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First impressions - some good, lots not good.


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I'm not one to go on the Internet to rant or flame someone, a company, or a product, but I really must say something here.

 

First impression, the install: I selected custom install so that I could see in advance what exactly was going to be installed and to make sure it would all install where I wanted to to go. When I clicked each item the disk requirements were displayed, but I couldn't tell what the option/program did. Nearly every other program that offers this type of install option does this. I guess Roxio assumed I'd just know all about their product in advance, or that since it was obvious to them it would be obvious to me. (Probably the latter, and seems to be a mindset that permeates this product.) Anyway, I'd be able to get past this if the product worked well, but now I was having my doubts.

 

Second first impression: after installing the software I rebooted, as required, but now my system (Windows XP Pro) reboots were taking a long long time. Could it be the Roxio software? Turns out it most likely was. I had to uninstall it because at about that same time my system developed a problem talking to my camcorder (firewire). Turns out it wasn't the Roxio software's fault, but I did notice that after uninstalling it the boot-times were quicker again. After reinstalling the Roxio software again today, boot times got really long again. It must be having a hard time doing something. Scanning all drives, maybe. Later I'd discover just how slow this software could be when doing some really basic things.

 

Third first impression: The software launched OK, but the first thing I noticed was how cramped the user interface was, and the second and most irritating thing I noticed was near the center of the application's form was an advertisement for more Roxio products. Tacky, to say the least. Definitely in poor taste. I'm was thinking sleazy. Sorry, but I really was. I'm really not that quick to get upset, but this really bugged me. A lot. Should I bill Roxio for the advertising space they use on my computer? It won't be cheap.

 

First and last project: I had just completed 4 videos and wanted to put them on a DVD that has a menu so that my colleagues (Well, not colleagues really, more like track buddies.) could select which ever one they wanted to watch. It wasn't difficult figuring out how to put together a simple project, main menu only with only four selections. I browsed the templates and didn't like any of them, but the DVD software did take me to a web site where I could purchase more. No thanks. I didn't like what I had seen already and so I was expecting the new ones to be any better, just more of the same. I was able to replace the background image and change the fonts and such for the menu items and menu title, but I was disappointed that that was all there was. I was expecting to find some buttons or similar controls, for example, a semi-transparent button that would help make the button text easier to see over the background. Oh, well. On to the preview and the burn.

 

The preview worked well and it only took me a minute or two to convince myself that the project looked OK, considering. The burn also went well, but only after I went in to Tools and changed the locations of the temp files, etc. They had been installed on my C: drive, but I prefer to keep my disk-intensive projects on drives that have lots of space and will never interfere with the OS and other critical resources. So after closing the program twice, starting it up twice, I was able to burn the DVD. It started out slowly, but considering I was burning 4.4 GB of video (avi files), it finished within a reasonable time.

 

Now to see it on TV. The video quality was excellent, although I still have to deal with the TV-safe zone problem, or else purchase a new TV. However, and this is a big problem, the audio sync was off by about 3 seconds! 3 whole seconds!!! Maybe more. I checked all four of them and the audio sync was off in every one of them. Now, I had watched them a dozen times, tweaking, and admiring, them. I know for a fact that the audio sync in the original avi files was fine. I even uploaded them to www.streetfire.net (Search for m610) and they looked and sounded OK there. I've exported video like these from Adobe Premiere and that method always worked great.

 

Other Problems: I didn't mention this in the section above, for continuity reasons, but the DVD module crashed on me several times. Lucky for me I had learned all about "frequent saves" years ago. Anyway, once it crashed when I clicked on the change background image option. It just vanished. The other time was when I clicked on the option to view the main menu's audio options. That crash was followed by lots of error messages saying something about a wave-something file. Worse though, was that practically every time I selected an option, including the "browse" buttons in the "Tools" dialog, it took seemingly forever for whatever was supposed to happen next happen. Considering how many times one selects these options, it soon became very aggravating. Imagine putting out a product where every time your customer used a basic feature they get put on hold! Does anyone remember that "paperclip" that was there to help users of Microsoft Office?

 

Personal gripe: I still use the Windows "Classic Style" because I really don't like the current style which to me looks like a sun-bleached blue cheap plastic CrackerJack toy that is accompanied with goofy and cartoonish (childish) icons and other various graphics. I wish Roxio had offered a user interface option so that their software would be aesthetically compatible with the user interface its customers were using. On my system, Roxio's program has that same cheap faded blue plastic look. I wonder what it looks like on people's systems that use the latest styles but don't use the standard Windows colors (blue and gray).

 

Final decision: The DVD module messed up my video by introducing a 3 or so second delay in the audio. It is really slow doing routine things, and it kept crashing. I can't use this software. Apparently no updates are available, so I will simply uninstall it and ask for my money back. I had downloaded the software and ordered a disk. I'll return the disk unopened. Return-to-sender.

 

Some history: I've been using this product since Adaptec had it, although I haven't been purchasing every new release. The earliest version did their jobs well, but starting with version 6 I began to loose faith in this product. There were so many problems with that release, problems that I personally was having, not just everything people would complain about. My particular problem rendered the product unusable for me. Updates and fixes were coming out frequently (One for each module, no update for the whole product. Very laborious for us users.) None had fixed my problem, which after several evenings installing and reinstalling the product (version 6), I happened to notice something that led me to do about three hours testing, then writing up the problem for these forums. The problem turned out to be that the CD writer program (Or was it the DVD module? It's been a while.) choked on systems that had more than one CD-R or DVD-R drive. Duh! What kind of testing do these folks do? It told me that they're loosing sight of the bigger picture and are just rushing to stuff features into their programs that marketing could brag about. They';re not looking at things from the end-user's perspective. Anyway, after posting the report on my particular problem it was fixed quickly (in the next downloaded update), which was nice, but that was still after I spent two evenings trying to get the program to work and another couple of hours verifying and documenting the problem once I figured it out. I bill out at $175/hour. I had never forgiven Roxio for that waste of time and effort, and now that its happening again I'm inclined to send them a bill. As it is, I am asking for a refund, and I'll never use their products again. Too superficial.

 

Last note on version 6: the DVD authoring module looked promising, but after working with it for a while I decided it was not so much a tool as it was a toy and I never used it again. From that date on I only used version 6 to create data CD's and DVDs. When I bought this upgrade (version 9), I was hoping things had gotten better. Well, the program has lots more features, but it hasn't gotten any better.

 

I am going to uninstall version 9 now, which will take a while because of how Roxio installs all of its programs. There is no one uninstall routine, reminiscent of how they provided updates for version 6. I'll reinstall version 6, will get the updates, and will use it for data CDs and DVDs and that is it.

 

Can anyone recommend some good DVD authoring software?

 

Mike

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Good luck getting your money back on this product.. I tried getting a hold of someone for a refund and they put me off until the 30 days was expired. so since I paid 80 dollars for the stupid software I figured I would try and make it work, well now they won't even let me download the software. I can't believe someone can charge 80 dollars for faulty software and not let you have another copy of it. LOL Learning experience. I think I should take out an add somewhere. :angry2: If anyone would like to email me with a solution I would appreciate it. rlattea21@yahoo.com I don't believe I'll be back here, I'm so tired of Roxio's runaround I could scream.

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Best way is to follow the clean install instructions here - that should get rid of all the EMC9 stuff

 

Don't forget the hidden files in Application Data as well

 

It took me almost four days to rebuild my system after uninstalling IMC9 and reinstalling IMC6. There are still a few things left to do.

 

Roxio has sent me an email RE a refund, and for burning CDs and DVDs I have decided to stick with the basic software that came with my DVD player. For DVD authoring, I'm using Sony's DVD Architech now. I wanted a program that just did DVD authoring. I've already got the other things covered. It looks good so far. Here's a screen shot of my latest project:

 

DVD-Screenshot.jpg

 

Good luck to all with ICM9. Sounds like others aren't having as much trouble as I did, while certainly quite a few did. After my original experience with version 6 and now the disaster with version 9, I'm done with Roxio and Sonic.

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I was wondering if uninstalling IMC9 before installing IMC6 set the stage. After examining the registry and scanning my drivers there were still lots of IMC9 references, and files, on my computer, and not just in my personal folders. Of course, it looks like others here were able to go back to IMC6 without any problems.

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Oh I never expected that your BIOS got hit - just saying that was the only time I can ever recall any form of 'hardware' damage being caused by software.

 

It's still virtually impossible tho for any app to knock out a drive controller. The same driver is used for all your SATA drives and if it's out for one, it's out for all of them. Think on it - when you installed the controller software, you didn't have to manually install it X times for X drives did you?

 

What you may have is a flaky controller - that's possible. I've seen it happen on IDE ones before now where the primary IDE controller went down and we had to use the secondary (it was either that or go buy a new motherboard)

 

There is always the possibility as well of 'tarnished' connectors and simply removing and reseating the cables cures the fault, but as SATA drives are relatively new, I wouldn't expect that to happen for some time yet, but it's still a possibility

 

I'm holding off on BD drives until they either make their minds up if it's going to be HD or Blu-Ray (or even a multi-standard drive - DVD-RW, +RW, Dual Layer, DVD-RAM, BD, HD and CD all in one) :lol:

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The second SATA itself controller was good. It seems that something happened to the driver. During the XP install I'd get the same BSOD I got after the EMC6 install when I provided XP Setup with only my Intel motherboard's RAID driver. Once I gave it both RAID drivers (Intel and Promise) everything started working again.

 

If this happened again I would not have as difficult a time getting my system going again. I made some mistakes that cost me a lot of time and sleep and I might have even been able to avoid reinstalling everything. But then again, us end users are supposed to have to be experts at such things. I wonder what Geek Squad would have charged me.

 

I am currently reinstalling my applications. I did not loose any data, except maybe all of my web browser bookmarks and such, but I might be able to restore them as well. If I had lost my data, I'd be out of business for good.

 

I really, really need a double-layer blu-ray disk system.

 

Edit - I am behind a router and am running Norton's Personal Firewall and Antivirus, all up-to-date, plus I am the only person who uses my computers. My system hasn't been infected since I set it up over a year ago, plus I had recently done a BIOS update, so I'd think that would have cleared any BIOS virus.

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It's virtually impossible for ANY app, no matter how bad it is, to damage a SATA or any other controller chip

 

In fact, the only thing that I can recall that did hardware damage was the virus that trashed the motherboard BIOS - but it didn't trash drive controllers or any other peripheral

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Update. It's 4:20PM and I finally have XP working again, but in a temporary setup.

 

I finally did an OS reinstall and that failed, over and over again, due to a corrupt or missing hal.dll file. None of the fixes Google found for me helped. Finally I decided to install a copy of XP on a non-RAID drive and at that point I started making some progress. Progress here is defined as getting the same BSOD I was getting after installing EMC6. The STOP message (0x0000007B) indicated that I could have a virus, a driver problem, a drive problem, and the like. At that point I remembered that I had two SATA controllers in my system, so on the next install I made sure I provided XP Setup with both drivers. Now its working, but on a non-RAID drive, a drive I originally used as a scratch disk.

 

Looks like all along the problem was probably damage to the driver for my second SATA controller. I blame that on the EMC6 install, but the 16 or so hours it took me to get things going again were a result of both the initial failure and to the fact that as well as I understand computers I still don't know enough. But then, I shouldn't be blaming myself for that.

 

Right now I'm doing manual backups of all of my files, including my files in "Documents and Settings". After that is done I'll do a file search to locate any remaining Roxio files and I'll delete them. Once things are clean and safe again I'll attempt a reinstall of XP on the original RAID volume, then I'll start the process of reinstalling and configuring all of my applications.

 

Note: I originally thought I didn't have my files backed up since Norton Ghost recovery reported recognizing the ghost files on only one of my backup drives. Looks like Ghost may not be that useful. Maybe I could just run Ghost Recovery multiple times, connecting only one backup drive after each reboot.

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I gave up on the admin password bit - as I'm the only one using the box, I just left it blank. The only password is for root access on Linux (I quad boot here, mainly for testing stuff - XP Pro 32, XP Pro 64, Vista Ultimate 32 and Gentoo Linux)

 

Odd thing I have noticed - there are VERY few programs for the 64 bit OSs (they all install in the x86 Program files which makes them 32 bit) - Symantec Corp AV is 64 bit - but I haven't found anything else that is, so I ain't going to even think about Vista 64 ;)

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Thanks. I'm seeing that now.

 

The RAID problem seems to have sorted itself out.

 

Norton Ghost is not going to be able to help. I've been doing a lot or reorganizing on this system for the past few days, including upgrading certain programs, and what with all the reboots Ghost never had a chance to back up everything. Apparently it takes a long time to back up 1.5 TB of data.

 

XP's restore is giving me fits. When it asks for the admin password, it rejects them. I know I am using the right password. I have it written down. I wonder if it has to do with my having disabled the admin account and creating a substitute, a standard security procedure.

 

I may have to reinstall XP. Fine, as long as my data are intact. What's another couple of days rebuilding this system? Perfect indoor project for the upcoming holiday weekend where the temperatures are hitting 104F and nighttime temps drop to the high 70'sF if we are lucky.

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Repair for XP is the same as 2K - boot from CD, select repair, choose the boot drive and the commands are either

fixmbr

or

fixboot

 

It's unlikely (very unlikely) uninstalling a program caused that - my RAID gave trouble a couple of times for no apparent reason (it sort of mislaid a drive in the array but a rebuild brought it back). Just don't click on the 'delete' button by mistake ;)

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During boot the BIOS reports that the status of my System volume (RAID 1) is not normal, so that must have gotten screwed up somehow. The system boots in safe mode. The boot log seems to be indicating that XP is trying to load the same set of drivers, about 20 of them, over and over again, adding a new driver every cycle or so. Strange. At least the list does not include any of the Roxio software, so I was able to get rid of that.

 

Now my options appear to be: (1) recovery using Norton Ghost, which could be a mess unless I recover drives C: and D: since the Roxio software was on D:. In this case, I'd be back to where I was last night before I removed EMC9, which sadly would be an improvement over the current situation. (2) I can reinstall XP, maybe do a repair, if that is possible. I know it could be done with W2K.

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Anyway, 2 hours later and I finally have EMC9 off my system and the system is working properly again. I figure I have about 10 hours work into this whole EMC9 effort -- install, reinstall, try out, uninstall, repair the uninstall. What a waste. Hopefully the v6 reinstall will go well, and that I'll get my money back.

 

It's now 3 AM and I have a system that will not boot. The version 6 install did not go well. I can boot in safe mod and I am scanning the registry to locate all Roxio entries to delete them. But, I am also finding lots of EMC9 entries. I thought I had uninstalled EMC9! Even the uninstall is defective. This is absolutely miserable.

 

It's 5:20 AM. No luck so far. I'm going to bed.

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Well.... Most report that it must be your fault (your hardware (video card, update drivers & firmware, directx, fragmented hard drive, etc)).. I have several programs that allow DVD authoring. The roxio suite is the only program that consistently produces the sync problem (for me).

 

However... I have found no other suite with all the features (bloat) that EMC has. I guess it just depends on what you need to do.

 

I'd understand that, to a point. There are many variables to consider here. I even considered the possibility that it was the DVD player that is hooked up to my TV that was causing the audio sync problem, but in the end, everything had always worked well except when I tried using EMC9 to create the DVD. I did a lot of work trying to solve and/or characterize my problems before I posted my account here.

 

Interesting note, after uninstalling EMC9 both of my optical drives disappeared from the system. My BIOS found internal drive, but Windows didn't see it. Windows also did not see my external USB drive, even after unplugging and plugging in the cable (New hardware found... never happened.) Device Manager reported that there was a problem with the drivers. I installed every Windows update I could find and ran Norton WinDoctor, but these didn't solve the problem. I found one other post here where someone's optical drives had disappeared, but no solution. Google helped me find a solution on the Microsoft web site. I had to delete a couple of registry entries.

 

Anyway, 2 hours later and I finally have EMC9 off my system and the system is working properly again. I figure I have about 10 hours work into this whole EMC9 effort -- install, reinstall, try out, uninstall, repair the uninstall. What a waste. Hopefully the v6 reinstall will go well, and that I'll get my money back.

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