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The New Sound Editor in EMC 9 is nowhere as user friendly as it was in ECDC 5.

I would like to take a Song and adjust the volume or decrease the volume of the ENTIRE song and not a fade in or fade out. Would someone be so kind as to explain how this is accomplished. I would like to decrease by 20% and eliminate clipping. I over leveled a few songs on ECDC 5 and would like to reduce the volumn to original or close. I played with the new Sound Editor and went to the Help Menu and left more frustrated than I arrived. I will Vote for the simple process in Easy CD Creator 5 as being Superior to EMC 9.

 

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Man, I remember the EMC 7 version of Sound Editor. It was great, but involved about 15 extra steps than what can be done with the Sound Editor in EMC 7.5, 8, and now 9.

 

What is in EMC 7, pales in comparison to what is later versions, and I am glad that the engineers actually listened to folks who suggested improvements.

 

So, you see, it is a matter of "different strokes for different folks".

 

Be more specific; what are these 15 steps? I am not doing any steps that I don't WANT to do.

Let me be more specific on my part; I am an IT Professional in the the corporate world and have experience with many kinds of software. I have a sideline of remastering vinyl to CD. This is a labor of love. I have done just over 1000 records. I am fanatic for sound quality. Many of my friends who are dedicated audiophiles say my CD's are superior to factory CD's.

To be able to achieve this quality I need to have control over every step of the process. I don't want the software to anything I can't tailor to my own desire. Case in point: removing "Clicks & Pops". If you use the removal tool that is part of Roxio apps and listen to the the result on an audiophile grade system you will find that the cure is worse than the disease. I don't use it at all. I have developed my own methods of removing clicks but it must be done one by one. (I told you this was a labor of love) The Sound Editor GUI in EMC 7.0 allows me to find the exact spot where I need to work. I have a hard time with the later versions.

There are some things good about the new GUI but for my puposes EMC 7.0 seems to be the best.

In an unrelated issue, I just tried to burn multiple copies of a data CD for the company using two computers each with two drives. I was burning from a disc image. I would select "Burn from disc image", "10 copies", and it would burn the first two but when the progress graph reached "100%" on both drives, instead of asking for more blanks the computer would just lock up.

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I wish I could have saved my older computers, unfortunately, I needed to expand Ram and Hard drive storage and speed, and grapghics and sound and and and and and ended up with XP. I guess I am still locked in the vinyl world where sound was pure and clean and not binary code and muffled and compressed. The days of wow and flutter, THD, adjacent image rejection and SPL are over..... So sad......BUT hope is that everything travels in cycles and as Vinyl is having a come back, the audiophiles will soon learn they have a tool with the PC and not a Replacement for their Stereos.

Unfortunately, the problem there is in the engineering and post processing, not the medium. Go back to some early commercial CDs, maybe not the very first ones, but shortly thereafter. Do you recall all the touting of the "silent noise floor" and "expanded dynamic range" available on CDs? Well, it's still there, but it's not being used.

 

One of the first rules when doing a double-blind listening test is to exactly match the two signals in volume, because if one is even "imperceptibly" louder, it will usually be perceived as sounding "better". As such, I'm convinced that the folks higher-up are forcing the engineers to compress and limit the music to make it sound "louder" when played back. Which, of course, destroys the real sound of the music, and voids the advantages of the digital media. No self-respecting recording engineer would do that unless he was forced to.

 

The other thing is that the audience obviously is not being educated on what "good sound" really is. That may be partly due to some of the musical styles being put out today, that in my mind aren't terribly "musical". But, the definition of "bad music" is, "music somebody else likes."

 

Oh... you might try doing a custom install of ECDC 5, and just install Sound Stream, which might include Sound Editor on your XP system. That may give you part of what you want.

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Not feeling insulted, on the contrary, I value your advice and comments.

Static is not so much a problem in our generally damp climate, and for recording purposes I find that playing the LP once or twice straight through before recording pretty well dissipates any static that might have been generated when pulling the LP out of its sleeve. I rarely have trouble with crackle, it's mostly clicks for me.

 

Not sure that the Roxio forum is really the place for a detailed discussion of turntables and needles but as we've started, we may as well continue...

The cartridge I use is an Audio-Technica OC9 dual moving coil. I've had it for about 20 years now, though there were prolonged periods when I was working away from home that it wasn't used. But it plays as well now as when first installed. At the time, at least, it was highly regarded.

The turntable is mid- rather than high- end, but I think good quality (Thorens TD 2001). It allows one to adjust tracking angle, antiskating and weight pretty accurately, as well as accurate levelling of the table ( a 3kg balanced platter). It is belt driven on a suspended chassis and after letting it settle down for half a minute or so, it's rotational speed is very steady. Very little rumble. And yes, it does have a lid which I close when playing :-).

 

Maybe the deterioration over time of my system's output is nicely matched by the inevitable deterioration, with age, of my ears, but I've not yet felt the need to upgrade. If I did it would probably be the turntable: any suggestions?

By the way, I suppose you've seen the laser turntables? For a mere $10,000 you could avoid all contact with the vinyl surface...

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I was extremely happy with Easy CD Creator 5 Plat and the Audio capture section, it was such a common sense execution for the task. It was effecient, easy and did it very well. It had options for effects, EQ and Normalizer. It allowed me to select how much of the Nosie filtering I wanted to apply. I rarely used Filters for the reason I stated earlier.

 

 

All those features (and others) are in Sound Editor of EMC 9. It really does seem to me that because the GUI may be somewhat different from what you are used to, you have been too quick to dismiss it as a retrograde version, and not taken the time to explore it. I can only suggest that you persevere and overcome the 'shock of the new'.

 

I too do a lot of vinyl transfer to CD (mainly Western and Indian classical music, some jazz, some traditional folk) and although I do not claim to be a perfectionist, I do aim at a high standard and only apply filters occasionally, and then very selectively to specific sections. Some of my LPs (many now 40+ years old :-)) are worn and scratched and it may take me several hours of manual editing to clean up one track. Like you, I use PCM .wav format (stereo, 44,100Hz, 16 bit) throughout (EMC 9 gives an option to record at 48,000Hz, but 44,100 is what most commercial Audio CDs use).

 

I am not saying that Sound Editor 9 is perfect by any means, it lacks some features I need and others are not as flexible as I would like. But for the price, and bearing in mind that its target market is the general public and not audio specialists, it does about 95% of what I want. As d_deweywright said, to get to 100% you need a toolbox of apps, using each for their best features.

 

An alternative is to invest thousands of dollars in a professional sound editing studio and specialist software. As I am neither a professional sound engineer nor an absolute perfectionist that is not an option I have explored.

 

As for your comment in your later post

 

the audiophiles will soon learn they have a tool with the PC and not a Replacement for their Stereos.

 

I agree with that. I use my stereo system to listen to music. I have both high quality turntable and CD player components in the system, so can play either. But I do find that I prefer to listen to CDs. Even though the quality of the sound may in some cases be inferior to what is achievable on vinyl, I find the clicks and crackles more distracting. That's why I use my PC as a tool to transfer from vinyl to CD :-).

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The Sound Editor GUI in EMC 7.0 allows me to find the exact spot where I need to work. I have a hard time with the later versions.

 

I have no problems in EMC 9 Sound Editor expanding the time line to exactly the point where I need to work. It expands to 0.01 second intervals; clicks have an easily recognisable signature of a few msec duration and can, with care, be excised without distortion or audible interruption in the music.

 

If you really need something even more detailed, Exact Audio Copy is another app you might like to try. It has a .wav editor that lets you zoom in and edit each recorded sample.

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dewey

 

I will look into the software you listed.

 

I was extremely happy with Easy CD Creator 5 Plat and the Audio capture section, it was such a common sense execution for the task. It was effecient, easy and did it very well. It had options for effects, EQ and Normalizer. It allowed me to select how much of the Nosie filtering I wanted to apply. I rarely used Filters for the reason I stated earlier.

Ver 9 seems to be turning its back on the tasks that many people bought the software for. I could care less for video or photos, those should be sold SEPERATELY and for the capturing of audio and making CDs etc should be all by itself. Seems the simplicity left as well as the effectiveness when they decided to have a collage of software. I use to be an Aviation Ordnance Technician and we were called "Jack of all trades, masters of none" That seems to fit ver 9.

For Roxio future software versions. If you want to sell your video software as an extra program and make it more effective I would suggest adding a Video Converter, a Video editor, video joiner

and a means to adjust chroma, hue, color, saturation, brightness and contrast etc etc.

Roxio software needs to be sold as SPECIALTY SOFTWARE and the three Basics groups should be Audio, Video and Photos.

Ah... but that's not the market they're aiming for! "All things to all people!" is the mantra, and with good reason. That's where the money is.

 

I got into doing audio before Easy CD Creator, when Spin Doctor used a cut down version of DART for it's declick module. That's when I bought DART 32, and then DART XP Pro, I was never as happy with the subsequent versions of Spin Dr. that used a different algorithm. Oh... but I did prefer Spin Dr. 4's mono-stereo module. Version 5 adds too much reverb for my taste. Some of those old mono records came out very nicely when run through the "stereoizer" of Spin Dr. 4.

 

So, as much as you or anyone may prefer the older applications, I don't see where we'll be able to convince the corporation to do our will. The best we can do for that then is to keep an old PC running Windows 98 or 2000 so we can run some of the old applications. B)

 

... and don't forget Sound Soap.

Yes, I did neglect Sound Soap. It requires XP, so I have to bring out my laptop to use it, but I do. Actually, I've gotten to use it for my denoising over DCART, it's easier to "tone it down" to make it affective without overdoing it.

 

Thanks for the reminder.

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I have a static discharge tool that unzaps the LPs before playing them, The people who use to make Diskwasher( I think) made it, it is about 35 years old and has a piezo crystal in it works well even on the driest of days.

I use a very soft brush to clean out the Grooves and eliminate any dust , for when the smallest dust particle hits the styli of a decent cartdige and syetem it sounds like a roar of thunder.

Use a Magnifying glass and look at the Styli and be sure you do not have vinyl praticles on it and if so, use a soft artist brush and stroke from rear to front ONLY to clean the styli. Stroke it in that direction for it is at a slight angle towards the front of the cartridge.

I've got one of those anti-static "guns" too, as well as the brush for the records and the brush for the stylus, and the diskwasher fluid.

 

Turntable is an Accutrac 2000 (by Heathkit), direct drive, with the original LMA-1 cartridge, tracking around 1.25-1.5 grams. I confess I don't have either granite or Welsh slate under my turntable, but it is "suspended" on a very lightly inflated (squishy) bicycle tube.

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Jean & Dewey

 

I think this forum is EXACTLY where a discussion such as ours should take place. This is why we are buying the software and let the Roxio people see who is using it and for what reasons.

 

Thanks for the replies and I offer no insults to anyone and wanted that said because it is hard to hear voice emphassis when reading text and sometimes can be misunderstood.

 

I have a Rotel TT and it is a direct drive, for I felt back then with a DC servo motor and a direct drive the chance for speed variations would be almost nill. Years later after reading tons of Audiophile mags and Stereo Review ( always favored who did the most advertising) I learned a belt drive would isolate motor vibrations. Something I never considered when I favored the Direct drive.

 

I have a 5 pivot Black Widow tonearm and supposedly the more pivots the better, to a point. The pivots on mine are in a Gyroscope format and the total Tonearm mass is distributed over 5 pivots. Then again friction increases with more pivots, so the arguement goes on.

 

Benogram had the Linear tracking turntable that some what flopped because even though it was looking for a perfect tracking angel start to finished, it had a tendancy to drag against the grooves and tear them out.

 

Thorens was an Excellent turntable. Mine is totally Manual with no automation at all, you pick it up and you place it down, has a damped cue lever that has lost it damp over the years. I think ADC also had a Linear as well as BIC ( low end)

 

I have a Nude Shabita Audio Technica AT 155 LNC Cart and needle and track at less than 3/4 of a gram. I bought several spare styli back then and am on my last one. ( my daughter had used my Turntable for a BArbie Doll Carosel and wiped out my needled and I didn't realize it until I played and LP and totally destroyed it)

 

I had a pretty sizeable CD4 LP collection and had a nice QUAD system for years.

 

 

Turntables are still on Google

 

Thanks for the conversation folks.

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That would be something nice to see as a feature for Roxio a PITCH control, where you could get a plus or minus 5 percent variation.

I tried dubbing a John Fogerty Showtime video (Centerfield thanks concert with Duck Dunn, Booker T, and several others) to an FM Simul cast reel to reel recording and was never able to match the audio to the lips.

The simulcast was done, because in 85 they did not have Stereo/HiFi VHS recorders on the market, so the video was recorded with a mono audio track and I recorded the stereo audio on 10 inch reel to reel at 15ips and would love to get a full sync video of the two. The video is as rare as three dollar bills and there will never be a commercial release of it, due to legal arguements amongst CCR members.

Speaking of which, if you folks want a real good source of recording 6 hours of audio at a tape speed equivalancy of 275 ips, VHS HiFi is the answer. You can record just audio at the EP and because the audio heads are also on the rotating drum, the audio track is laid out in a helical fashion that when stretched out equals about 275 ips. The Dynamic range is awesome as is the S/N. It is better than any 30 ips Master reel to reel copy. LP to VHS for archiving and I have VHS Hifi tapes from 20 years ago that sound just as good today as they did 20 years ago. DVD gives you good recording time, but you get DVD Rot unless you use a good grade and store properly etc etc. Try it. I use to just record Sunsets or what ever for the Video and throw some James Gang in the back ground and Moody Blues etc. Sound quality is superb.

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Jean

 

My Major was Audio Engineering and I had a small Analog Recording Studio using Tascam Equipment. I had a great time and it took many more hours to accomplish what I can NOW accomplish in a few moments on computer.

My LPs are Mint and they go back to the Command Label LPs featuring Enoch Light and many Direct to Disk, I am by no means looking for a subsitute for my Sound System, what I am looking for is bait for my hobby of having fun with music, editing, correcting, making CD Compilations of my collection versus hitting Pause on a reel to reel and waiting for the linear player to reach the spot and hope I can nail it.

I like the idea I have 4000 plus songs on Hard drive and depending on mood, I can have mixes of big Band into Country Swing with Rock thrown in.

I can understand generic programs and intregated software that tries to do everything to appeal to the masses so they can study sales and see what the public wants. My point is the Compact Disk is 25 years old and time for some more tuned software that does accomplishments with todays technology. Photo Suite leaves little that can't be done to a photo and Yes! I do have several photo editing programs because some better what others do not. Roxio seems to be going backwards and not forward from ver 5 and I had just Sound Editor installed and had some problems that pointed to it and had to uninstall it.

My trained ear is when I listen to LPs and not PC PCM WAV but I like playing with audio and it is my hobby now and not my life.

FOR YOUR TURNTABLE, Put a square of foam rubber and then put a square of marble on top and then set your turntable on top of that. That will prevent vibrations from passing into your platter. Play with the dust cover closed to prevent vibrations from making contact with the tonearm. Try to insolate the turntable as much as possible.

There is NO Cd that willl even come close to a LP no matter how it was made. CD-4 Discrete LPs had the rear speaker signals buried between 32k and 70k hz and CDs are only to 20k hz. Cds are data and binary code and do not deteriote from generation to generation. LPs are true sine wave conversions using a floating needle that's shank is floating between two coils.

Have fun and it is time for Specialty Software and not all in ones. Thanks for the Great conversation.

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To Everyone

 

No! I have not had time to try and do what you all suggested, but understand fully what you are implying me to do.

 

I guess my posts are taking time to be posted because someone decided they want to read my posts before they appear.. :lol: ... I feel like a Troop in Europe during WWII. I guess they don't like my stance with the Archiving posts from a few weeks back.. Oh well they will get over it, if not, too bad for them.

 

Moto

 

I to have been dubbing vinyl for several years and have done several thousand and have edited every song. Now knowing that once I convert sine wave into DATA such as PCM WAV, I am compressing to the point I am using a binary code instead of a continuing sine wave. So I have tried to be fussy but there is just so fussy you can get when it comes to PC DATA. One reason I bought Easy CD Creator 5 Plat was the ability to capture from vinyl and the ability to edit the music and cut the silence from the intro and outro of each selection. I found the Normalizer to be great for I only had to select it and it stayed selected and didn't have to be done for each playlist etc. I also found that in Editor if I wanted to decrease or increase the over all volume of the selection it was a very simple process. If I wanted to edit and take out a single word from a song, that too was a simple process. I find ver 9 to be less friendly and I feel that with all the experience I have in this field, it is confusing.

The folks here had some great suggestions, that I will try very soon and logically they sound like they will work. I didn't try them because Fade in and Fade out sounded to me like I was not going to get a FLAT response straight across the entire selection. It sounded I would get a gentle intro to peak and peak to gentle outro. I did not try it for that reason.

I have a very large LP collection and my LPs date back to the 50s and all the way to the early 90s when they stop pressing vinyl. I have little respect for anyone who calls themselves and audiophile and feels they can equal quality thru a computer that they would have on a LP or VHS HiFi. So I fought for years with these people to be sure that LPs would not die and and that CDs were a poor mans subsitute. Well because of price people bought CDs and CD players versus LPs and Needles and Cartridges and turntables etc. I have warm fuzzy feelingsnow because Vinyl is finally on a come back. Thank God. I wanted software that would give me the best control over my recordings and allow me do what I use to do with editing blocks, splicing tape and patience.Roxio has a great product but they do not have true audiophiles who understand vinyl and the needs to edit on their staff. As far as you saying you have a better way to eliminate the POPS and Crackles, I would love to learn it. Because the way I see it with data, if you spill white paint on a DeVinci you can try and remove the white paint, but regardless how hard you try, some of the DeVinci is going to be removed with it. Clue me in to your method, I really would love to learn a way, I don't have many POPs or crackles, because I used a Nude Shibita Audio Technica ATN 155 Cartridge and stylus and tracked at under 3/4 of a gram with a Black Widow Tone arm. My LPs are mint and except for a few that were handled by people who had no clue how to handle an LP, well..... :)

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Jean

 

I am not looking for a Recording Studio for I have Voyetra, Cakewalk and Audio Surgeon for that. Roxio was what I used for capturing LP to PC and then for simple yet specialized tasks after capture. This process I do not witness in ver 9 and that is all I am saying and seems I am not doing well. When I do LIVE recordings I use my Voyetra and Audio Surgeon Software as well as CAKEWALK, but for what use to be simple audio capture and editing I use to use Roxio. You know the Roxio was in place of the Editing Block and Graphic EQ and for other options that were normally found on a little more than a regular Home Audio System of yesteryear.

I am so glad to be talking to someone who has an ear and knowledge of how to listen to Audio, even if it is Welsh Slate ( I Have some Welsh Blood meself), here are some other suggestions you may already know and if not may help.

Never pass your LP over the Tonearm, builds static electricity and causes Pops and crackles.

Have a Good ground and I ran a seperate ground to an 8 foot rod outside from my turntable.

I have a static discharge tool that unzaps the LPs before playing them, The people who use to make Diskwasher( I think) made it, it is about 35 years old and has a piezo crystal in it works well even on the driest of days.

I use a very soft brush to clean out the Grooves and eliminate any dust , for when the smallest dust particle hits the styli of a decent cartdige and syetem it sounds like a roar of thunder.

Use a Magnifying glass and look at the Styli and be sure you do not have vinyl praticles on it and if so, use a soft artist brush and stroke from rear to front ONLY to clean the styli. Stroke it in that direction for it is at a slight angle towards the front of the cartridge.

Check your tracking angle and anti skating to be sure the styli is not dragging against one side of the groove or pushing against the other side, causing un neccesary wear and distortion.

If you have LPs that were played even ONCE by a Conical Needle ( the ones that had LP on one side and 78 on the other) the grooves have been ripped out and you will have a No cure CLIPPING. If the LPs were played using cheap ellipical Styli and tracking too heavy, the same was done. I bought a sizeable collection off of a guy and there were some real special LPs in that collection, when I got home and played them, My God, he must have had a $20 phonogragh and not a turntable, they were all destroyed and yet looked NEW.

If you already know all this and more, please share what you know, for it has been years since I have been able to converse with someone who knew what they were doing and would like to share ideas etc.

 

Hope I didn't insult you in anyway, thanks for the conversation. :)

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Try this and see if it works for you.

Add the track to Sound Editor,highlight the entire track,hit Fade & Volume,set the in and out to the same percentage.This should adjust the volume on the entire track to the percentage you chose.I tried it and it worked

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I have found Sound Editor in EMC 9 to be a powerful and high quality product for the price. With practice I have found it easy to use and its capabilities meet almost all my needs to clean up and otherwise edit audio files. Only occasionally do I also use some of the additional functions available in Exact Audio Copy or SoundSoap.

 

I did of course, have the advantage of never having had v 7.5, so learnt how to use v9 without being hung up on how things were done in earlier versions :-).

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Be more specific; what are these 15 steps? I am not doing any steps that I don't WANT to do.

Let me be more specific on my part; I am an IT Professional in the the corporate world and have experience with many kinds of software. I have a sideline of remastering vinyl to CD. This is a labor of love. I have done just over 1000 records. I am fanatic for sound quality. Many of my friends who are dedicated audiophiles say my CD's are superior to factory CD's.

To be able to achieve this quality I need to have control over every step of the process. I don't want the software to anything I can't tailor to my own desire. Case in point: removing "Clicks & Pops". If you use the removal tool that is part of Roxio apps and listen to the the result on an audiophile grade system you will find that the cure is worse than the disease. I don't use it at all. I have developed my own methods of removing clicks but it must be done one by one. (I told you this was a labor of love) The Sound Editor GUI in EMC 7.0 allows me to find the exact spot where I need to work. I have a hard time with the later versions.

There are some things good about the new GUI but for my puposes EMC 7.0 seems to be the best.

In an unrelated issue, I just tried to burn multiple copies of a data CD for the company using two computers each with two drives. I was burning from a disc image. I would select "Burn from disc image", "10 copies", and it would burn the first two but when the progress graph reached "100%" on both drives, instead of asking for more blanks the computer would just lock up.

moto

moto: Roxio is general consumer suite of programs.

 

If your output is indeed as good as you claim, I cannot imagine why you are not using professional grade software!!!

 

If you have issues or problems how about starting a new thread instead of crashing this one.

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:rolleyes:

 

Thanks for the Great Replies, folks. I will do as you all instruct.

 

I loved ECD MC version 5 and the way Sound Editor worked, it was a matter of selecting the percentage and I could save it for future reference and I only had to click on it. I got spoiled on the older one and had Brain fart after brain Fart trying to get ver 9 to work.

 

I can't use Ver 5 any longer, doesn't support XP or the drives and when I tried to just install the sound editor from 5 it caused some conflicts. I have 7.5 and 8 and 9 and 5 was the best for Sound Editor and for Vinyl copying.

 

Thanks again

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I have found Sound Editor in EMC 9 to be a powerful and high quality product for the price. With practice I have found it easy to use and its capabilities meet almost all my needs to clean up and otherwise edit audio files. Only occasionally do I also use some of the additional functions available in Exact Audio Copy or SoundSoap.

 

I did of course, have the advantage of never having had v 7.5, so learnt how to use v9 without being hung up on how things were done in earlier versions :-).

 

Jean, EMC 7.5's Sound Editor has a similar interface as EMC 8 and EMC 9. He is talking about the Sound Editor in EMC 7, which was very difficult to use, but once you got used to it, it seem like it had a good GUI. It, in fact, did not, but I liked it.

 

What we have now is far superior to the EMC 7 version.

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Jean, EMC 7.5's Sound Editor has a similar interface as EMC 8 and EMC 9. He is talking about the Sound Editor in EMC 7, which was very difficult to use, but once you got used to it, it seem like it had a good GUI. It, in fact, did not, but I liked it.

 

What we have now is far superior to the EMC 7 version.

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No! I am talking about Easy CD Creator 5 Platium Sound Editor..... I bought it several years ago and bought Ver 6 and didn't like the changes and got a refund and stayed with 5 for as long as I could. Then I went with 7.5 and liked it but didn't have it ling enough to use Sound Editor and now have EMC 8 and 9 and am trying to do more vinyl downloading to the computer and correcting some previous songs that are saturating and clipping.

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Jean, EMC 7.5's Sound Editor has a similar interface as EMC 8 and EMC 9. He is talking about the Sound Editor in EMC 7, which was very difficult to use, but once you got used to it, it seem like it had a good GUI. It, in fact, did not, but I liked it.

 

What we have now is far superior to the EMC 7 version.

 

 

My last post didn't post so is correct calling it MY LAST POST???

 

Any way I am referring to Easy CD Creator 5 Platium, that Sound Editor was the BEST. Simple and to the point.

I never had 7.5 long enough to use the Sound Editor, I am trying to get more vinyl to PC now and have to correct some Saturation and clipping in some prior copies.

I also used the old Easy CD Creator 5 Plat to copy my daughters CDs, cedit out the vulgar lyrics and swearing and then copy back to CD for her to listen to. Very easy to use and I miss it.

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OK, I should have said I never had EMC 7, nor EasyCD 5 platinum either:-).

 

The point I was trying to make, and it applies not just to EMC but to other apps, is that when a new version comes out that has a significantly different interface, people used to the older version tend to complain that they can't find/do anything in the new one, whereas newcomers to the app are happy as they don't have to unlearn old tricks. Another example is Paintshop pro. Going from (I think it was 7 to 8 or maybe 8 to 9 when there were major changes in the GUI) generated similar complaints on their user forums, despite the fact that the new versions were much improved.

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I wanted software that would give me the best control over my recordings and allow me do what I use to do with editing blocks, splicing tape and patience.Roxio has a great product but they do not have true audiophiles who understand vinyl and the needs to edit on their staff. As far as you saying you have a better way to eliminate the POPS and Crackles, I would love to learn it. Because the way I see it with data, if you spill white paint on a DeVinci you can try and remove the white paint, but regardless how hard you try, some of the DeVinci is going to be removed with it. Clue me in to your method, I really would love to learn a way, I don't have many POPs or crackles, because I used a Nude Shibita Audio Technica ATN 155 Cartridge and stylus and tracked at under 3/4 of a gram with a Black Widow Tone arm. My LPs are mint and except for a few that were handled by people who had no clue how to handle an LP, well..... :)

I use a combination of programs when I'm working on LPs:

 

CDWave is my preference for the initial capture and then splitting out the tracks. It's small, works well, and only splits on a CD sector boundary so when putting tracks back onto CD in DAO mode, the original flow is maintained.

 

DCART has a good denoiser for continuous noise, and some nice notch filter settings for 60Hz hum, or other sounds.

 

Sound Editor in EMC 9 works okay for some continuous noise work, but it must be applied carefully to not take out too much. The click and pop removal works okay in some cases.

 

DART Pro XP is my preference for declicking. It can get tricked on some sounds, trombones and barry saxes have to be watched very carefully. But it has a nice facility for cutting and pasting the original back into what it may have mutilated. Over continous tones, cutting and pasting a good signal over a "clicked" signal works fairly well too. I also use it for previewing songs as the combination of keyboard and mouse clicks makes it fairly quick to zero in on a click it missed, then using that time reference I can edit by hand in:

 

GoldWave has a very nice feature of being able to "paint" the waveform by hand. Yes, terribly tedious at times, but essential. Once you get an eye for it, you can often repaint the wave form to match what's there and make anything from a horrendous pop to a minor click inaudible.

 

So, there's no one tool that does everything. Just like you have both screwdrivers, wrenches and pliers in your car toolbox, multiple tools in your sound-editing toolbox are necessary too.

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No! I am talking about Easy CD Creator 5 Platium Sound Editor..... I bought it several years ago and bought Ver 6 and didn't like the changes and got a refund and stayed with 5 for as long as I could. Then I went with 7.5 and liked it but didn't have it ling enough to use Sound Editor and now have EMC 8 and 9 and am trying to do more vinyl downloading to the computer and correcting some previous songs that are saturating and clipping.

 

 

I was posting about moto's post, as was Jean. Your post wasn't even showing when I posted, and ECDC 5 wasn't in the mix.

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I must be posting wrong, my two prior posts have NOT posted.

 

I have used every version of Roxio and Sonic, Easy CD Creator 5 Platinium had the easy to use Vinyl dubbing and Sound Editor was by far easier to use and quicker with very few steps.

 

When I bought 6 I instantly got a refund and stayed with 5 for a while longer. Then when it was becoming uncompatable with XP updates and newer DL drives etc, I had to bid a farewell to it. I have 8 and I think 8.5 in my daughters two computers and Ver 9 in mine. I am now ready to do more Vinyl to PC dubbing and I am not crazy about the New Sound Editor and the Vinyl to PC program seems to be a bit more complex when it isn't needed to be, will have a full report soon.

 

Old Habits are hard to break but like the 66 and 67 Mustang, why the Hell did they have to change them.

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OK, I should have said I never had EMC 7, nor EasyCD 5 platinum either:-).

 

The point I was trying to make, and it applies not just to EMC but to other apps, is that when a new version comes out that has a significantly different interface, people used to the older version tend to complain that they can't find/do anything in the new one, whereas newcomers to the app are happy as they don't have to unlearn old tricks. Another example is Paintshop pro. Going from (I think it was 7 to 8 or maybe 8 to 9 when there were major changes in the GUI) generated similar complaints on their user forums, despite the fact that the new versions were much improved.

 

I knew what point you were making, and I agree with it.

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