Avc Files

[john e]

Hi,

okay I admit defeat!

please can someone give me the correct settings to get an AVC pal file into dvdit without the warning popping up?

I am using sony AVC 1440x1080 15000 50i ( tried 14000 and 8000 ) non seem to get through( dvda5 allows them fine)...mpeg goes through fine, although why it insists on warning me that its not DVD compliant when I am using a bluray templet I will never know.

Also can anyone tell me the settings for VC1 files is that a wmv file format?

cheers john

[john e]

Thanks for taking the time to reply,

I use sony vegas 8 as my NLE and render using the following

Video format SONY AVC

frame size 1440 x 1080

profile Main

entrophy coding CABAC

frame rate 25

field order lower

pixel aspect 1.333

bit rate 15,000,000

elementary stream

 

this setting apears to go into DVDA5 ok although i do see discussion from other users on the sony forum who are having difficulty.

when i import this into DVDit pro i get a warning about bluray and the video appears to have a form of corruption on the play back screen, the very bottom line has a green line across.

I notice mainconcept have an encoder labeled AVC/AAC within vegas but this uses an MPEG4 extension to the file.

I will keep trying to come up with a solution but AVC rendering is painfully slow compared to MPEG ,even on my quad core

later today i will build a project and burn it to bd-re to see what happens. will let you know.

cheers john

 

 

[SS Scott]

john, don't waste your time. do a series of 5 second encodes with different parameters. you don't need much to see if the video is legal or not...certainly not a full timeline.

[john e]

john, don't waste your time. do a series of 5 second encodes with different parameters. you don't need much to see if the video is legal or not...certainly not a full timeline.

been trying all day just a 3 min clip taken from the last show i filmed..no joy so far..looks like mpeg will be the only way to go..thats ok will just have to see what bit rates i can get away with while maintaining quality..trying to get 2 hrs 20 on one 25g disc prob have to go for dual layer but the only prob is im reluctant to buy any more of those disc because no vendor states what spec the disc is ie version 1.1 or 1.2 etc.(1.1 is not compatible with my lg burner..grrr)..

on that subject any chance of having a look at the disc size indicator because it tells you theres room on disc but then causes error report trying to burn, with no real clue as to why. how full can a disc be before this error report crops up? my last project had just under 1gig left and wouldnt create image until i changed to 50gb..very irritating!

cheers and all the best

john

 

[danny]

NEW Reference available, for PC and MAC!

 

http://www.mainconcept.com/site/prosumer-p...-20393.html?L=0

 

 

I tested AVC AND VC-1 with the mac-reference! with PAL-frame-rate! NO transcoding happening and both streams will be muxed fine!

 

I think it will be fine with the PC-version, too.

 

creating BDs on a mac is just a step away now!

 

 

finally happy

 

danny

[john e]

ok tried mainconcept avc/aac in sony vegas which produces an mpeg 4 file extension.

loads into DVDA5 fine and calls it an avc file. plays back ok no green lines etc

same file into dvdit and it loads but crashes if you try to play.

dvda wants to recompress it but that might be due to project settings. will have a look but still looks if dvdit has an issue with avc...john

[shueardm]

sorenson squeeze 5 is definately not cheap ,

 

I think it is very cheap. .

 

[rexdigital]

ok tried mainconcept avc/aac in sony vegas which produces an mpeg 4 file extension.

loads into DVDA5 fine and calls it an avc file. plays back ok no green lines etc

same file into dvdit and it loads but crashes if you try to play.

dvda wants to recompress it but that might be due to project settings. will have a look but still looks if dvdit has an issue with avc...john

 

It sounds more like AVC out of spec files play fine in DVDA5.

 

DVDITPRO HD won't allow any kind of diversion from a fully compliant AVC file.

If it accepts files from Sonic Cinevision then there is no problem. Mainconcept

needs to clean up their codec a little.

 

While I realize it would be kinda cool to use AVC as a codec, there is really no

reason at all not to be using mpeg2. with BD-50 support now you should have plenty

of room.

[john e]

It sounds more like AVC out of spec files play fine in DVDA5.

 

DVDITPRO HD won't allow any kind of diversion from a fully compliant AVC file.

If it accepts files from Sonic Cinevision then there is no problem. Mainconcept

needs to clean up their codec a little.

 

While I realize it would be kinda cool to use AVC as a codec, there is really no

reason at all not to be using mpeg2. with BD-50 support now you should have plenty

of room.

hi, just tried a file with avc extension 25pal 15,000,000 elementary stream..loads into dvda5 and NO recompression..but wont go into dvdit..

i take your point about mpeg and 50g discs but the 50g discs are hard to find , very expensive and the last one was version 1.1...useless and sony! and £20

doing more tests checking PQ with avc in dvda5 ...but still think dvdit has an issue if dvda5 can use footage with no compression and produce playable disc...let u know

[Apollon_2]

Hi guys

 

What setting do you use to get the file blu-ray compliant.(VC1 or AVC)

i tried different ones and keep getting non-compliant

 

Thanks

[rexdigital]

but still think dvdit has an issue if dvda5 can use footage with no compression and produce playable disc...let u know

 

 

for that to be true dvdit would have to "relax" its strict adherance to proper AVC codec specifications.

This could make it potentially unstable and contribute to unplayable discs.

 

For example, I have had mpeg2 files that will load into dvd studio pro and compile just fine,

yet Sonic ReelDVD will reject those streams or report errors. You have to bear in mind that

Sonic is proud to be the gold standard when it comes to disc authoring and only allowing

A/V streams with 100% spec compliance contributes to their reliability/reputation across the board.

 

I would look for another encoder for AVC if you really want it to work.

[john e]

Hi guys

 

What setting do you use to get the file blu-ray compliant.(VC1 or AVC)

i tried different ones and keep getting non-compliant

 

Thanks

hi,used sorenson squeeze 5, still have some probs but generaly the templates on offer are compliant...vc1 in particular

[john e]

Hey John-E, didn't know you were in Scotland. Lucky.

 

I wish i was there so i could have some Haggis & Taddies & Nips!

unfortunately its raining again, the view is great ,when I can see it! oh well summer in scotland haha

[SS Scott]

ya, this is a tough balance. many of the streams that you fing out there will pass through other applications without transcoding, but if masters are created with those streams, they will fail in the Blu-ray verifiers and be booted out by replicators. so, do you allow people to pass through non-legal streams and find out later that they have compatability issues or do you reject their streams up front.

[john e]

ya, this is a tough balance. many of the streams that you fing out there will pass through other applications without transcoding, but if masters are created with those streams, they will fail in the Blu-ray verifiers and be booted out by replicators. so, do you allow people to pass through non-legal streams and find out later that they have compatability issues or do you reject their streams up front.

thats fine and i see your point, however can someone tell me what encoder will produce legal streams(sensible budget please!) as ive just tried mainconcept reference and that wont create avc or vc1 files that pass through( well not my ones)

has anyone got an avc file in straight from the likes of procoder, tmpg, cinema craft etc etc if so help would be appreciated..ta john

im starting to feel as if im missing something obvious here

 

 

[SS Scott]

I can confirm what Danny stated a few posts ago. the latest version of Main Concept's Reference Encoder creates fully compliang BD AVC and VC-1 streams in all sizes and all frame rates that pass through DVDit Pro HD 6.4 with no issue. Just created a BD volume with 23 separate streams (1080i, 1080p, 1440 and 720p in both AVC and VC-1 in all BD legal frame rates) and all streams passed through without transcoding.

[john e]

well got a vc1 file in no warning (apart from a dvd one????) used sorrenson squeeze...

[SS Scott]

so I am told main concept will produce a legal 24p stream but everythine else comes in as not legal. Squeeze VC-1 is also problematic. I think you will find that even though it imports fine, you can not seek the file beyond a certain point in DVDit...so you can't place chapter points or grab thumbnails from the video for menu buttons. You'll also find that their presets don't create what they say they create. I seem to recall the 23.976 and 24 frame presets were both creating 29.97 video. Don't really recall, but there are issues. They're working on it. I think some of their VC-1 streams will pass through to disc though...

[john e]

wow 51 views and not one person knows the answer, must be a problem for everyone then...ha,ha...

[john e]

so I am told main concept will produce a legal 24p stream but everythine else comes in as not legal. Squeeze VC-1 is also problematic. I think you will find that even though it imports fine, you can not seek the file beyond a certain point in DVDit...so you can't place chapter points or grab thumbnails from the video for menu buttons. You'll also find that their presets don't create what they say they create. I seem to recall the 23.976 and 24 frame presets were both creating 29.97 video. Don't really recall, but there are issues. They're working on it. I think some of their VC-1 streams will pass through to disc though...

hi scott, just purchased sorenson squeeze 5(ouch that was sore on wallet!)frame serving avi out of vegas 8 the vc1 seems fine, built disc ,used sub menu for chapters and it loaded frame grab ok at chapter point fine.used vc1 hdv 1440x1080 50i template..

still getting run time error crash when scrubbing time line..but living with it (learn to save often)

Also built what i thought was avc but it had an mpeg4 file extension..it imported fine with no warnings so will see what happens.

certainly seems to be that sorenson 5 produces legal files that dvdit will accept...phew!.....now if i could solve the run time error life would be cool..cheers john

 

 

 

[danny]

mainconcept is just a matter of time!

 

I´m a licenced mac-user of the MCC-coder and I was in contact with the maincept-support over the last 2 years!

 

mainconcept announced their new reference nearly 1 year ago for PC AND mac! but they had trouble programming it for MAC OS. but finally they had a release-date for the mac-version 2.Q08, and it´s still not released!

 

so I asked why it is not released, and they tould me, that they are working on a major bug withing (but it should be released within the last 2 weeks!!).

 

So I guess they are working on the h.264-problem and they wouldn´t release the mac-version until this problem will be solved. (there will be no VC-1-encoder within the mac-version!)

 

 

just my 2 cent

 

 

 

danny

[john e]

mainconcept is just a matter of time!

 

I´m a licenced mac-user of the MCC-coder and I was in contact with the maincept-support over the last 2 years!

 

mainconcept announced their new reference nearly 1 year ago for PC AND mac! but they had trouble programming it for MAC OS. but finally they had a release-date for the mac-version 2.Q08, and it´s still not released!

 

so I asked why it is not released, and they tould me, that they are working on a major bug withing (but it should be released within the last 2 weeks!!).

 

So I guess they are working on the h.264-problem and they wouldn´t release the mac-version until this problem will be solved. (there will be no VC-1-encoder within the mac-version!)

danny

 

 

just my 2 cent

hi Danny, well ive just watched my 'film' on my pana 42 1080p plasma, looks really good for 1440x1080 upscaled by the bluray player,it was a complex picture lots of motion

basically filmed from my livingroom window looking across the sea to the island of arran (west coast of scotland), the sea cat ferry crossing to northern ireland was going past ..so lots of waves etc that the hdv codec isnt supposed to like (canon xh-a1 hdv codec is quite resiliant) i encoded using the VC1 codec at 17000 and there was no blocking. looked as good as mpeg2 at 24000 IMO.

i did try the mcc reference encoder but it was way over priced and not compliant with avc.

sorenson squeeze 5 is definately not cheap , but it produces the results so thats me happy, well nearly...RUN TIME ERROR! HAHA!

 

 

 

 

[danny]

wow 51 views and not one person knows the answer, must be a problem for everyone then...ha,ha...

 

hey john,

a few questions:

 

1.) which version are you using?

2.) which encoder do you use to encode your video to AVC??

 

 

danny

[SS Scott]

honestly there just are not a lot of encoders out there that can create BD legal AVC or VC-1 streams at this point with presets. the process is complex and will require a lot of trial and error. the software is fully qualified with streams from Sonic CineVision (which is not a lot of help for this group as it is a $25,000 tool) but most of the other streams I have seen are not BD legal. I have heard that Main Concept Reference 24p works as a legal stream...but their other frame rates do not. The sticky post on this forum with MPEG-2 settings came about after a lot of work from the community. AVC and VC-1 are going to be the same.

[rexdigital]

 

Hey John-E, didn't know you were in Scotland. Lucky.

 

I wish i was there so i could have some Haggis & Taddies & Nips!

 

[danny]

hey john,

it´s not that simple, as SS Scott described! I would like to use Maincocept Reference for MAC, but as I described before, it is not released yet! the old MCC-encoder that I´m using with my mac is version 1.5.1 and it´s not optimised for INTEL-MACs. I have no more PPC-Mac´s so I could only use it under ROSETTA, so it is very slow, and finally it only could create MPEG2 (SD).

 

So I teted the Reference for Windows with a lot different settings! AVC and VC-1, the result is perfect ( I have been told that even the SONIC-Encoders work on the same Engine).

 

You can import the assets to DVDitHD and test it, but finally when you´re muxing the project the files will be trancoded to m2vHD or your get an error!

 

I my opinion it is better to have a programm that points you to the problem, as to have problem with the replication!!

 

In the reason I´m working within professional bussiness (for german broadcast-companys and commercials), I have to work on a professional standart. So I have to wait until a professional solution will be sold!

 

I would like to buy a sonic BD-creator with the encoders, too, but I haven´t got the money to spent.

 

 

cheers

 

 

danny