

34) if it's different chuck the disk in the bin and visit Roxio forum to see if anyone else has seen this.

 

_

I don't have a CD player I just use a diskman and my PC

 

Hope this clairifies the process I use.

 

Now, the next question has been asked at least twice before, and you haven't answered, have you tried using Music Disc Creator? I'm attaching to images, the first of Roxio Home with the Audio CD option open, the second of Music Disc Creator. Which image matches what you're using?

as for that question I answered it,

I said I haven't been bothered to try anymore burning because I received info from "LiteOn IT" support

and they told me I can't use the drive to burn @ 4x regardless of disk and I'm waiting for LG to let

me know if it's the same story (wouldn't be surprised a bit).

 

Cheers

RD

Okay... that helps clarify things. Actually, even your diskman, or probably even Windows Media Player should do the "count-up" if the disc was written in TAO mode, so you could take a look on either of those devices.

 

As for the speed issue, I understand your reluctance to burn a disc at the higher speed, but, they're not that expensive for a test or two (heck, I wasted two discs doing my tests for you here). I'm still not clear that you have or have not tried Music Disc Creator. It's worth trying it even if you waste one disc to see if it gives you the DAO burning that you need.

 

So, yes or no, have you tried using Music Disc Creator to burn your Audio CD?

 

Thanks!

[Richard Fdisk.exe]

d_deweywright;

 

Thanks for all the help, I will get on this this weekend as noted before, right now

The onsite office laptop is in the drawer because were doing a few renos to the

room's organization of things and there's junk all over the desk right now,

so all of the CD burning is taking place on the Desktop Using ECDC 5

( lovin' it, it's so easy).

 

Cheers

RfD,

[Richard Fdisk.exe]

Richard Fdisk.exe,

I see no "wrench Icon" In Roxio Creator 9 Home.

 

Under the Home screen, up top tools, options, advanced. I get select drive speed, for CD and DVD. I show 4x to 48x for CD and 1x to 16x for DVD. That is for the burner in the drop down box. This could change with media loaded reading Available Write Descriptor's or a different burner selected.

 

cd

 

CD

 

I don't have the "Home" Version I have whatever the "next one up?" is called, I don't have it in front of me now.

 

but when I open it from "quicklaunch", I moved it there from the "desktop" because I don't like a cluttered desktop and select a project, either a Data CD / DVD or Audio CD (which is all I ever want/need to do anyway). the wrech Icon is at the bottom right corner box but however I get to it, either from the menus or the wrench I can't set burn speed defaults like I can in the Roxio Creator Dell Edition (OEM) as I mentioned before.

 

also any Ideas as to why the DAO isn't doing DAO but adding the two second gaps like TAO does?

 

THX

RfD

[tbrewst]

I don't know what you're looking at but I don't see a "wrench" anywhere,either for audio or data.If you look under Tools,Options you'll notice that DAO is only set for Data discs.The choice is not there under Audio.

 

Another thing to try is go to Start,Roxio EMC9,Audio,Music Disc Creator.Make your audio cd's from there.When you do set the Transition to the overlap symbol and see if you get the desired effect.

[Richard Fdisk.exe]

I don't know what you're looking at but I don't see a "wrench" anywhere,either for audio or data.If you look under Tools,Options you'll notice that DAO is only set for Data discs.The choice is not there under Audio.

 

Another thing to try is go to Start,Roxio EMC9,Audio,Music Disc Creator.Make your audio cd's from there.When you do set the Transition to the overlap symbol and see if you get the desired effect.

 

tbrewst:

 

Start

» Programs

» Sonic / Roxio (either may appear; at home it's "Sonic" at work it's "Roxio")

» Creator Home or Home (either may appear; at home it's "Home" at work it's "Creator Home")

 

I'd put a pic but I don't know how!

 

THX

RfD

 

Edit:

Neither copy of EMC that I work on has a "Tansition" button/symbol/icon

Edit again:

I found a pic from somewhere else, (i think I figured out how to do this but I can't post my own screen shots)

this isn't exactly the same but the bottom is almost identical, it has a different Icon but at the bottom to the right of the burner name is the small box with the continue button, (burn button on mine) and the icon for settings on both copies I use, that icon is a wrench.

 

[Richard Fdisk.exe]

d_deweywright

"So, yes or no, have you tried using Music Disc Creator to burn your Audio CD?"

 

 

Which one is this,

 

if it's the one you get to by going through the "Creator Classic" mode then no

I haven't used that, because when I start "Classic" mode, it's harder to navigate around in it.

 

if it's the one on the "Home" menu » "Audio Disk" » "Audio CD" then that's the one I've tried to use.

 

on the Creator LE Dell Edition all I get is the "Home" menu and there's no "Creator Classic" mode.

 

I just wish that the EMC 9 "Classic" did what ECDC 5 does;

1> pops open a menu "Select a Project"

2> select Audio CD

3> add tracks (always sorted by alphabetical order Track01 to Track## never had to rearrange on ECDC5)

4> push burn

5> then select disk type and burn speed

6> click ok

7> disk burns while I go to the store for a snack etc.

8> come back and test disk

9> never burned a coaster with ECDC5

 

see "Flash from the past"

 

so far only the one on the "Home" menu behaves similar, only with an extra step

in the add process (have to select the tracks in reverse order, from the bottom up

to get the correct order)

 

I'll try and get on this this weekend and inform you here as to the results.

 

Cheers

RfD

 

Edit: @ 15:34 MDT (-7:00 GMT)

 

I just had a Brain Flash:

Funny how my brain works that way sometimes,

(sometimes it's great and sometimes an annoyance, because the problem's

solution is rigth in front of me but can't see it for the life of me but go away

and do something else and "Flash" here's a possible solution, other days I

get the "Flash" in less than a few minutes, that's when it's great.)

 

so here's the "Flash";

I have an older P4 that I have apart right now so I can upgrade the

HD (bad bad crash 0sectors recoverable).

 

I can pull the CD Burner out of that and test with that.

(and I know I can do 4X with that one).

 

Let you know how it goes.

RfD

[Richard Fdisk.exe]

Hi all;

 

when I add tracks the "PreGap" column all show "0" in the column except the first one because that can't be changed, but even with them showing "0" I still get gapped CD's (weird).

 

I haven't had a chance to try the other method and I really haven't been bothered to do it, because I got a hold of LiteOn IT about the "Burn Speed" Issue and they told me "it's a drive thing, regardless of the disk put in it, it won't burn less than 15x, so I'll be looking for another burner first, also I'm still waiting on LG for a response to the same speed issue but it's probably the same thing,

(no one wants anyone to be able to make distribution quality burns; DRM Strikes again).

 

THX

RfD

[Richard Fdisk.exe]

Keep in mind that it's been shown that most drives are optimized from the factory to burn "best" at or near their maximum rated speed. In some cases, burning slower actually produces a disc with more errors.

 

Oh... and you never answered the question about the "count-up" issue between songs. Is it counting from -0:02 up to 0:00 before the song starts?

 

About counting up: none of my disks that I have here do that they just jump to the next track I however don't know about the last one that was fried because it's been smashed and will never play again. (but I do know that it had two second gaps jammed in to it because some of the places where the track was supposed to start was at the split of the space of ½ a breath between spoken words in the original file and the burned disk had major gaps on those tracks which aren't there in the original file).

 

also the "Optimized to burn @ or near max" I don't believe that for 1 second because every disk that I test with the ----'s (brand name won't mention) disk testing utility shows 0, count 'em 0 errors for disks burned @ 4x, and the last ones I tried to make at home showed so many spikes in the error count screen that it told me the disk wasn't reliable and when I took it in to the office to finish the project it took over 6 minutes for the ECC function of the drive to copy a useable copy of the 500MB file to the HD. (and I could hear the drive spinnig up and down and up and down and up and the laser being move rapidly back and forth to read and re-read and re-read again to get all the ECC info).

 

» there is one other test that I can do, and that is to actually split words with track markers and then make a disk from that and if there is any space in the wor ds on the bur ned di sk it wi ll be audi ble. but if this older CD/RW from the P4 will work , I probably won't bother and just use the DVD/CD for DATA DVD's only.

(haven't tested the drive yet because I just plugged it in with a EIDE-USB2 adaptor to see if it would show me i could change the burn speed. and it does so I've ordered a EIDE-SATA adaptor I will test it this way)

 

I appreciate the dialog and tips and Ideas

 

 

THX

RfD

 

Cheers

«RfD»

[d_deweywright]

About counting up: none of my disks that I have here do that they just jump to the next track I however don't know about the last one that was fried because it's been smashed and will never play again. (but I do know that it had two second gaps jammed in to it because some of the places where the track was supposed to start was at the split of the space of ½ a breath between spoken words in the original file and the burned disk had major gaps on those tracks which aren't there in the original file).

 

also the "Optimized to burn @ or near max" I don't believe that for 1 second because every disk that I test with the ----'s (brand name won't mention) disk testing utility shows 0, count 'em 0 errors for disks burned @ 4x, and the last ones I tried to make at home showed so many spikes in the error count screen that it told me the disk wasn't reliable and when I took it in to the office to finish the project it took over 6 minutes for the ECC function of the drive to copy a useable copy of the 500MB file to the HD. (and I could hear the drive spinnig up and down and up and down and up and the laser being move rapidly back and forth to read and re-read and re-read again to get all the ECC info).

 

» there is one other test that I can do, and that is to actually split words with track markers and then make a disk from that and if there is any space in the wor ds on the bur ned di sk it wi ll be audi ble. but if this older CD/RW from the P4 will work , I probably won't bother and just use the DVD/CD for DATA DVD's only.

(haven't tested the drive yet because I just plugged it in with a EIDE-USB2 adaptor to see if it would show me i could change the burn speed. and it does so I've ordered a EIDE-SATA adaptor I will test it this way)

 

I appreciate the dialog and tips and Ideas

THX

RfD

 

Cheers

«RfD»

Okay... if none of the discs are counting up, then they are NOT being burned in TAO mode, and are indeed being burned in DAO mode. So the problem is then a matter of how the files are being split and whether they're on a frame/sector boundary or not, and possibly other "file handling" issues.

 

Let me offer another piece of software to try, CDWAVE. It's written to only split .WAV files on CD sector boundaries.

 

As for EAC spinning up and down while reading a disc, yes, it definitely sounds like there are issues with the way it was written. But for clarities sake, it was not trying" to read and re-read and re-read again to get all the ECC info" because there is no ECC data on an Audio CD. On an Audio CD, each sector holds 2352 bytes of audio information. On a Data CD, each sector holds 2048 (2K) of data, and 304 byte of ECC information. EAC was just trying to get a "clean" read.

 

If you're getting "half-breath" breaks, then again, it's not a DAO/TAO problem, it's a problem with the way the tracks are split, and again, I would recommend trying CDWAVE, at least for testing. It's a full blown shareware application (not crippled) and well worth registering in my mind.

 

Standard disclaimer, I receive no remuneration for suggesting CDWAVE. I am merely a satisfied user of the application which provides a function not available in the EMC suite.

[tbrewst]

Ok,so if you hit that button (wrench or options) the options box pops up.If you look under Audio in none of the 3 sections can I find anything that allows you to adjust that.If you look under Data then you fnd controls for DAO and TAO.I'm not sure that those data settings affect the making of an Audio cd.

I see now that in the LE edition you get the Sonic modules (Record Now) to use from the Home application.

[Richard Fdisk.exe]

Okay... if none of the discs are counting up, then they are NOT being burned in TAO mode, and are indeed being burned in DAO mode. So the problem is then a matter of how the files are being split and whether they're on a frame/sector boundary or not, and possibly other "file handling" issues.

 

Let me offer another piece of software to try, CDWAVE. It's written to only split .WAV files on CD sector boundaries.

 

As for EAC spinning up and down while reading a disc, yes, it definitely sounds like there are issues with the way it was written. But for clarities sake, it was not trying" to read and re-read and re-read again to get all the ECC info" because there is no ECC data on an Audio CD. On an Audio CD, each sector holds 2352 bytes of audio information. On a Data CD, each sector holds 2048 (2K) of data, and 304 byte of ECC information. EAC was just trying to get a "clean" read.

 

If you're getting "half-breath" breaks, then again, it's not a DAO/TAO problem, it's a problem with the way the tracks are split, and again, I would recommend trying CDWAVE, at least for testing. It's a full blown shareware application (not crippled) and well worth registering in my mind.

 

Standard disclaimer, I receive no remuneration for suggesting CDWAVE. I am merely a satisfied user of the application which provides a function not available in the EMC suite.

 

 

^No it wasn't an audio CD That I brought back to the office (I smashed the bombed one)

 

I brought back to the office a Data CD (which does have the ECC bytes) of the original whole file (Not the tracks) from home so that I could create an audio CD Master here,

Burned at 4x w/ ECDC 5 on a 2003 P4 Dell Optiplex GX270 3.0GHz and the NEC DVD/CD RW of the same year.

 

thanks for the suggestion, right now I'm using Adobe Audition ($450.00 approx) in "Edit View" Mode which has a "Snapping" Setting of "Snap to Frames" and when I'm making tracks I set the time scale to "CD 75 fps" and set the Snapping to "Snap to Frames" so every track ends on a CD compatible frame but even if a portion of a frame or a few frames get added to the tracks during burn the amount of displacement wouldn't be a full 2 seconds which the Audio CD I tried making at home had.

also, when I'm about to lay a track marker, I zoom it right out to "samples" so there's no missing the frame, because it won't lay the track marker unless the "frame" boundary is visible on the screen.

if it's not on the screen you can click "Add Cue" all day and it won't put one there untill the waveform display is moved to where a "Frame Boundary" is showing.

then when all of the Track markers are in place I zoom the view out to 100% and change the "Snapping Rules" to "Snap to Cues" and turn off "frames" if frames aren't turned off at this stage it won't snap to Cues,

it's from this point that I make the selection and "Save Selection as..." which gives a perfectly formed track file with an exact frame count and I always split right on a "Second" boundary meaning 0:04:0#:00

no partial seconds thus giving an exact track length divisible by 75 (eg. 0:03:59:00, 0:04:00:00, 0:04:01:00, etc.)

 

The "Half Breath" is where I manually split the file with a Track marker not what's going wrong,

but when that "half breath" between words becomes 2 seconds of dead silence not even registering on the VUE meters I know that 2 seconds was added, between the track.

(Adobe Audition Extract Audio From CD Showed the 11 track Cd to be a full 40 seconds longer than the original file)

 

Cheers

RfD

 

Standard disclaimer, I receive no remuneration for the Mention Adobe Audition. I am merely a satisfied user of the application which provides many functions not available in the EMC suite.

[Richard Fdisk.exe]

Ok,so if you hit that button (wrench or options) the options box pops up.If you look under Audio in none of the 3 sections can I find anything that allows you to adjust that.If you look under Data then you fnd controls for DAO and TAO.I'm not sure that those data settings affect the making of an Audio cd.

I see now that in the LE edition you get the Sonic modules (Record Now) to use from the Home application.

 

tbrewst;

 

if I switch it (in the "data" section) on the LE set from DAO to TAO I get gapped CD's on this machine. (weird).

 

Cheers

◄RfD►

[Richard Fdisk.exe]

Still not happy here;

 

I pulled the older "CD RW" only (no DVD's) drive from the P4 to test it and;

 

> from the the "Options" menu, I can actually change the write speed to 2x, 4x, 8x, 10x, 16x, 24x, 36x, or 48x; on this drive if I want to. Definitely be using 4x

 

but

> in the Music Disk Creator I can't set the burn speed to 4x it won't even go down to 8x which I would never burn that fast anyway, it just says 48x and only gives 3 options when I put any brand of CD in.

 

I'll test the Drive with the "Audio CD creator" from the "Sonic Creator" app

(I can change the burn speed on it but with this drive only)

and hope I don't get a gapped CD

 

Cheers

◄RfD►

[d_deweywright]

Hi all;

 

when I add tracks the "PreGap" column all show "0" in the column except the first one because that can't be changed, but even with them showing "0" I still get gapped CD's (weird).

 

I haven't had a chance to try the other method and I really haven't been bothered to do it, because I got a hold of LiteOn IT about the "Burn Speed" Issue and they told me "it's a drive thing, regardless of the disk put in it, it won't burn less than 15x, so I'll be looking for another burner first, also I'm still waiting on LG for a response to the same speed issue but it's probably the same thing,

(no one wants anyone to be able to make distribution quality burns; DRM Strikes again).

 

THX

RfD

Is it really a full two seconds? And are you certain there is no silence at the end/beginning of the tracks? (Look at them in Sound Editor.) If it's actually a short gap, more of a blip, then the explanation is entirely different.

 

Let us know.

[Richard Fdisk.exe]

Is it really a full two seconds? And are you certain there is no silence at the end/beginning of the tracks? (Look at them in Sound Editor.) If it's actually a short gap, more of a blip, then the explanation is entirely different.

 

Let us know.

 

 

d_deweywright

 

It is a full 2 seconds because

1) I create the whole cd file in Adobe Audition and specifically select the track length by adding cues at specific times and

2) then create the individual track files from the cues by "snapping" the highlight to the cue and then selecting "Save Selection As"

3) after the CD is created I open the original file and set the "Syncronize Cursor Across Windows"

4) then use "Extract Audio From CD"

5) once the file is extracted I select the cue window and look at the time frames (start / end)

6) then pick a cue on the actual file display and switch between files

7) if there is a difference it shows on both the cue list and the wave form display

8) if there's a difference I open WiMP 9 and look at the track lengths and compare to the original file.

9) and so far every disk burned @ home has been zapped by the 2 second add on, and or fried by too high a burn speed..

 

I do this for my job, what the contract entails right now is to take old mono tape archives and convert them to CD's and internet MP3 files so far I can only make the CD's at the office and can do nothing on the home PC because I can't even make a decent DATA CD due to the excessive burn speed that the drive uses, as well as the problem with the 2 second gapping.

 

but I've never had this problem with the on site Laptop (using Creator LE Dell Edition) or on the on site desktop (using ECDC 5.x Platinum)

and I've burned hundreds of disks and only made coasters from bad disks.

 

Cheers

RD