Creating a compressed version from .c2d

[jlove]

As reported in the installation topic area, I recently completed an upgrade from 9 to 10. To be more precise, I installed 10 on top of 9, which gives me access to most v9 programs as well as v10.

 

So far, the only "blip" I've discovered is a bit bizarre. In version 9, I would typically back up a DVD using Roxio's proprietary format (.c2d) mostly because I figured that Roxio had some reason for wanting to do things that way. In creating the .c2d, you can create a non-compressed version which is supposed to be reasonably similar to the original disk, or (if the material is too big to fit on a single density disk), you can choose to save it as a compressed version that will be able to be burned to a single density disk.

 

Eventually, by trial-and-error, I learned that if I wanted to I could convert the DVD to the .c2d in uncompressed format, and then if I wanted to save it to a single density disk, Roxio would do the compression at the time of burning. I never had a problem with this while using Roxio Disk Copier on version 9.

 

When I upgraded to 10, I began using the new version for DVD duplication which is called "Video copy and convert." I created an uncompressed 6G file in the .c2d format. Then, as I was used to in version 9, I put a single density disk in the burner, but Roxio refused to accept it. I tried a couple of other disks, but each time Roxio informed me that I needed to put a double density disk in the drive. Finally, I threw in the towel and used a double density disk and sure enough it created the copy for me.

 

I asked Roxio's technical support if this was a change in the feature set for v10, but so far all of their answers have been nonsensical. I thought I'd ask the community if anyone knows what's up with this.

 

(By the way, I apologize for the technical inaccuracy here--of course all these video files are compressed according to a video codec such as MPEG. The compression I referring to here is the additional level of compression that Roxio can provide which slightly degrades the quality in order to allow a >4.5G file to fit on a single density disk.)

 

-- Jack Love

[cdanteek]

Let's look at the whole thread.

 

" I created an uncompressed 6G file in the .c2d format. Then, as I was used to in version 9, I put a single density disk in the burner, but Roxio refused to accept it. I tried a couple of other disks, but each time Roxio informed me that I needed to put a double density disk in the drive. Finally, I threw in the towel and used a double density disk and sure enough it created the copy for me. "

 

 

Unless you got that firmware update for your crystal ball working???

 

jlove, note the drop down box at the bottom for disc size, the same 8gb ISO loaded in each pic! And yes it does work in V 10 Video Copy & Convert. If your V 10 won't do this the software is broke and needs a repair or reinstall.

 

I'd take a shot at that firmware..

 

 

 

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[Beerman]

I hate to add a 'me too' to this thread but I have been able to transcode to fit in VC&C to both DVD +R and DL discs with no problems. It works the same for me as in Disc Copier v9.

I will say that I did get a message a few times that the disc was not the correct size but I simply switched the size back from DL to DVD-R/DVD+R and back to DL again and it took it. I've had to do similarly in DC v9.

[jlove]

I feel a little silly replying to myself, but I'm going to post this because I think the info might be of interest anyway.

 

Roxio technical support continues to be clueless about this issue, but I think I am seeing a difference in functionality between Roxio v9 and v10. Since my original post, I have created .c2d images of a DVD using both the option to record it as a single layer (compressed) version and a double-layer uncompressed version, and I have successfully burned both types of .c2d images to disk. In v9, I could copy a disk using the uncompressed option and then later decide to burn it as a compressed version to a single layer disk. But in v10, when I do this, Roxio refuses to engage the compression routine and instead tells me to insert a dual layer disk.

 

I found that v10 would allow me to create a second image on my hard drive in the more compressed version. In other words, instead of burning the 8G file to a 4G disk, I can instruct Disc Convert to save the file as a "+/-R" version back to the hard disk under a different name. That file can then be burned to a single layer disk.

 

I have no idea whether this behavior is a factor of my particular system configuration (Roxio technical support seems to think it's a driver issue), but that just doesn't make sense--it doesn't explain why everything works the way I expect with Disk Copier (v9, which I decided to keep when I upgraded to v10).

 

It's not a big deal--just something to get used to. But it's a bit odd when you discover that the new version of a program is less functional than the old. And it's a little disconcerting to me that Roxio technical support isn't a bit more expert than they seem to be. Nevertheless, I continue to appreciate the breadth of software that this package supplies at reasonable cost, so I hope those of you who are working towards learning this stuff will keep at it. :-)

 

Happy New Year to all,

 

-- Jack

[james_hardin]

A lot of 'I think's' going on. But until such time as jlove will tell us the details of what it is he is trying to do. 'I think's' are merely WAGs…

[james_hardin]

No reason to feel silly, it has only been 5 days.

 

It would appear that your topic is far from being a lightning rod topic…

 

Typically, one or 2 people find some obscure portion of a program that doesn't work the way they think it should and think that Suport will fall all over them to get it fixed.

 

It would appear that this is one of those cases.

 

Actually your 2 posts are so lacking in detail that no one would have a clue as to how to attempt to recreate the problem. You don't even say which one of the many programs in the Suite you are even refering to.

[bimicher]

I feel a little silly replying to myself, but I'm going to post this because I think the info might be of interest anyway.

 

Roxio technical support continues to be clueless about this issue, but I think I am seeing a difference in functionality between Roxio v9 and v10. Since my original post, I have created .c2d images of a DVD using both the option to record it as a single layer (compressed) version and a double-layer uncompressed version, and I have successfully burned both types of .c2d images to disk. In v9, I could copy a disk using the uncompressed option and then later decide to burn it as a compressed version to a single layer disk. But in v10, when I do this, Roxio refuses to engage the compression routine and instead tells me to insert a dual layer disk.

 

I found that v10 would allow me to create a second image on my hard drive in the more compressed version. In other words, instead of burning the 8G file to a 4G disk, I can instruct Disc Convert to save the file as a "+/-R" version back to the hard disk under a different name. That file can then be burned to a single layer disk.

 

I have no idea whether this behavior is a factor of my particular system configuration (Roxio technical support seems to think it's a driver issue), but that just doesn't make sense--it doesn't explain why everything works the way I expect with Disk Copier (v9, which I decided to keep when I upgraded to v10).

 

It's not a big deal--just something to get used to. But it's a bit odd when you discover that the new version of a program is less functional than the old. And it's a little disconcerting to me that Roxio technical support isn't a bit more expert than they seem to be. Nevertheless, I continue to appreciate the breadth of software that this package supplies at reasonable cost, so I hope those of you who are working towards learning this stuff will keep at it. :-)

 

Happy New Year to all,

 

-- Jack

 

Like James I really don't understand your post at all. I haven't a clue what you are doing or even trying to do. I guess we are like Roxio Tech support What is a compressed and uncompressed version? What do they have to do with single or double layer DVDs?

[cdanteek]

I found that v10 would allow me to create a second image on my hard drive in the more compressed version. In other words, instead of burning the 8G file to a 4G disk, I can instruct Disc Convert to save the file as a "+/-R" version back to the hard disk under a different name. That file can then be burned to a single layer disk.

 

I think mr jlove is talking about V 9 Disc Copier and V10 Video Copy and Convert. a ISO .c2d Image is just that, be it for a single layer disc or a dual layer disc. The program asks for a disc by the Image size you have choosen. If you want to compress a DL .c2d Image, load it in as source and output it as a single layer .c2d Image, then burn to disc.

 

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[Brendon]

Well caught there cd. There's a big difference in functionality between EMC9 and EMC 10 because the Disc Copier has been changed so much.

 

Walt, by "compressing" I think the member is referring to transcoding the large video which requires a DL disc, down to a smaller size which will fit on a DVD-5 (4.3GB) disc.

 

He's saying that in version 9 he could make a large (DVD-9) disc image, and later have Disc Copier shrink and burn that image to a single-layer disc. However in version 10 Video Copy and Convert demands a DL disc, for the big image. It won't shrink the image and burn straight to disc, so he has to do a workaround - shrink the big image to a smaller image, and then burn that smaller image.

 

If this is the story, it's important to the people we've been telling they should render at best quality to an image, and then get the copier to shrink it to fit the disc at burn time.

 

As for tech support - perhaps we should be happy that Mujibar isn't working for them yet.

 

Regards,

Brendon

[Brendon]

Well, it's better than a lot of "It would appear" and at least it has a clue.

[james_hardin]

Well, it's better than a lot of "It would appear" and at least it has a clue.

When taken out of context in a poor attempt to humiliate… Let's look at the whole thread

 

No reason to feel silly, it has only been 5 days.

 

It would appear that your topic is far from being a lightning rod topic…

 

Typically, one or 2 people find some obscure portion of a program that doesn't work the way they think it should and think that Support will fall all over them to get it fixed.

 

It would appear that this is one of those cases.

 

Actually your 2 posts are so lacking in detail that no one would have a clue as to how to attempt to recreate the problem. You don't even say which one of the many programs in the Suite you are even referring to.

 

Then Walt says nearly the same:

 

Like James I really don't understand your post at all. I haven't a clue what you are doing or even trying to do. I guess we are like Roxio Tech support What is a compressed and uncompressed version? What do they have to do with single or double layer DVDs?

 

Sadly jlove has not been back since 1/1/07… Until he does and posts some details we cannot be of any help. Unless you got that firmware update for your crystal ball working???