Mount Rainier writing

[Meztoau]

Wich software sould I get to be able to use my CD-DVD rewritable in Mount Rainier System (MRW) to be able to use them as a floppy disk in adding, remouving and modify my dada informations?

Could I use my CD-DVD writer Samsung S182M ?

[gi7omy]

From here:

 

"With the multitude of packet-writing applications on the market, there's currently no guarantee that the disc you just burned on your PC will play back in another machine without special software. Mount Rainier intends to cure this compatibility problem with its standardized file system. Currently, Linux kernel 2.4.19, Ahead Software's InCD, Roxio's Direct-to-Disc, and Software Architects' WriteCD-RW all support CD-MRW."

 

I think 'Direct to Disc' is a typo for 'Drag to Disc'

 

 

Part of the Samsung Drive specs indicate that it does support Mt Rainier

 

Write CD-R : Yes

Write CD-RW : Yes

Write DVD-R : Yes

Write DVD-RW : Yes

Write DVD-R DL : Yes

Write DVD+R : Yes

Write DVD+RW : Yes

Write DVD+R DL : Yes

Write DVD-RAM : Yes

Write BD-R : No

Write BD-RE : No

Write HD DVD-R : No

Write HD DVD-RW : No

Write HD-BURN-R : No

Write HD-BURN-RW : No

Buffer Underrun Protection : Yes

Mount Rainier : Yes

SolidBurn : No

Labelflash : No

LightScribe : No

Modes : Packet, TAO, DAO, SAO, RAW SAO, RAW DAO, RAW SAO 16, RAW SAO 96, RAW DAO 16, RAW DAO 96

[james_hardin]

Actually Mt Rainer was Hot and now it is Not… It created more compatibility problem than it ever solved!

 

All of the packet writers "support" it, but not all burners. You will only know for sure if Quick Format is a useable option when you format.

 

If it is, you got it. If it isn't, you don't.

 

With or without it, you are still dealing with a packet writer which is the least reliable form of burning ever devised! If losing data is your goal, than packet writing is what you want to use. Cannot stress that enough!

[RonCam]

Wich software sould I get to be able to use my CD-DVD rewritable in Mount Rainier System (MRW)?

The correct answer to that may depend upon which operating system you're using. Wikipedia claims Windows Vista has built-in, native MRW support.

 

However, the Wikipedia's Mount Rainier entry is the only place where this is claimed as an accomplished fact. A bit strange! I've seen in many places that all recent Linux kernals have native support, so I'd definitely tend to believe that.

 

So, tell us, what is your operating system??

 

Part of the Samsung Drive specs indicate that it does support Mt Rainier:

...

Mount Rainier : Yes

...

LightScribe : No

...

Thanks for the info! But I want to make sure we're both talking about the same model, before I order one. Given that the post doesn't actually "echo" the model number itself, there's just one little discrepancy that makes me want to double-check:

 

Computer Shopper (April 2007, p. 102) has a review of a DVD burner they identify as the "Samsung Super WriteMaster SH-S182M" - the full name. I'm double-checking because the CS review shows the model to have LightScribe, but your list of features shows it to be absent. There is a match on Mount Rainier compatibility, however. Everything else checks 100% between your post and the magazine's review.

 

So could you please verify that the "Samsung Drive" you mentioned is in fact the same model as I identified in the paragraph above? Sorry for being so picky, but accurate information on MRW compatibility is very hard to come by, and I want to be sure.

 

Side question: how did you create the feature list in your post? Do you actually have this model, or did you see the features somewhere else? Or, if you have the model installed, Nero InfoTool (or similar)?

 

If losing data is your goal, than packet writing is what you want to use. Cannot stress that enough!

Finally, I have found a recent thread with knowedgable folks discussing Mount Rainier.

You're speaking from personal experience, I hope, because I'd very much like to know which operating system were you using when the problem was most severe.

[gi7omy]

I only quoted part of the page I found (it went on forver and a day) but, yes - it does refer to the Samsung SH - S182M

[RonCam]

I only quoted part of the page I found (it went on forver and a day) but, yes - it does refer to the Samsung SH - S182M

Many thanks, I Googled and saw several people posting the InfoTool read-outs, and I think that must have been your source. A most unusual burner that does both DVD-RAM and Mount Rainier in one unit. Was beginning to think these two were mutually exclusive. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!

[james_hardin]

That’s easy, Win 3.1, Win 95, Win 98 & XP.

 

My records indicated discs lasted about 50 uses (CD-RW).

 

A few went as high as 100 but many more failed on the 3rd use.

 

Versions of Roxio go back to Adaptec 3.0. Actually the greatest failures started in V5. That was when MS rolled out the Mt Rainer avalanche. Any drive having that capability could only be used with Mt Rainer writing. The Full Format was disabled, probably at MS's urging.

 

V6 had that fixed as Mt Rainer is the short path to disaster…

 

I still use it to help other users track down problems, but the success rate of recovering data from packet writing is near Zero.

 

On the other hand, I have NEVER been asked to recover data from an Authored CD/DVD…

 

Think about that, in 10 years, NEVER from an Authored CD/DVD, but hundreds of times for a packet writer CD/DVD…

 

Actually V9 is the LAST version that will even have a packet writer. It has been dropped in V10 and I say good riddance!

 

Of course it is built into Vista so it will either sink or swim at the hands of MS now. But given their track record...

[Brendon]

All of the packet writers "support" it, but not all burners. You will only know for sure if Quick Format is a useable option when you format.

 

If it is, you got it. If it isn't, you don't.

 

Sorry, but that isn't a reliable test. I have three writers which are allowed to quick format, but none of them is Mt. Rainier capable.

 

Regards,

Brendon

[RonCam]

You're speaking from personal experience, I hope, because I'd very much like to know which operating system were you using when the problem [with Mount Rainier's reliability] was most severe.

That’s easy, Win 3.1, Win 95, Win 98 & XP.

I've clarified my question, sorry for being vague.

I meant to limit my question to your experience with discs recorded on drives with Mount Rainier in the firmware, plus software drivers on the computer capable of talking with it. Given the date when the Mount Rainier standard was released, I was curious as to your having problems with discs recorded on MRW drives when Windows 3.1 and 95 were currently in use.

Perhaps I am 'off' on the date, or have misunderstood your reply?

 

Of course it [Mount Rainier support] is built into Vista ...

I'm not running Vista, so I can't check this out for myself: is there anyone here on the forum who has checked what a MRW drive will (or will not) do on a system running this OS?

 

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I think I was going off-topic here, with this question, so an answer is unlikely to result. Therefore, the remainer of this question was moved to a new thread. The original question may have given the incorrect impression that "UDF ... implies packet writing." What I mean to say is "Mount Rainier is an extension of UDF." This has been corrected in the new thread.

 

Thanks to james_hardin for pointing this out, below.

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[james_hardin]

I've clarified my question, sorry for being vague.

I meant to limit my question to your experience with discs recorded on drives with Mount Rainier in the firmware, plus software drivers on the computer capable of talking with it. Given the date when the Mount Rainier standard was released, I was curious as to your having problems with discs recorded on MRW drives when Windows 3.1 and 95 were currently in use.

Perhaps I am 'off' on the date, or have misunderstood your reply?

 

I'm not running Vista, so I can't check this out for myself: is there anyone here on the forum who has checked what a MRW drive will (or will not) do on a system running this OS?

 

Reason for question: I've only seen it reported in Wikipedia's Mount Rainier entry that Vista actually has, as a matter of fact, Mount Rainier support. Other Vista pre-release news items said it was coming, but I'm not counting these.

 

I asked at the Microsoft 'live chat' Vista tech support facility, and after writing a few lines, it was obvious that the person on the other end had no idea what Mount Rainier is. There is no reference in Vista's built-in Help to Mount Rainier, EasyWrite, or any terms that mean the same.

 

The only reference I can find is to UDF packet-writing, which of course has been renamed by Microsoft to something else. Does Vista really fully support Mount Rainier firmware, in a compatible drive?

Well even if you throw out Win3.1 the results are the same!

 

What you are missing is that Mt Rainer support is in the hardware not the OS!!! The only "exception" is Vista because Vista includes a packet writer.

 

XP does not but it doesn't matter since it has a packet reader.

 

Prior OS's required a packet reader to be installed, thus it could be read.

 

If you put a MR disc into a CD-RW drive that doesn't support MR, you can read it fine, but you will never be able to Write to it in the burner.

 

UDF in no way implies packet writing. It is the Universal Disc Format that is used. All DVD Movies use it, and they are not packet written!

[RonCam]

What you are missing is that Mt Rainer support is in the hardware not the OS!!! The only "exception" is Vista because Vista includes a packet writer.

Will a "Brand-X" packet-writing software automatically utilize the firmware support for Mount Rainier in a drive that has it? Specifically, will any and all packet-writing software know how to trigger the MRW firmware to give you, for example, the duplicate-copy disc defect table, the bad-block replacement area ... or are some packet-writing drivers MRW-unaware?

 

I'm assuming the MRW firmware will just sit there, unless it's properly addressed by the software driver. A logical assumption, or not?

 

P.S.: I'm of course not using "Brand X," that's just a hypothetical question. I'm using a Roxio product -- the final version of Roxio/Sonic DLA.

[james_hardin]

Will a "Brand-X" packet-writing software automatically utilize the firmware support for Mount Rainier in a drive that has it? Specifically, will any and all packet-writing software know how to trigger the MRW firmware to give you, for example, the duplicate-copy disc defect table, the bad-block replacement area ... or are some packet-writing drivers MRW-unaware?

 

I'm assuming the MRW firmware will just sit there, unless it's properly addressed by the software driver. A logical assumption, or not?

 

P.S.: I'm of course not using "Brand X," that's just a hypothetical question. I'm using a Roxio product -- the final version of Roxio/Sonic DLA.

Ron: Why beat dead horse?

 

It is really irrelevant what anyone tells you if it doesn't work as advertised on your PC/System…

 

Go do it!

 

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