Cinemagic

[Bill111111]

I have spent the day trying to edit a video using Cinemagic on EMC 10. I copied a vhs to dvd mpg4 and then tried to edit to remove scenes. No matter what I do, Cinemagic will not include all of the scenes I select. I've read the tutorials and instructions. Help??

[Bill111111]

Dang, You guys make it look easy.

 

James, That's exactly what I did. I saw only one scene/frame/(or whatever I should call it) and I couldn't get to a place where I could delete parts I didn't want to keep. I'll give it another shot. Thanks for helping.

 

Sknis, That looks pretty simple. That's what I need at this point--simplicity. I'm overwhelmed by the program because I've never done this stuff before--whole new vocabulary and all. I thought EMC 10 was just a single program, so I'm totally disoriented with all the different programs within one (and they all seem to do pretty much the same thing.

 

I'm off to give it a try. Thanks and Happy New Year.

 

Bill

[Bill111111]

Hi, thanks for the reply,

 

I tried opening in Video Wave--same problem. Niether will let me put in all the scenes I want to put in. I get about 20 or so scenes, then the rest are blacked out. And then there is the problem of Cinemagic putting in scenes that I marked to remove. Is there a way to turn off this feature in Cinemagic? The scenes that do get into my project are fine, it just won't let put in all of them.

 

Drivers are up to date. I have an Inspiron e1505 with dual core and Radeon Mobility x1300, 2gigs mem., plenty or hard drive room, and no instability issues.

[james_hardin]

Note the difference of Timeline and Storyline. But in both cases the Production Length, is 11:00.14, indicating the length of the clip.

 

Steve's video on Scenes may be of use to you if that is what you want. If you just want to eliminate unwanted portions without transitions between them, then Split and Delete may be the better way to go…

 

Video Editing is a complex field and EMC is one of the easier products to use that has powerful editing features.

[grandpabruce]

Hi, thanks for the reply,

 

I tried opening in Video Wave--same problem. Niether will let me put in all the scenes I want to put in. I get about 20 or so scenes, then the rest are blacked out. And then there is the problem of Cinemagic putting in scenes that I marked to remove. Is there a way to turn off this feature in Cinemagic? The scenes that do get into my project are fine, it just won't let put in all of them.

 

Drivers are up to date. I have an Inspiron e1505 with dual core and Radeon Mobility x1300, 2gigs mem., plenty or hard drive room, and no instability issues.

 

 

What to you mean by what is bolded above? If you opened the original Cinemagic project, in VideoWave, nothing will change. What Steve was saying is you have to start over in VideoWave.

[Stratocaster]

Hi All

 

I'm a first time user of EMC (I've used ECDC5 for a long time), and I've struck trouble with Cinemagic, so I appreciate your tip to drop it.

 

I've been putting together batches of slides/photos onto DVDs, and tried using Cinemagic within MyDVD. Generally the concept is great, except for two things:

Firstly, the program randomly presents every third or fourth panel at about half size, which is a pain when you want to see them all at full size.

 

Secondly, and more importantly, when burnt to DVD and played through my DVD player and TV it presents blank panels for odd shots, with no rhyme or reason, with the result that about 15% of the slides present as blank black screens. The background music continues nicely. It previews OK on teh PC.

So I've junked using it and am rebuilding using VideoWave, based on your advice.

 

Let's hope this works.

[Bill111111]

Success! Thanks guys, it worked. With VW, I was able to cut out the scenes I didn't need, and keep the ones I did. I really appreciate all your help.

[Bill111111]

Take the hint and Dump the Cinemagic! None of us use it.

 

In MyDVD there are Titles and there are Chapters but no such thing as 'scenes'… Tell us what you think 'scenes' are and how you want to use them.

 

All DVD Movies are in mpeg2.

 

James,

 

I think I will skip Cinemagic. The scenes I referred to: Cinemagic broke the vhs into short sections for editing. When I tried to do this in VW, it put the whole movie into a single panel and left the rest blank. I see no way to remove the parts of the video I don't want.

[Bill111111]

Hi Guys,

 

I really appreciate your help and patience. I made a little headway yesterday--think I found a problem. After starting over from the beginning, I realized that the project time was shorter than the source video. This may be why I can't seem to get those final scenes.

 

A popup told me the project time should be twice the source time. This was somewhat cryptic. I tried several different configurations, but got the same message each time--the video would be shorter than the original. So, the proper configuration for that may help.

 

As far as opening in VideoWave, I tried that yesterday. It put the whole movie into one scene, which defeats my purpose. How do I put it in scenes?

 

I also have questions about the coding--which one should I use? When I first captured and burned the vhs to dvd, I put it in mpeg4. Is that a problem when it comes to editing? I Googled these, but I'm still not sure.

 

I hope you all have a great new year.

[james_hardin]

Take the hint and Dump the Cinemagic! None of us use it.

 

In MyDVD there are Titles and there are Chapters but no such thing as 'scenes'… Tell us what you think 'scenes' are and how you want to use them.

 

All DVD Movies are in mpeg2.

[sknis]

I have spent the day trying to edit a video using Cinemagic on EMC 10. I copied a vhs to dvd mpg4 and then tried to edit to remove scenes. No matter what I do, Cinemagic will not include all of the scenes I select. I've read the tutorials and instructions. Help??

 

Use Video Wave to do your video project.

 

Open Video Wave and select to add video. Navigate to the file and right click it. Create the scenes either automatically or manually. Let the program do its thing. Add the scenes you want in the order you want to the storyline in VideoWave.

 

If you don't complete the project and need to add more scenes later, again navigate to the file and right click it. Select scene detection again. When the window opens, the scenes previously detected will be shown.

 

The advantage of using Video Wave is that you can use the native audio track where you want it; CineMagic will not let you do that. With either, you can add any music you want to any audio track you want.

 

Sometimes display problems of any sort can be attributed to your video card/chip. Make sure you have the latest drivers installed for your video device and that DirectX is up to date (Version depends on your video card and OS)

[Bill111111]

What to you mean by what is bolded above? If you opened the original Cinemagic project, in VideoWave, nothing will change. What Steve was saying is you have to start over in VideoWave.

 

 

 

The project was saved, then reopened in Video Wave. It shows the same thing as Cinemagic. Let me start over:

 

I captured about two hours of home video from a vhs tape. This tape was made long ago from a collection of 8mm home movies. I downloaded it onto my laptop, then burnt a copy to dvd for backup.

 

I then opened the video in CineMagic and had it break the video into scenes. The original vhs was not in any kind of order, so I selected scenes to make into a much smaller video. Out of about 120 or so scenes, I selected 32 by marking them with a check mark and clicking the "keep" button. Cinemagic then compiled the scenes into a new video, but it only used about half of the scenes I selected. It used some of the scenes that I didn't want, and it left about 8 scenes blacked out.

 

I started over and did the following:

Deleted scenes I did not want by right clicking each and removing--same result

Placed check mark on the scenes I did not want and clicked to remove the scenes--same result

Placed check mark on the scenes I wanted to keep and clicked to keep them--same result

Opened the original downloaded file in Video Wave to perform editing--it did not break the video into scenes, therefore I could not edit.

 

 

Perhaps in my frustration I'm missing something?

[grandpabruce]

The project was saved, then reopened in Video Wave. It shows the same thing as Cinemagic. Let me start over:

 

I captured about two hours of home video from a vhs tape. This tape was made long ago from a collection of 8mm home movies. I downloaded it onto my laptop, then burnt a copy to dvd for backup.

 

I then opened the video in CineMagic and had it break the video into scenes. The original vhs was not in any kind of order, so I selected scenes to make into a much smaller video. Out of about 120 or so scenes, I selected 32 by marking them with a check mark and clicking the "keep" button. Cinemagic then compiled the scenes into a new video, but it only used about half of the scenes I selected. It used some of the scenes that I didn't want, and it left about 8 scenes blacked out.

 

I started over and did the following:

Deleted scenes I did not want by right clicking each and removing--same result

Placed check mark on the scenes I did not want and clicked to remove the scenes--same result

Placed check mark on the scenes I wanted to keep and clicked to keep them--same result

Opened the original downloaded file in Video Wave to perform editing--it did not break the video into scenes, therefore I could not edit.

Perhaps in my frustration I'm missing something?

 

Yes, you are missing something. Open VideoWave, bring in the ORIGINAL 120 minute captured file, and split up the scenes again. Your Cinemagic production is a dead issue, because Cinemagic never did, and never will work like VideoWave.

[james_hardin]

Frustration does blind and it is very frustrating!!!

 

Forget everything you have done! It didn't work anyway so there is no point bemoaning the issue…

 

Make a copy of your original file and load the copy into VW. All of it!

 

Split and Delete about 1/2 of the file then Save the project.

 

Close VW and open MyDVD. Add Title and select the VW Project file you just made.

 

The part you deleted will remain deleted…

 

Delete that Title and Add a new one, only thing time pick the copied file you made and not the VW Project file.

 

Now the deleted portion will still be there as it only exists in the 'notes' of the VW project file.

 

Now you should understand the secrets of video editing. Project files contain the edits. Original files are never altered… (original files can be altered but it takes deliberate effort to do so)

[grandpabruce]

Success! Thanks guys, it worked. With VW, I was able to cut out the scenes I didn't need, and keep the ones I did. I really appreciate all your help.

 

You're welcome. Nice to see you had success.

[grandpabruce]

James,

 

I think I will skip Cinemagic. The scenes I referred to: Cinemagic broke the vhs into short sections for editing. When I tried to do this in VW, it put the whole movie into a single panel and left the rest blank. I see no way to remove the parts of the video I don't want.

 

 

Look at the short videos, in the following URL:

 

http://forums.support.roxio.com/index.php?showtopic=15528

[james_hardin]

James,

 

I think I will skip Cinemagic. The scenes I referred to: Cinemagic broke the vhs into short sections for editing. When I tried to do this in VW, it put the whole movie into a single panel and left the rest blank. I see no way to remove the parts of the video I don't want.

If you are talking about something that looks like the pictures below, you gave up too easy!

 

The whole clip is there but only a first frame is ever shown.

 

Timeline:

 

 

Storeline:

 

[sknis]

OK Bill see if the last video on this page helps. It is a way of Using Video Wave to first, make scenes (you can do it manually or automatically) and then using the scenes in a Video Wave production.

 

You can add transitions between the scenes in story line and then do some final trimming in timeline view. In order to handle the audio, you can add fade in/out if the scenes are long enough or just mute the audio and use music (or both).

 

Camtasia Studio is great !