High Speed CDs

[jrj0]

I've been trying to format and use some new CD R/W that are 12x and seem to get errors and errors everytime they are formatted. Is 7.5 compatible with the newer CDs or do I need to upgrade to 9?

[waarnold]

Thank you for taking the time and effort to explain to me the reasons for being careful of this media. I did not know the technical arguments against it. I will take your advice.

 

 

 

I don't know Lynn's idea of a long time, but, I have Rewritable CDs right now that I made 10 years ago and they read without a problem. I am now updating them to the later DVD disks. The difference being, I originally created them with Easy CD Creator 4.01 from Adaptec, not the versions since Roxio took over. The CD's are from the Smart & Friendly group if you remember them. One of the first to make CDs. My Sony made NEC drive still formats the slow, Old cds without a problem. The biggest quirk I have is using CD/DVD made on roxio and trying to use them with Nero. But, there are quirks in both so I try to balance between them. And, the RW CDs are much better than the old floppies and many people trusted the floppy and still do.

[lynn98109]

I don't know Lynn's idea of a long time, but, I have Rewritable CDs right now that I made 10 years ago and they read without a problem. I am now updating them to the later DVD disks. The difference being, I originally created them with Easy CD Creator 4.01 from Adaptec, not the versions since Roxio took over. The CD's are from the Smart & Friendly group if you remember them. One of the first to make CDs. My Sony made NEC drive still formats the slow, Old cds without a problem. The biggest quirk I have is using CD/DVD made on roxio and trying to use them with Nero. But, there are quirks in both so I try to balance between them. And, the RW CDs are much better than the old floppies and many people trusted the floppy and still do.

Around 2002 a new coating was discovered for RW media, which is cheaper and shorter-lasting. Older RW media can hold up for quite a while, especiallyif not erased and re-written. Formatting it for Packet-Writing seems to speed up the fading-out.

 

However, congratulations on being one of the lucky ones.

 

I do NOT recommend RW media for long-term storage. Carrying files to another computer when the oriignal file is still safely on the original computer is ok, but other than that, use R media.

 

Lynn

[james_hardin]

Arnold: Lynn is correct, times have changed and your RW's of today are not your fathers RW's!!!

 

FYI: no prior version of DCD or D2D discs are compatible with V9 D2D. They can be Read, but not Written.

 

FYI: V9 was the last version of Roxio to include a Packet Writer! It was dumped in V10 and Nero is dumping theirs as well.

 

So you might want to find a different way to store your data that will be here in another 10 years!

[lynn98109]

The question is whether your BURNER can do 12x CD-RW. What is the id string? (right-click My Computer . Properties > Hardware > Device Manager > click on the DVD/CD-ROM icon, and type the id string exactly - character for character, space for space).

 

While we are at it - I hope you are not using RW media for long-term backups ...

 

Lynn

[james_hardin]

Lynn: He is using RW media andhe is using packet writing and he wants high speed burning!!!

 

This poster is in the fast lane to disaster and wants our help getting there???

 

But as Lynn indicates, it has absolutely nothing to do with the program! It is strictly between your burner and your media, Roxio will burn at the highest speed your burner says the media is actually capable of handling.

[jrj0]

I've been trying to format and use some new CD R/W that are 12x and seem to get errors and errors everytime they are formatted. Is 7.5 compatible with the newer CDs or do I need to upgrade to 9?

i HAVE TWO DEVICES: A CDR/E & DVD R AND A CDR/W & DVDR.W

LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1P USB Device

HL-DT-ST CDRW/DVD GCC4244

bOTH EXIBIT THE SAME PROBLES IN PREPARING 12X cdS.

 

No, nopt fr backus as in archives, but in extra copies of what is on the PC.

[ogdens]

i HAVE TWO DEVICES: A CDR/E & DVD R AND A CDR/W & DVDR.W

LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1P USB Device

HL-DT-ST CDRW/DVD GCC4244

bOTH EXIBIT THE SAME PROBLES IN PREPARING 12X cdS.

 

No, nopt fr backus as in archives, but in extra copies of what is on the PC.

 

 

Re read post #3.

 

Try using Creator Classic instead of formatting the CD (use CD-R's) and using Drag to Disc.

[gi7omy]

The Liteon drive is theoretically capable of burning to rewritable at the following rates

DVD-RW 6x

DVD+RW 8x

CD-RW 32x

DVD-RAM 12x

 

However - what you need to remember is that these are the absolute MAXIMUM speeds and that's never achieved until the end of the burn - all writers start slower and work up speed as they progress into the write cycle. Roxio will tell you the instantaneous burn speed - if it's a full disc, you won't see anything like the maximum rate until almost the end of the disc

[jrj0]

Lynn: He is using RW media andhe is using packet writing and he wants high speed burning!!!

 

This poster is in the fast lane to disaster and wants our help getting there???

 

But as Lynn indicates, it has absolutely nothing to do with the program! It is strictly between your burner and your media, Roxio will burn at the highest speed your burner says the media is actually capable of handling.

I guess I don't understand your concern. Or maybe I'm mistating the issue. I use CDs to move documents between computers not on a network. I may use a CD for a short time backup of a file or files until I make another regular backup of those files (weekly). Usually the files are very important. Otherwise we have a backup system that keeps files on hard disk.

 

When I say "high speed" I am trying to differentiate between the slower CDs of several years ago and the 12x on store shelves today. I can't readily find the slower CDs so I have to use the 12x CDs. But I can't use them due to my inability to format them.

[Guest ml]

What version of Easy Media Creator are you using?

 

*** Make certain that you've checked for updates for those burners from the manufacturer's websites.

 

If there is a problem with the burners recognizing the CDs, that can cause errors.

 

I'm not certain if this is available in Drag to Disk (because I never use it), but many burner manufacturers recommend that you burn at a lower rate to avoid write errors.

[d_deweywright]

Arnold: Lynn is correct, times have changed and your RW's of today are not your fathers RW's!!!

 

FYI: no prior version of DCD or D2D discs are compatible with V9 D2D. They can be Read, but not Written.

 

FYI: V9 was the last version of Roxio to include a Packet Writer! It was dumped in V10 and Nero is dumping theirs as well.

 

So you might want to find a different way to store your data that will be here in another 10 years!

Though... for completeness, it should be stated that Vista (at least some flavors of it) have native packet writing built in. (Not that I'm advocating its use.) And only one packet writing application can be installed at a time, and I doubt Microsoft has built in an option to uninstall their packet writer.

 

jrj0, have you tried different brands of RW discs? If not, your issues could be solved simply by finding a different brand of disc that your drive likes.

 

Remember, you can also use RW discs with Creator Classic, and the disc can still be erased and reused.

[jrj0]

RW media will fade out over time, for the same reason it can be erased and re-used.

 

Packet-Writing has a tendancy to be fussy at best, and can fail for any reason or none at all.

 

Using them together is more likely to cause a disaster than using them seperately.

 

The faster you burn, the liklier there are to be errors.

 

My suggestion would be if you don't want to use CD-R, get a couple of Flash drives (aka Jump / Pen / Thumb / Keychain drives).

 

Or at least just use UNFORMATTED RW media - not that you are guaranteed it'll not fail, but you will definately reduce the risk you are running. And don't try to run a race when you burn.

 

Lynn

After reading your reply I tried to investigate the pros and cons of various media types and came up lacking. Is there any definitive work on the reliability of CDs and DVDs and the like that might be eye-openning to me?

[gi7omy]

Try here for "Introduction to CD Recording" from the University of Leicester

[lynn98109]

RW media will fade out over time, for the same reason it can be erased and re-used.

 

Packet-Writing has a tendancy to be fussy at best, and can fail for any reason or none at all.

 

Using them together is more likely to cause a disaster than using them seperately.

 

The faster you burn, the liklier there are to be errors.

 

My suggestion would be if you don't want to use CD-R, get a couple of Flash drives (aka Jump / Pen / Thumb / Keychain drives).

 

Or at least just use UNFORMATTED RW media - not that you are guaranteed it'll not fail, but you will definately reduce the risk you are running. And don't try to run a race when you burn.

 

Lynn

[jrj0]

RW media will fade out over time, for the same reason it can be erased and re-used.

 

Packet-Writing has a tendancy to be fussy at best, and can fail for any reason or none at all.

 

Using them together is more likely to cause a disaster than using them seperately.

 

The faster you burn, the liklier there are to be errors.

 

My suggestion would be if you don't want to use CD-R, get a couple of Flash drives (aka Jump / Pen / Thumb / Keychain drives).

 

Or at least just use UNFORMATTED RW media - not that you are guaranteed it'll not fail, but you will definately reduce the risk you are running. And don't try to run a race when you burn.

 

Lynn

Thank you for taking the time and effort to explain to me the reasons for being careful of this media. I did not know the technical arguments against it. I will take your advice.

[lynn98109]

You're welcome.

 

My software guru warned me but I didn't believe it, and managed to learn the Hard Way. Luckily, it turned out I didn't really need the 80% of the data on the formatted CD-RW that wasn't also on the Hard Drive.

 

Lynn