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'Remarkable' Discovery: Scientists Burn Saltwater

 

ERIE, Pa. (AP)—An Erie cancer researcher has found a way to burn salt water, a novel invention that is being touted by one chemist as the "most remarkable" water science discovery in a century.

John Kanzius happened upon the discovery accidentally when he tried to desalinate seawater with a radio-frequency generator he developed to treat cancer. He discovered that as long as the salt water was exposed to the radio frequencies, it would burn.

The discovery has scientists excited by the prospect of using salt water, the most abundant resource on earth, as a fuel.

Rustum Roy, a Penn State University chemist, has held demonstrations at his State College lab to confirm his own observations.

The radio frequencies act to weaken the bonds between the elements that make up salt water, releasing the hydrogen, Roy said. Once ignited, the hydrogen will burn as long as it is exposed to the frequencies, he said.

The discovery is "the most remarkable in water science in 100 years," Roy said.

"This is the most abundant element in the world. It is everywhere," Roy said. "Seeing it burn gives me the chills."

Roy will meet this week with officials from the Department of Energy and the Department of Defense to try to obtain research funding.

The scientists want to find out whether the energy output from the burning hydrogen—which reached a heat of more than 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit—would be enough to power a car or other heavy machinery.

"We will get our ideas together and check this out and see where it leads," Roy said. "The potential is huge."

 

 

http://www.livescience.com/environment/070...salt_water.html

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I've been seeing stories about this alot lately. So they think it's safe to drive around in cars that can have water heated to 3000 degrees. They've never seen the drivers in my town. That would truly be a weapon to keep away for terrorists.

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Elementary thermodynamics will tell you that the energy released when the produced hydrogen is burned will be just enough (assuming no losses) to power the RF generator...

Hydrogen made by reducing water (by whatever means) is a means for transporting energy. The energy one gets from burning it must have been supplied in generating it (in fact the recovered energy is less than that used in generating it because of inevitable process losses).

Reducing water to generate hydrogen can be (and is) done in many different ways. This is just one more variant.

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Given that the generation of RF will be nowhere near 100% efficient and burning hydrogen in an automotive engine won't be near 50% efficient, I can't see the point in using a kilowatt of electricity to produce less than 100 watts of mechanical output.

 

You'd be better off using the electricity to power wheel motors directly.

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Elementary thermodynamics will tell you that the energy recovered by burning the hydrogen produced will be at most equal to that required for the RF generator (in fact less because of losses in the process)..

 

Hydrogen produced by reducing water is a means of transporting energy, like electricity. It is not an' energy source like oil or gas, since its production will always require more energy than can be recovered by burning it.

 

There are many technologies for producing it from water. This is just one more variant. For sustainable use, the hydrogen should be produced using a renewable energy source, such as PV, wind, biomass. There are several well developed means for doing so, mostly using electrolysis, quite an efficient process. I doubt that using RF could be as efficient. At present these are still more expensive than the production of hydrogen from methane (natural gas) which is currently how most hydrogen is produced.

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There's just not enough information here to be able to tell the significance.

 

If salt is reducing the hydrogen/oxygen bond enough,...

 

What is the ratio of energy requred electrylsis in distilled water / vs RF in salt water????

God knows we have a little salt water to spare.

 

Cold Fusion, it isn't, but anything that can be used as a substitue fuel that can powre a car, needs to be looked at very carefully (i'm talking hydrogen, not water)

 

:D

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