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Crossfade Not Working


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The most bizarre thing is happening to me. I've never ANY trouble with crossfading tracks on Toast. Recently, I upgraded to Toast 9 and my crossfades arent working properly.

 

I will set the custom crossfade and then "apply" but it doesnt save. The crossfade doesnt set, it just goes back to the tracklist and it's like I never did the crossfade. I can preview the crossfade in the crossfade window and it sounds perfect, but it doesnt save.

 

I've noticed that it only does this with certain tracks. I really dont get it. I uninstalled Toast 9 and went back to Toast 8, and now Toast 8 is doing it too!

 

 

Does anyone have any ideas how to stop this?

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forgive me if this is a stupid question...but what is a Combine System Update and where can I find it? Is this different than the normal updates that my computer gets and warns me I need to restart?

 

Where do i download combined system updates?

 

 

Thanks again for your help!

Go to This Page and you'll see the combo update listed in the Featured Downloads box. It is different from the the incremental update that was installed using the Software Updates page but in theory you should end up with exactly the same as you have now. However, there are times when incremental software updates don't get everything quite right and the fix for this is to apply the combo update.

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I personally suspect that the problem is with the source files. Try taking both files and re-encoding them in iTunes. Just set the encoding properties you want in the iTunes preferences (under Advanced - importing), and then with the file selected in iTunes go to the Advanced menu and select "convert selection to..."

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I personally suspect that the problem is with the source files. Try taking both files and re-encoding them in iTunes. Just set the encoding properties you want in the iTunes preferences (under Advanced - importing), and then with the file selected in iTunes go to the Advanced menu and select "convert selection to..."

 

 

 

I thought this could be the case also...but then why would the same songs have WORKED before but not now? How could they have changed overnight?

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I suggest trashing the Toast plist and prefs files from your User>Library>Preferences folder and relaunching Toast.

 

 

This still didn't work:( Man, why does stuff like this always have to happen to me....all i want to do is make a simple audio CD.

 

 

ANyone else have any ideas? This is such BS. I'm so pissed. I used to be able to make such great CDs where every track blended together.

 

ANYONE??

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I am having the same Crossfade problem.

 

I removed all files from the mac. reinstalled and still have the problem. Its as simple as this. If I click the preview button in the custom crossfade window my crossfade sounds perfect. Then I "apply" it. Then I go out to the main window and play the toast file from 30 seconds into the previous song to hear the transition and the crossfade I stored ( which I see as blackened in the main window and active. The transition whch sound perfect in the other window now plays back with glitches and the burned cd or image file also has bad transitions. I go back into the crossfade window my work is fine if I hit preview. (By the way tech support has been friendly but useless. For this level of problem they should be reading the forums..which they admit they don't read.) So please submit these issues to Tech support so they see how many people are having this problem.... it will put a fire under their %#$.

 

In this state TOAST is unusable. [/b]

 

If anyone comes across a solution please post it. I'm considering switching to Peak or sonicblade.

thanks

Dan

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Jam has been my prime crossfade tool for years and now it is apparently ruined. I dare say future OSX updates will render the now-unsupported Jam 6 useless too, not too long from now.

 

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but the crossfade tool hasn't changed since Jam 6.

 

Be that as it may, I did the following test.

NOTE: I ripped and burned commercial audio for testing purposes only. The final disc that I burned has been shredded. Shredding discs is noisy by the way. I now fear my wife more then the RIAA :D

 

Step 1: Import 3 tracks directly into iTunes from a commercial audio CD. Import settings are set to AIFF (44.8Khz, 16-bit, stereo).

Step 2: Add to Toast 9 and use the crossfade tool to overlap the songs quite a bit with the track change marker set right in the middle of the crossfade.

Step 3 Burned the disc. When I was about to burn, I realized your problem might be here. I confirmed on the advanced tab that DAO was selected. If your burn is set to TAO it is impossible to have a true zero second pause. TAO, by definition, will disengage and reengage the laser between each track.

Step 4: Listened to the final disc in iTunes. I skipped the whole song and just played back the last 10 and first 10 seconds of the crossfaded tracks. I closed my eyes and could not tell at all when the track number changed during playback.

 

I hope your problem is as I suspect in Step 3, otherwise, I cant tell what could possibly be wrong. However, I confirmed here, now, in the middle of the night, sitting in bed, that this works properly when I try it.

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:angry2:

 

I too am finding the same problem Running Toast 9 on a 10.4.8 g5 with 5 gigs of ram and 50 gigs free on the drive. The Crossfades are getting corrupted. I have tried bouncing a disk image before burning and that just stores the messed up fades as well.

Has anyone tried this in Toast 10? Do I need to run a newer OS to use Version 10 of toast. This really is annoying and also mind blowing that the Roxio people have not weighed in on the forum to tell us what the problems is....Do I have to go buy another competitive product to get a working version of an old crucial feature? Blue ray and soap feature won't impress me if the basics features don't work and don't indicate a problem.

thanks

Dan

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I too am finding the same problem Running Toast 9 on a 10.4.8 g5 with 5 gigs of ram and 50 gigs free on the drive. The Crossfades are getting corrupted. I have tried bouncing a disk image before burning and that just stores the messed up fades as well.

Has anyone tried this in Toast 10? Do I need to run a newer OS to use Version 10 of toast. This really is annoying and also mind blowing that the Roxio people have not weighed in on the forum to tell us what the problems is....Do I have to go buy another competitive product to get a working version of an old crucial feature? Blue ray and soap feature won't impress me if the basics features don't work and don't indicate a problem.

thanks

Dan

Dan, It's been since May 2008 that anyone added to this thread. I don't know what that does mean, but it could be that the issue was solved with a Toast update. Have you updated to Toast 9.0.4? Why haven't you updated to OS 10.4.11? Are you current with your QuickTime updates? Are you using AIFF audio files?

 

Toast 10 requires OS 10.5.

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I have the same problem with Toast 9.0.2 on my Mac G5 dual 2.7_10.4.9.

 

But, it only occurs when I playback crossfaded material or anything joined with a "0" sec pause.

 

The burned CD itself does not reproduce the glitch when played back through different software. I-Tunes for example. But if I import the same CD back into Toast 9.0.2 I hear the same glitch.

 

So it seem to me to be a playback issue. At least with me. I am curious. Have you tried playing the CD back with different software or through another computer or CD player?

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the response. And thanks for going to the trouble of checking your Toast 9. But I can confirm the re-vamped "Jam" in Toast 9 still has the problems I've mentioned.

 

The problem becomes apparent before the burning stage, and exhibits itself as soon as "Apply" is clicked after preparing the crossfade and the window changes back to the tracklisting. From that window, every track join ehibits the problem on audition. In any case, the preferences are set to DAO.

 

There is no doubt about this. I'm doing nothing differently than when I'm using Jam 6 (which is fine). Two different computers (Macbbok Pro and iMac) have been tried. It's all the more annoying to now know that Jam 6 and the Toast 9 version are the same (apart from some bug that seems to me to have entered in the cosmetic change from one to the other). It means I've spent $100 for nothing, even if it was working properly! Oh well...

 

THERE HAS BEEN ONE SMALL CHANGE: When I used the Toast 9 install disc yesterday (9.0) and did NOT subsequently download the update, and imported via iTunes, I initially thought the problem might be solved. The first pair of tracks crossfaded (tracks 1 and 2 of 3) DID NOT show the problem when "Apply" was hit. Auditioning the crossfade in the main track window, the crossfade sounded smooth.

I actually got quite excited! But on doing the next crossfade (tracks 2 and 3), that one showed the usual problem and worst than that, the first crossfade was now affected too. Trying again several times, I've been unable to produce another single example of a crossfade without the problem.

 

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Thanks for the response. And thanks for going to the trouble of checking your Toast 9. But I can confirm the re-vamped "Jam" in Toast 9 still has the problems I've mentioned.

 

The problem becomes apparent before the burning stage, and exhibits itself as soon as "Apply" is clicked after preparing the crossfade and the window changes back to the tracklisting. From that window, every track join ehibits the problem on audition. In any case, the preferences are set to DAO.

 

There is no doubt about this. I'm doing nothing differently than when I'm using Jam 6 (which is fine). Two different computers (Macbbok Pro and iMac) have been tried. It's all the more annoying to now know that Jam 6 and the Toast 9 version are the same (apart from some bug that seems to me to have entered in the cosmetic change from one to the other). It means I've spent $100 for nothing, even if it was working properly! Oh well...

 

THERE HAS BEEN ONE SMALL CHANGE: When I used the Toast 9 install disc yesterday (9.0) and did NOT subsequently download the update, and imported via iTunes, I initially thought the problem might be solved. The first pair of tracks crossfaded (tracks 1 and 2 of 3) DID NOT show the problem when "Apply" was hit. Auditioning the crossfade in the main track window, the crossfade sounded smooth.

I actually got quite excited! But on doing the next crossfade (tracks 2 and 3), that one showed the usual problem and worst than that, the first crossfade was now affected too. Trying again several times, I've been unable to produce another single example of a crossfade without the problem.

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I have the same problem. I have totally wasted $100 because Jam 6 works better with my new 3.06ghz iMac or Penryn-version Macbook Pro than Toast 9, in terms of crossfading. I've been in contact with three telephone service people at Roxio and none know what to do. They've had me trash certain files, download updates, try without updates, go through the computer trashing the myriad of files Toast 9 places in every nook and cranny of the hard drive.... I've clean erased and reinstalled my computer's operating system and all software THREE TIMES and it is IMPOSSIBLE to crossfade without a dropout sound appearing at the point one places the track divider bar. As soon as "Apply" is clicked, the problem is apparent. Only by returning to the crossfade window can you hear the crossfade as it should be. But one has to hit "Apply" before you can do anything with it, and then the fault is there.

 

I went to the Apple Store where I bought this Toast 9 for $99 (!) to check if there were any solutions they could think of. No ideas from them. Fortunately, from a quick test of Jam 6, it seems that works with the latest version of OSX. Deeper inspection might show some incompatibilities I suppose, but having tested the main crossfade function, it works. But tonight I was stupid enough to try Toast 9 again... with the same result... and I'll soon be doing another erase and install.

 

It's nothing to do with the audio files. I've used AIFF files from both CDRs and several standard commercial CDs with Toast 9, plus files of tracks previously crossfaded in Jam and burned on previous versions of Toast (like Toast 7), with ALL showing the same problem when used to crossfade in Toast 9.

 

Jam has been my prime crossfade tool for years and now it is apparently ruined. I dare say future OSX updates will render the now-unsupported Jam 6 useless too, not too long from now.

 

UPDATE: Just tried the suggestion of transferring the AIFF files to iTunes (as AIFF files) and importing them to Toast 9 via iTunes. Makes no difference. There is still a sound "bump" in all crossfades made in Toast 9, at the point of the track marker.

 

I shall use Jam 6 for the time being. But as I've paid for this unusable Toast 9 and can't get my money back, I hope Roxio will remedy this soon so I can actually use it sometime! But that seems unlikely, judging from the fact that no-one there seems to have spotted this problem for themselves.

 

Send me a private message with a step by step method to recreate the problem and I'll look in to this...

 

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I'm not sure. I have several files that didn't play properly on my iphone and then i noticed that these were the same ones I had problems with in Toast. I just encoded them over again and the problem went away. I'm not sure what the cause was, but that was the solution for sure.

 

I have the same problem. I have totally wasted $100 because Jam 6 works better with my new 3.06ghz iMac or Penryn-version Macbook Pro than Toast 9, in terms of crossfading. I've been in contact with three telephone service people at Roxio and none know what to do. They've had me trash certain files, download updates, try without updates, go through the computer trashing the myriad of files Toast 9 places in every nook and cranny of the hard drive.... I've clean erased and reinstalled my computer's operating system and all software THREE TIMES and it is IMPOSSIBLE to crossfade without a dropout sound appearing at the point one places the track divider bar. As soon as "Apply" is clicked, the problem is apparent. Only by returning to the crossfade window can you hear the crossfade as it should be. But one has to hit "Apply" before you can do anything with it, and then the fault is there.

 

I went to the Apple Store where I bought this Toast 9 for $99 (!) to check if there were any solutions they could think of. No ideas from them. Fortunately, from a quick test of Jam 6, it seems that works with the latest version of OSX. Deeper inspection might show some incompatibilities I suppose, but having tested the main crossfade function, it works. But tonight I was stupid enough to try Toast 9 again... with the same result... and I'll soon be doing another erase and install.

 

It's nothing to do with the audio files. I've used AIFF files from both CDRs and several standard commercial CDs with Toast 9, plus files of tracks previously crossfaded in Jam and burned on previous versions of Toast (like Toast 7), with ALL showing the same problem when used to crossfade in Toast 9.

 

Jam has been my prime crossfade tool for years and now it is apparently ruined. I dare say future OSX updates will render the now-unsupported Jam 6 useless too, not too long from now.

 

UPDATE: Just tried the suggestion of transferring the AIFF files to iTunes (as AIFF files) and importing them to Toast 9 via iTunes. Makes no difference. There is still a sound "bump" in all crossfades made in Toast 9, at the point of the track marker.

 

I shall use Jam 6 for the time being. But as I've paid for this unusable Toast 9 and can't get my money back, I hope Roxio will remedy this soon so I can actually use it sometime! But that seems unlikely, judging from the fact that no-one there seems to have spotted this problem for themselves.

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This still didn't work:( Man, why does stuff like this always have to happen to me....all i want to do is make a simple audio CD.

 

 

ANyone else have any ideas? This is such BS. I'm so pissed. I used to be able to make such great CDs where every track blended together.

 

ANYONE??

What kind of details can yo provide so that I can try doing the same thing with the same kind of source audio files? What kind of Mac are you using and which OS?

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What kind of details can yo provide so that I can try doing the same thing with the same kind of source audio files? What kind of Mac are you using and which OS?

 

 

I'm using a brand new (3 months old) IMac with Leopard on it.

 

The files I'm working with are all mp3s only. All of them were downloaded from the net.

 

What else would you like to know? I'll tell u anything, i just want to fix this:(

 

 

THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!!

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What kind of details can yo provide so that I can try doing the same thing with the same kind of source audio files? What kind of Mac are you using and which OS?

 

 

Also, i completely re-installed MAC OSX LEOPARD today. The whole entire operating system, and i'm STILL having this error in Toast with certain tracks.

 

WTF!!!???

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Also, i completely re-installed MAC OSX LEOPARD today. The whole entire operating system, and i'm STILL having this error in Toast with certain tracks.

 

WTF!!!???

You say this happens with some files and not others and your files are mp3's that likely were encoded from different sources. If you don't already have them in iTunes add the mp3s to iTunes. Select in iTunes one of the ones that works in Toast choose Get Info. Note the bit rate, sample rate, channels and other info about the files. Now do the same with one that doesn't work. Are there any differences in how the mp3s are described?

 

A good workaround could be to set iTunes encoder preference to AIFF and convert those mp3s in iTunes to AIFF files (44.1 khz, 16-bit). Then add those to the Toast windown. You could skip iTunes altogether by adding the mp3s to the Toast Convert window and convert to AIFF. Toast has to do this anyway in order to create the audio CD so you're just doing it as a separate step.

 

I don't have any problems with setting crossfades in Toast with the mp3s I've downloaded from eMusic.com and I don't know what is different with your files.

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Send me a private message with a step by step method to recreate the problem and I'll look in to this...

 

Thanks. But there's nothing I can add that I haven't said already. Using the latest iMac 3.06ghz or a Macbook Pro, even with Toast 9 being the only application added after a clean erase and install, the crossfades exhibit a fault (dropout effect) at the point of the track marker after "Apply" is clicked in the crossfade window on completion of the crossfade process. All crossfaded tracks in the main window exhibit the fault, though it is not apparent in the individual crossfade windows themselves, while constructing the crossfade.

 

This does not happen in Jam 6. It happens with all crossfades in Toast 9, whatever import option has been chosen for the tracks – and whether AIFF, SDII or whatever. The effect is OBVIOUS through headphones (whether using the computer's own headphone or a third-party audio interface) and renders the software useless. The problem is the same whether using the recent Toast 9 software update or not.

 

The software has been re-installed four times, with and without updates, and always shows the same problem, regardless of the machine used. Tracks are set for zero pause. Rather than hope for a solution, all I'm hoping for at present is that someone at Roxio will actually recognize this obvious fault!

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You say this happens with some files and not others and your files are mp3's that likely were encoded from different sources. If you don't already have them in iTunes add the mp3s to iTunes. Select in iTunes one of the ones that works in Toast choose Get Info. Note the bit rate, sample rate, channels and other info about the files. Now do the same with one that doesn't work. Are there any differences in how the mp3s are described?

 

A good workaround could be to set iTunes encoder preference to AIFF and convert those mp3s in iTunes to AIFF files (44.1 khz, 16-bit). Then add those to the Toast windown. You could skip iTunes altogether by adding the mp3s to the Toast Convert window and convert to AIFF. Toast has to do this anyway in order to create the audio CD so you're just doing it as a separate step.

 

I don't have any problems with setting crossfades in Toast with the mp3s I've downloaded from eMusic.com and I don't know what is different with your files.

 

 

Does the bitrate really matter? The only differences between the two files I was trying to crossfade are the bitrate...the first one was 320, the second one was 128. Would that really make them NOT crossfade? everything else was the same...44.1khz, mpeg 1-layer 3, stereo channels

 

so can the bitrate really cause the two files to not crossfade?

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I thought this could be the case also...but then why would the same songs have WORKED before but not now? How could they have changed overnight?

 

I'm not sure. I have several files that didn't play properly on my iphone and then i noticed that these were the same ones I had problems with in Toast. I just encoded them over again and the problem went away. I'm not sure what the cause was, but that was the solution for sure.

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Just made the mistake of trying again, installing Toast 9 after a fresh erase and install of the latest OSX. Total waste of time. Dropouts at every crossfade point. I'd have been better off not buying a new computer or Toast 9 and sticking with Panther and Jam 6. Why was it that I knew if something was going to destroy the pleasure of upgrading, it would be something that Roxio had a hand in? Weeks go by and they say they can't even detect the problem. Yet four people out of four I've spoken to are in the exact same boat as me. Pitiful.

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Does the bitrate really matter? The only differences between the two files I was trying to crossfade are the bitrate...the first one was 320, the second one was 128. Would that really make them NOT crossfade? everything else was the same...44.1khz, mpeg 1-layer 3, stereo channels

 

so can the bitrate really cause the two files to not crossfade?

I agree with you that the bit rate shouldn't matter. Now that I know the specs on your files I can check if I have the same issue with mp3s encoded at 128 kbps.

 

Let me know if converting that mp3 to AIFF succeeds as a workaround.

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I agree with you that the bit rate shouldn't matter. Now that I know the specs on your files I can check if I have the same issue with mp3s encoded at 128 kbps.

 

Let me know if converting that mp3 to AIFF succeeds as a workaround.

 

 

I'm at work right now so I can't do the converting at this time, but i will the MINUTE i get home and I'll let you know.

 

something else i forgot to mention, the songs that are NOT crossfading now...used to crossfade perfectly before. so something happened that made it stop working.

 

now that I think about it, when I upgraded to Toast 9 is when i noticed this problem. tracks the previously would crossfade perfectly just stopped working. Also, its not always the SAME tracks that don't crossfade. sometimes a certain track will work and other will not...and vice versa. its very bizzarre

 

 

when I tried to downgrade back to Toast 8, the problem still occured.

 

 

NIGHTMARE

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