Industro Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 It just isn't working for me. Tried an assortment of HD source files. I keep getting errors saying that there are problems with the source material. Anybody actually get this to work? How did you do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincySaint Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 I think the point of the thread is about whether anyone has successfully BURNED an HD disk on a standard DVD using Toast. There are various playback compatibility issues with formats, players, etc. But in terms of getting this software to work, it looks like 1 person has had success. I will add my name to those who cannot get Toast to burn an HD disk. I've tried twice -- with different codecs -- MP4, H.264, and both times Toast crashed. We need some help here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khiem Nguyen Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 I've successfully burned a disc with BD on DVD with AVCHD and MPEG-2, so that makes two of us. :-) It doesn't play on the PS3, only the Sony BDP-S300 with the latest firmware. As for what the marketing for Toast 9 says, I don't know anything about that. I can just tell you what I know from experience about how this is working. I also successfully burned a BD in Toast 9 to a DVD media yesterday on a Mac Pro using MPEG-2 files ( export using Compressor ) . I burned 2 movies , one disc playback without problem on a home Sony set top BD player ( bought it around Christmas time ) but the second disc playback with video and audio skipping on some spots and I am still investigating why that is. I tried using H.264 file but keep getting error that some thing is wrong with my source file when try to burn. Still try to isolate this issue but seem like lot of people report the same issue. Will try with a Blu-Ray media and report here later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincySaint Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 OK, let's try to do this scientifically. I encoding a QT file as HDV (1080i) using AIC 1440x1080. Length about 1 minute. Toast starts to encode it Then I get ERROR: Result Code -18771 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collagenase Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Well, I tried, and only had minimal success. I took a single file directly in AVCHD format from my sony camera. The resulting DVD was only recognized as a data DVD on my PS3. None of the menus created (supposedly) by Toast appeared. And the aspect ratio was messed up. So, this is nearly a Toaster coaster. Oh, and that "The PS3 and Samsung players do not support this currently." is mostly bunk. I can make AVCHD DVDs on my PC using Sony's bundled utility and play them perfectly fine on my PS3. True, Samsung and Sharp players will not accept AVCHD. I also tried creating an image straight from my HDMV folder, but Toast crashed. Are you from Cincinnati, saint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincySaint Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Are you from Cincinnati, saint? Nope...I live there now but the Saint is as in "New Orleans Saints", my hometown. Anyway, I have some good news to report. I took the exact same HDV AIC file and tried again. I changed the encoding to MPEG2. The encoding worked and the disk burned !!! So for me the change to MPEG2 made Toast work when it didn't work before. It played fine in my Toshiba A2 HD DVD player. Now I have to say the AIC version was not the best. I've got motion blur and pixelation. But I can see those on the digital file. Toast just took what I gave it and put it on a disk. And that's all we can ask. Next I'm going to try some other QT files with MPEG2 encoding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collagenase Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Anyway, I have some good news to report. I took the exact same HDV AIC file and tried again. I changed the encoding to MPEG2. The encoding worked and the disk burned !!! It played fine in my Toshiba A2 HD DVD player. MPEG2. Ugg. How much video (time-wise) can you actually fit onto a DVD using a high definition MPEG2 encoding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincySaint Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 MPEG2. Ugg. How much video (time-wise) can you actually fit onto a DVD using a high definition MPEG2 encoding? I don't know but I think it's about 20 minutes -- up to 43 minutes on DVD DL. I tested two more movie files -- both of which crashed earlier attempts -- and they both worked with MPEG2. I used H264 and MP4 without any issues. So right now I think the Toast issue is with MPEG4 AVC encoding. It has never worked for me. I'm still not loving the results -- too much motion blur -- but again I think that's an issue with the video files not Toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Industro Posted March 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 I don't know but I think it's about 20 minutes -- up to 43 minutes on DVD DL. I tested two more movie files -- both of which crashed earlier attempts -- and they both worked with MPEG2. I used H264 and MP4 without any issues. So right now I think the Toast issue is with MPEG4 AVC encoding. It has never worked for me. I'm still not loving the results -- too much motion blur -- but again I think that's an issue with the video files not Toast. Yup - same here. I finally got my HD QuickTime .mov file (1920 x 1080 HDV) to successfully burn to a standard DVD disc when using MPEG-2 compression in an HD-DVD project. The result looks like crap though (tons of pixelation and motion blur compared to the original) and the audio did not come through (it was silent) but it at least played on my HD-DVD player. To bad it actually looked BETTER in Standard Definition on a regular DVD encoded with the previous Toast 8!!! Soooo... looks like Roxio needs to fix their MPEG-4 AVC encoding engine... any "official" word from Roxio on this problem yet? I submitted a trouble ticket this morning and still haven't heard anything back. So... I pose a new challenge to you all... Has anyone been able to burn a high definition video on standard DVD media (via a HD-DVD or Blu-ray Project) using the MPEG-4 setting in Toast 9??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freshburn Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 The PS3 will not play BD on DVD that are authored correctly. There are hacks to make it work, but it doesn't play spec discs. If the Sony app works, it because they are doing something non-standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John at Roxio Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Out of curiosity. If you take a BDMV on DVD disc and open it up as a data disc on the PS3, can you manually play the MPEG files? If so, then at least it is a valid work-around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Industro Posted March 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Out of curiosity. If you take a BDMV on DVD disc and open it up as a data disc on the PS3, can you manually play the MPEG files? If so, then at least it is a valid work-around. I can't get Toast 9 to encode anything using the MPEG-4 AVC setting, so I can't even create a BDMV Folder for a Blu-ray (or DVD) to test it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collagenase Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Out of curiosity. If you take a BDMV on DVD disc and open it up as a data disc on the PS3, can you manually play the MPEG files? If so, then at least it is a valid work-around. In this situation, the disk appears as a Data disk. Yes, you can manually browse to the STREAM directory and play the files (although, since my content was 1440x1080, the aspect ratio is not set correctly by your conversion). But, I was already able to do this using OS X 10.5's native support for UDF 2.0 disks. I can just throw a bunch of files into a DVD using Finder, burn the disk, and open it up on the PS3. The "work-around" is $99 for something I can already do, and if I do it through the Finder, my videos are properly scaled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philippe Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Toast 9 has been able to burn a BD DVD in MPEG4 for me, I think I had to change the "scratch disc" target to something with "more space" than the default partition. And Toast can make those DVD playback in the PS3, well... it's just a DATA disc That false marketing made me spend some dollars inducing me to believe I would be able to play my HD home movie from my Canon HG10 on a Blu-Ray DVD. We all want this feature to work, and so far Roxio's statement doesn't live up to its promises. Am I not entitled to get my money back then?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collagenase Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Okay freshburn, are you trying to tell everyone here that Sony, the holder of the AVCHD standard and essentially the founder of blu-ray has made their Play Station 3 incompatible with with their own specification? Yet, ULEAD and Sonic Studio and Adobe are all creating hacks to get it to work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Industro Posted March 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Toast 9 has been able to burn a BD DVD in MPEG4 for me, I think I had to change the "scratch disc" target to something with "more space" than the default partition. Please give us more details on how you were able to get this to work. What settings did you use? What was your source video file? (Codec, format, etc.) Most of us can't get this to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixel Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 It just isn't working for me. Tried an assortment of HD source files. I keep getting errors saying that there are problems with the source material. Anybody actually get this to work? How did you do it? For Blu-ray it does't work with a Blu-ray Hardware Player you will need BD/R or BD/RE... if you use HD-DVD it works with a Toshiba Hardware Player... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freshburn Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 I'm saying Ulead is not creating BDMV on DVD. They are creating something else "AVCHD on DVD", which is entirely different and I have yet to find any information regarding that 'format'. It could be AVREC disc, which is yet again an entirely different format. "Sonic Studio" only makes audio software, unless you are referring to Sonic Solutions in which case their pro-software also doesn't not create BD on DVD that work on the PS3 from the disc I've seen. Adobe uses the Sonic engine, so I question if that would work either. So you can argue all day long, it doesn't work PS3, other players work fine. Use Ulead if you like. Blu-ray still has years to go before it even comes close to being truly useful as an HD format. Many of the players still don't support the final BD specs either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collagenase Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 So, I mistook the two "Sonic" companies. My bad. I want to point out something. http://www.roxio.com/enu/products/toast/titanium/watch.html I quote: Standard DVDs just went high-def! It has never been more affordable to save or share your high-def family memories or TV shows. Import your AVCHD high-def camcorder footage then burn in HD to inexpensive standard DVDs for playback on any compatible Blu-ray or HD DVD set top box, including Xbox 360 and Playstation 3. Need I say more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixel Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 So, I mistook the two "Sonic" companies. My bad. I want to point out something. http://www.roxio.com/enu/products/toast/titanium/watch.html I quote: Need I say more? Yes but you also know its marketing language ...:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhillestad Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 It just isn't working for me. Tried an assortment of HD source files. I keep getting errors saying that there are problems with the source material. Anybody actually get this to work? How did you do it? I made a dvd-r from some .mts (avchd) files and my PS3 sees the disc as a data disc so it does not behave like a movie disc - if I dig into the folders of the disc itself I can see my mts files and they will play but the whole point was to make a playable movie from avchd material onto dvd-r ... My Sony VRD5 can easily do this but it requires a Sony camera to do it (which I have) .... I just do not understand the advertising of this feature and it does not work .... the documentation is so weak on how to do it... and I cannot find any doc on the elgato toast video playback/editor But I will say the ability to playback mts files straight on the computer was a very welcomed sight! I did take the same files and make a HD DVD movie using a dvd-r ... just clicked hddvd instead of bluray and told it dvd ...My Toshiba did play it as a hddvd and all worked as expected..... HOWEVER the SAME dvd-r would NOT work on my Xbox 360 HDdvd drive... go figure... Whats the deal with Blu ray and dvd-r ? Will this function work in Toast ? It works with the Sony vrd5 , it works with the Sony software for Windows.... is there a step I missed somewhere for Toast 9 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Industro Posted March 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 The bottom line... No one here (except maybe for Pixel) has been able to successfully burn a standard DVD with HD content using the MPEG-4 AVC codec in Toast 9. This feature is advertised as part of Toast 9 and it doesn't work. If Pixel can post his QuickTime file, I'd like to see what is "unique" about that file and see if I can get it to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freshburn Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 I've successfully burned a disc with BD on DVD with AVCHD and MPEG-2, so that makes two of us. :-) It doesn't play on the PS3, only the Sony BDP-S300 with the latest firmware. As for what the marketing for Toast 9 says, I don't know anything about that. I can just tell you what I know from experience about how this is working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freshburn Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Works for me, but only on the Sony BDP-S300. The PS3 and Samsung players do not support this currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Industro Posted March 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Works for me, but only on the Sony BDP-S300. The PS3 and Samsung players do not support this currently. What was your source file? What codec/file fromat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhillestad Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Works for me, but only on the Sony BDP-S300. The PS3 and Samsung players do not support this currently. I am confused about this , my Sony VRD-MC5 will easily make avchd movies to a high def playable movie on a dvd-r that works on my PS3 ... I just hook the camera to the burner put a cheap dvd-r in and in minutes it copie the mts files over to the proper structure and the ps3 blu ray sees it as a completely playable movie in hi def. Here is the vrd: http://www.amazon.com/Sony-VRDMC5-DVDirect...6525&sr=8-1 The ps3 has the latest firmware on it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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