Disc Copier - Unable To “fit-to-disc”

[Brewski]

Hello Roxio Forum,

 

ISSUE: I am unable to burn DVD using Disc Copier ‘fit-to-disc’ feature for an ISO file created from MyDVD.

 

BACKGROUND: I am trying to create a DVD by following the instructions from the ‘How To’ posts found in these forums. First, I use MyDVD to build the DVD content (preview looks good). Then, I use MyDVD to create an ISO file with the following settings: software encoding, High Quality (HQ), uncheck ‘Fit to disc’, check ‘Save disc image file’. This produces an ISO file that is about 4.9-GB for about 90-minutes of video. Now, I want to use Disc Copier to burn this ISO onto one single-layer 4.7-GB DVD. Several posts state this can be done since Disc Copier will compress the 4.9-GB file onto a 4.7-GB disc. In fact one post states “I’ve burned ISO’s to disc as large as 7.5-GB with acceptable quality.” However, when I use Disk Copier, I can not find any option for ‘fit-to-disc’ and when I try to burn the ISO file, I get an error message that tells me there is not enough disc space: ‘Please insert a disc in this drive with at least this amount of free space XX (Possible disc types are DVD+R Double Layer).’ I have also tried to ‘fit-to-disc’ using Video Copy & Convert without any luck. I have even tried DVD+R & DVD-R (Memorex). However, if I create an ISO file using the ‘fit-to-disc’ option within MyDVD, it results in Standard Quality (SQ) file that is about 3.9-GB and burns just fine using Disk Copier.

 

BOTTOM LINE: How do I tell Disc Copier to compress & burn the larger HQ ISO files onto a standard 4.7GB DVD? Other posts have mentioned that the Disc Copiers engine does a better job than MyDVD for this task.

 

HARDWARE INFO: Home Built; Vista Home Premium; Pentium-4 3.0-GHz; 1.5-GB RAM, 500-GB HDD; ATI Radeon-9550 (256-MB); Memorex DVD+/-DLRWL16D2-15 DVD drive; Roxio Media Creator 9.1.075 (Full retail 9.0 version with 9.1 update).

 

Thanks in advance for any help & sorry for the long post. This is my first post and I have found the information in these forums very valuable.

[Beerman]

Just a side note that many times I still see the 'compressing' text on files that are below the 4.7gb size which I think is simply a bug. I can see no actual compressing of those files and doubt you will as well. It should only compress the files that actually need to be compressed.

Glad things worked out.

As far as your possible media problem, you can try burning at a slower speed, or using another brand of media as a start.

[Brendon]

I'm not sure I understand your bold text question above!

 

In the test.ISO I was using there are three individual movies and one individual 'extra' (see pic) I was worried about the menus if you didn't select all the movies. I have since tried it, and the menus seem okay.

 

 

An interesting difference between modes, though:

When in compilation mode with all 4 movies highlighted, Copier gave me a red quality bar and said Compression not possible and the burn button was greyed out. I had to drop movie #3 before the bar changed to orange and allowed me to write the disc.

 

However, when I restarted Copier and tried that ISO in CD & DVD Copy mode, even though the bar was red Copier said quality was 'Very Highly Compressed' and transcoded and burned the whole DVD. This mode was clearly better for this particular ISO.

 

Regards,

Brendon

[Beerman]

I've got no luck with the Compilation tab (in v10 as well as 9.1). They both crash the minute I add an ISO to them. Not sure if it's due to the size of the ISO or not as I've not yet tried a smaller file.

Sure would be great if the OP would let us know how his situation worked out.

[Brendon]

He hasn't been back today yet. He's going to get a shock when he gets here!!

 

Hi Brewski, it's safe to come in. . .

[malatekid]

Brendon,

 

In your attachment (post #29), does your source has an Intro Movie (the clip that comes up before the actual menu is shown)? Could "Extra 1" movie under Individual Extras is the intro movie? In which case, the actual menu is not offered as a selection in Compilation mode.

[Brendon]

Yes, I think Extra 1 is the Intro movie, Jess. I didn't have the time left to do yet another recode and burn without it because the O.C. Household sent me out to do the shopping.

 

[Brewski]

malatekid & cdanteek: Thank you both for your time & patience to help.

 

However, I am still having the issue… I hope my original post wasn’t too confusing… here goes… I have set the disc size selection in MyDVD to 8.5-GB and created the ISO file as recommended--it is about a 4.9-GB file. Now, Malatekid mentions “…afterwards use Disc Copier to burn the image file to 4.7gb disc as you wanted to”. This is the part I am having trouble with--seems Disc Copier will not let me do this. I understand there will be a loss of quality due to the compression, but Disc Copier keeps telling me I need a larger disc. Also, Malatedkid mentions “There is no fit-to-disc option in Disc Copier.” This seems like a contradiction--how can Disc Copier fit my larger ISO file onto a 4.7-GB disc without doing a fit-to-disc? Maybe you are referring to some automatic compression that Disc Copier does without having to actually select a fit-to-disc option/button? If so, Disc Copier is not performing this function. Cdanteek mentions “…Disc Copier, from the bottom, size, click the right side down arrow, choose custom, use the custom output size sliding bar.” My Disc Copier that came with EMC v9 (now 9.1), does not have this option (only “DVD-R/DVD+R, DVD-R Dual Layer, DVD+R Double Layer, DVD-RAM”). Any suggestions? Thanks again!

[cdanteek]

Load a ISO or video_ts folder set on the source side larger than 4482mb = 4.7 single layer disc.

 

Below on the size set to +R DL disc, says your ISO is 8147 Identical to Original. Now change the size to DVD -R DVD +R single layer disc, your content quality changes to 4482mb. Is that clear?

 

Why your version doesn't have custom I don't know! Is it a Retail bought Roxio EMC Version 9 Suite or Deluxe?

 

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[Brendon]

Brewski,

 

Would you try this please?

 

(1) set your over-large ISO as the SOURCE.

 

(2) set the destination DISC SIZE in the drop-down menu at the bottom of Copier to show DVD-R / DVD+R like this screen shot.

That will probably make the bar at the bottom right go from green to red.

 

(3) set your desired burn speed etc., and burn.

 

Copier should then recode the large ISO so that it will fit on the destination disc size that you have set, and burn it to the disc.

 

The 'custom' size option only shows if you are doing this operation under the 'Video Compilation' tab (see the picture)

 

 

Regards,

Brendon

 

 

[cdanteek]

Thanks, for the help Brendon. Being In CD DVD Copy mode the OP can only choose one source file. In Video Complication mode several files can be added as source and compressed.

 

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[Brendon]

It gets worse. In CD & DVD copy mode Copier refuses to transcode, and wants a bigger disc.

 

 

Might have to go to Video Compilation mode. What say, Paul??

 

 

Brendon

[malatekid]

Using Disc Copier (EMC 9), the same thing happened as described by James in this post. But once you insert the standard disc back and reselect the drive (and/or reselect the write speed -- it seems that any of this action clears up the initial problem), Disc Copier will do its automatic compression.

 

I just burned an almost 8gb ISO file to a standard DVD. The resulting DVD is not that bad at all. I know that this is doable (and had done it several times before) but has since switched to using DL discs.

 

 

[malatekid]

Yes, I think Extra 1 is the Intro movie, Jess. I didn't have the time left to do yet another recode and burn without it because the O.C. Household sent me out to do the shopping.

Thanks Brendon. I tried twice on short projects, each one having with two titles, menu and intro. Menu is definitely not included in compilation.

[Brendon]

Thanks Jess,

 

I threw the same blank disc in my LG drive while I was ringing Beerman, and it went off like a house on fire. It's recoding and burning as I type. He said he had to change speed or drive to get it to work properly, too.

Paul is going to try it again himself and will post shortly.

 

 

Beats me!!

 

 

Okay Brewski,

 

I hope you're still with us. It looks like the story is,

 

(1) Do it the way I told you before [which is probably the way you were trying it originally]

 

(2) If/when you get the request for a bigger disc, just put the same disc back in and reselect the drive or the drive speed again and this time it should work

 

Who said burning DVDs is a science? It's more an art, and a spooky art at that.

 

Brendon

 

 

 

[Beerman]

 

 

 

Same thing here Jess. I mentioned this as a possible bug in 9 beta testing but thought it was just my Plextor at that time. Just now I completed a file not as large as I have previously done (named 'test') and this time, I did get the same error in 1 drive but not in the other. Both drives burned fine after changing the write speed down, letting the drive read it and then changing the speed back up to fastest again.

[cdanteek]

Question, does your version do this disc change / rejection thing just in CD DVD Copy Mode? Or the way I do it in Video Complication Mode?

 

Another question, why are three folks doing it in 'CD DVD Copy Mode' are you copying a CD or DVD? Or is there not a reason for the different modes?

 

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[malatekid]

Question, does your version do this disc change / rejection thing just in CD DVD Copy Mode? Or the way I do it in Video Complication Mode?

 

Another question, why are three folks doing it in 'CD DVD Copy Mode' are you copying a CD or DVD? Or is there not a reason for the different modes?

 

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Good question. Compilation mode does not include the menu of the movie so you have to do the DVD Copy to burn the whole thing (movie AND menu). I haven't tried the Compilation mode for burning over-large image to a standard DVD to see if automatic compression works too. I don't see any reason why it won't.

[Beerman]

Question, does your version do this disc change / rejection thing just in CD DVD Copy Mode? Or the way I do it in Video Complication Mode?

 

Another question, why are three folks doing it in 'CD DVD Copy Mode' are you copying a CD or DVD? Or is there not a reason for the different modes?

 

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I don't recall trying to add an ISO in Compilation mode and think it will only work with video folders. I just tried the same file in Compilation mode and I get a Windows error and DC shuts down. I've always used CD/DVD Copy Mode. That's not a good answer, I will admit.

The Help file is of no real help to me either.

[cdanteek]

Good question. Compilation mode does not include the menu of the movie so you have to do the DVD Copy to burn the whole thing (movie AND menu). I haven't tried the Compilation mode for burning over-large image to a standard DVD to see if automatic compression works too. I don't see any reason why it won't.

 

 

Question, if Complication mode excepts a ISO how could it not "include the menu"?

 

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[Brendon]

Question, does your version do this disc change / rejection thing just in CD DVD Copy Mode? Or the way I do it in Video Complication Mode?

In Video compilation mode I couldn't use an ISO as a source, but it worked fine without the bug if I picked a big DVD folder as the source.

 

Another question, why are three folks doing it in 'CD DVD Copy Mode' are you copying a CD or DVD? Or is there not a reason for the different modes?

 

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Local wisdom says you get poorer results if you use MyDVD to shrink your movie, and it's better to build to an ISO at best resolution, and then use Disc Copier to shrink it to disc at burn time.

 

Therefore we needed to use the ISO as source, therefore we needed to use the CD & DVD Copy mode because it's the only one which allows ISO as the source.

 

Brendon

 

 

Question, if Complication mode excepts a ISO how could it not "include the menu"?

 

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It doesn't accept an ISO as source.

[malatekid]

Question, if Complication mode excepts a ISO how could it not "include the menu"?

 

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Since it's a compilation of video clips (movies), possibly from different sources, the inclusion of a menu from a particular clip(movie) doesn't make sense to the entire collection of clips.

[malatekid]

Hmm, mine accepts an ISO even in Video Compilation mode. Note that it only shows the movie and not the menu when using that mode.

 

[Brendon]

Thanks Jess,

 

I thought that might be the case with Compilation mode, else if you didn't include ALL movies from one ISO, and did include some from another ISO, how would the application know which part(s) of the menu(s) to include or leave out.

 

Yoohoo, Brewski,

 

Are you out there? We still want to help you now we've found out all this stuff.

 

Brendon

[cdanteek]

Since it's a compilation of video clips (movies), possibly from different sources, the inclusion of a menu from a particular clip(movie) doesn't make sense to the entire collection of clips.

 

In Video compilation mode I couldn't use an ISO as a source, but it worked fine without the bug if I picked a big DVD folder as the source.

 

Therefore we needed to use the ISO as source, therefore we needed to use the CD & DVD Copy mode because it's the only one which allows ISO as the source.

Seems all three of you had bugs shipped with your versions!

 

 

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Hmm, mine accepts an ISO even in Video Compilation mode. Note that it only shows the movie and not the menu when using that mode.

 

 

 

Did Roxio make that ISO?

 

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[malatekid]

Seems all three of you had bugs shipped with your versions!

 

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Not I. I can choose either ISO or DVD-video folder set or any video file as source.