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Hello all! Please forgive the book I'm about to publish, but here goes:

 

So far, I have had a few problems with 2009 Ultimate, which has been very frustrating! My productivity is in the toilet! When I buy software, I expect to install it and then have it work properly. With Roxio 2009 Ultimate, that simply has not been the case. Don't get me wrong, I like 2009 very much, but would be thrilled if everything would work. I'm running a Dell 8300, WinXP Pro SP3, 3Gig RAM. My Camcorder is a Sony HVR A1 - 1440x1080 HDV miniDV. I capture all my video in 1440x1080 MPEG.

 

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I Purchased and downloaded Ultimate 2009 from Roxio's website. Also purchased the backup CDs that they eventually mailed to me. Anyway, my EMC 9 just wasn't cutting it anymore, and since I was in the middle of working on a project, I needed to upgrade right away, so I downloaded and installed onto my pc so that I could keep working and not have to wait for the CD's to arrive in the mail. OK, so after the download and install, I kept getting the dreaded cineplayer decoder pack error message. Roxio tech support suggested a removal of all other Roxio and Sonic versions from my pc and then do a clean reinstall. I did that and it worked. It was a royal pain though. It wasn't as simple as just using add/remove in the control panel. You actually have to go in and delete things out of the registry, etc.

 

I also had problems with the registration box that would pop up and freeze during online registration process. Again, Roxio tech support gave me the fix to this. I had to go in and edit my registry to show the Roxio product as registered. No biggie, but you have to do this each time you do a clean reinstall. Why can't they just fix this?

 

OK, so after the complete removal of my old Sonic and EMC versions and after the clean reinstall, I noticed that I am now MISSING all of my output/export options for "HD DVD". They simply disappeared from VideoWave's dropdown menu! So, they had me do another clean reinstall. I did that and it didn't work. A waste of 2 hours! I'm still missing my HD DVD render options! It's very unfortunate because I thought I had finally found the option that looks great on a standard 4.7 DVD, and that is HD DVD HQ. I thought HD DVD HQ was the answer to my prayers, and now it's gone. Poof! Where did it go?

 

Anyway, so Roxio still hasn't been able to tell me how to get my "HD DVD" render options back. Any suggestions from the forum gurus?

 

 

I've also had another problem. When exporting in various rendering settings I would get the "gray box of death" in the preview screen. In other words, when you are rendering a video, you can see in the preview box the video rendering along very slowly. Well, in various output settings I noticed the video preview would disappear and a gray box would appear that has the words "MPEG" in the lower right hand corner of the preview box. When this gray box appears, I noticed that the rendering would speed up significantly. When the render was finished, I'd play the video back only to discover that in places of the video where the gray box had appeared, the video looked terrible. It would look washed out and fuzzy with a lighter appearance. In other words, I would get a bad looking picture that coincided with the parts of the video where the gray box came up during the rendering process. OK, so Roxio said to update my Direct X version and also update my Video Card drivers and also disable all but my antivirus in my startup by going into msconfig and disabling all the startup options (except antivirus and firewall). I just did this and haven't really tested it on various output settings, but I just finished rendering in "High Definition - HDV" setting and the video looks exceptional! It's a shame I can't figure out how to get my HD DVD HQ export option back. I sure as hell don't want to go through another removal and clean reinstall. I don't have several hours to waste. I'm working on videos for clients and can't afford to keep wasting so much time.

 

I also experimented with the AVCHD in My DVD and it took 24 hours to burn the DVD only to realize then that I couldn't play it back because I don't own a PS3 or a Blu-Ray player! Argh! I must be a glutton for punishment! So, the next best thing as far as I can tell is just to output all my videos in HD DVD HQ setting or in "HDV" setting and then burn them onto a standard 4.7 DVD. For lengthy videos, I have to output as "DVD Playback MPEG - Best Quality - 780x420". The video looks decent on DVD but not as good as the HDV's 1440x1080. Anyone else have any suggestions for what looks best on a standard 4.7 DVD?

 

Also, does "MY DVD" support the use of double layer DVD's? I'm not ready to go blu-ray yet, but I am willing to go out and buy a DVD burner that can burn double layer DVD's if it means I can get twice as much video on a DVD. Thanks in advance for everyone's help!

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When your so-called "grey box of death" appears, the program does not need to render since the video is already DVD compliant. I am usually happy when I see this since it means that my DVD will be ready that much sooner. :rolleyes: Of course I don't render to HD which I guess is a completely different ball game.

 

 

Thanks for everyone's reply. It means a lot to me to get some help. I've spent countless hours using previous versions of Roxio and I've had to self-teach myself by sheer trial and error. I never thought to look into the forums.

 

But let me make sure you understand that when I say I was getting "the grey box" it is only while rendering in Roxio 2009 Ultimate's VideoWave program - not in "My DVD".

 

I'm using the captured clips from my HDV camcorder that are already in 1440x1080 MPEG2 format. When trying to render in various HiDef output settings, I get the grey box... and whenever I get that grey box it means my video will look like crap once it's done rendering. The one setting that worked really well for me was the HD DVD HQ export setting... which is now gone from my dropdown menu. I was able to take my 1440x1080 video that was captured from my camcorder and export/output it as a HD DVD HQ MPEG file in VideoWave. Then I would take the HD DVD HQ rendered MPEG file and build a DVD using "My DVD" onto a standard 4.7 DVD and the quality looked fabulous. So it bothers me that all of a sudden I no longer have the capability to export/output anything to HD DVD HQ. But I will say that I was unaware about updating my DirectX version. I updated my DirectX version today and that might have solved the grey box problem. I'll have to do some testing on that. Like you were saying, getting the grey box shouldn't be a bad thing... when you get the grey box your render times are lightning fast... but in my case I was getting a lousy rendered video whenever the grey box appeared. Hopefully updating DirectX solved this.

 

So, really my main question after writing a 10,000 word novel is what happened to my HD DVD export/output settings and how do I get them back? I've already tried to do the whole clean reinstall (2 hour process) and it didn't work. Roxio doesn't seem to have any answers. If anyone can help me solve this I'd greatly appreciate it.

 

Basically, with the "HD DVD HQ" setting, I was able to get a 30 minute video into a 3.75GB MPEG. When I use the "HDV" setting, that same 30 minute video is now a 4.75GB MPEG. So it saves me a lot of space on each DVD without sacrificing much in the way of video quality.

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Basically, with the "HD DVD HQ" setting, I was able to get a 30 minute video into a 3.75GB MPEG.
I have no idea what you are calling HD DVD HQ. There is no such choice in Videowave 11. Below are ALL the choices if you have C2009 Ultimate installed with the Bluray plugin. Creator 2009 does not support HD DVD since Bluray won that battle.

 

If you are burning HDV to a data DVD, what are you playing it on? A regular DVD player won't. Perhaps you have been converting you HDV files to 'standard definition' MPEG 2 without realizing it?

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I have no idea what you are calling HD DVD HQ. There is no such choice in Videowave 11. Below are ALL the choices if you have C2009 Ultimate installed with the Bluray plugin. Creator 2009 does not support HD DVD since Bluray won that battle.

 

If you are burning HDV to a data DVD, what are you playing it on? A regular DVD player won't. Perhaps you have been converting you HDV files to 'standard definition' MPEG 2 without realizing it?

 

 

Awwww man, wow, this is unbelievable. When I first downloaded roxio 2009 ultimate about 1 month ago, i installed it and it in fact gave me options to render in different HD DVD settings in the dropdown in videowave. I am going by memory, but there was an HD DVD HQ choice, an HD DVD LP choice, an HD DVD EP choice, and I think one or two others. Heck, even Roxio tech support told me to reinstall the darn thing to see if it would bring back these HD DVD options - which it didn't.

 

It had nothing to do with HD DVD which I know lost the battle to blu-ray. it was simply an option to put HiDef video onto a standard DVD for regular DVD playback - which I did with great success I might add. It played beautifully in a regular DVD player. I rendered quite a few of these videos in all the various HD DVD choices (HQ, EP, LP, etc.) and even named some of the files accordingly so that I could watch and compare them to see which one worked best on a regular 4.7 DVD. It turned out the HD DVD HQ was the best quality for hi-def video onto a standard DVD. I actually authored DVDs in "MY DVD" which were MPEG files that were rendered in HD DVD HQ in VideoWave 11 - and I even gave them to a client and they loved them. I know I'm not going crazy. It was there in the dropdown menu - honest.

 

Can anyone else please verify this? Check your render output options in videowave 11 and see if you have any of these HD DVD choices. I can't be the only person.

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I have no idea what you are calling HD DVD HQ. There is no such choice in Videowave 11. Below are ALL the choices if you have C2009 Ultimate installed with the Bluray plugin. Creator 2009 does not support HD DVD since Bluray won that battle.

 

If you are burning HDV to a data DVD, what are you playing it on? A regular DVD player won't. Perhaps you have been converting you HDV files to 'standard definition' MPEG 2 without realizing it?

 

In EMC 2009 ultimate 16:9, I do have the HD DVD HQ option and several others that gary doies not show. I can show pics of all if required.

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It had nothing to do with HD DVD which I know lost the battle to blu-ray. it was simply an option to put HiDef video onto a standard DVD for regular DVD playback - which I did with great success I might add. It played beautifully in a regular DVD player.
Then it was NOT high definition video. Hidef can not be played on a regular DVD player. When you go to MyDVD, there is indeed HQ, SP and LP settings, but none of those are HiDef.

 

THE ONLY HIGH DEFINITION options that can be burned to a regular, red laser blank DVD is AVCHD Project (HD on standard DVDs) and AVCHD no menu Project (HD on standard DVDs). These discs use the same format as Bluray and can only be played back on a computer or a Bluray player.

 

It would seem that you have been converting to standard definition without realizing it.

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Then it was NOT high definition video. Hidef can not be played on a regular DVD player. When you go to MyDVD, there is indeed HQ, SP and LP settings, but none of those are HiDef.

 

THE ONLY HIGH DEFINITION options that can be burned to a regular, red laser blank DVD is AVCHD Project (HD on standard DVDs) and AVCHD no menu Project (HD on standard DVDs). These discs use the same format as Bluray and can only be played back on a computer or a Bluray player.

 

It would seem that you have been converting to standard definition without realizing it.

 

 

 

I'm confused. Why does the picture quality look sooooooo much better on a regular 4.7 DVD+R when the files used are rendered in "HDV" at 1440x1080 vs. files that are rendered with "DVD Playback - MPEG-2 for DVD, best quality" at 720x480?

 

If it all comes out on a standard 4.7 DVD+R as 720x480, then why do the 1440x1080 MPEG's look sooo much better than the 720x480 MPEG's? I'm also assuming that MPEG's rendered at 1920x1080 are going to look better on a standard 4.7 DVD+R vs MPEG's rendered at 1440x1080. Yes? The downside to using 1920x1080 on a regular DVD is that the file size is so big that you can only fit like 10-20 minutes of video on each disc. Is that correct?

 

One of the biggest challenges I'm facing is trying to get as much video onto a 4.7 DVD+R as possible without sacrificing picture quality. How do you do that?

 

 

I don't see any 'HD DVD' choices in VideoWave either. Maybe you're thinking of the AVCHD projects in MyDVD?

 

 

This is a mystery to me. I know I wasn't in "MyDVD". I rendered these "HD DVD" MPEGs in VideoWave 11. They had funky resolutions too, something like 1280x960 or something like that. How can I check the resolution of one of these videos I rendered in "HD DVD HQ"? IS there a way to do that? Then I can at least tell you what resolution it is in and maybe we can figure out which setting I was using in reality since I must have been hallucinating. LOL (when I say 'resolution' is that the correct terminolgy?)

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..................How can I check the resolution of one of these videos I rendered in "HD DVD HQ"? IS there a way to do that? Then I can at least tell you what resolution it is in and maybe we can figure out which setting I was using in reality since I must have been hallucinating. LOL (when I say 'resolution' is that the correct terminolgy?)
You could download the free GSpot app that you can load video files into to get information on the file.

http://www.headbands.com/gspot/

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If it all comes out on a standard 4.7 DVD+R as 720x480, then why do the 1440x1080 MPEG's look sooo much better than the 720x480 MPEG's?
Obviously a higher resolution will look better, but if you rendered these files using Videowave 11 which does support HDV 1440X1080, HOW are you playing these files back.

 

Videowave can not burn to disc. If you are buring the files as a data DVD, that can be played back on a computer. Even if you were able to burn this format to a video DVD, there are no regular DVD players that will play High Definition. If you have one, please let us know what brand and model. I certainly would like to have one!

 

Videowave 11 does indeed render to 1280X720p. Go back to the first image I posted and look down the list.

"MPEG 2 high definition 720p"

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You could download the free GSpot app that you can load video files into to get information on the file.

http://www.headbands.com/gspot/

 

 

GSpot says the 'HD DVD HQ' MPEGs are 1920x1080.

 

Now, if I can only figure out why I thought they were 'HD DVD HQ'.

 

Obviously a higher resolution will look better, but if you rendered these files using Videowave 11 which does support HDV 1440X1080, HOW are you playing these files back.

 

Videowave can not burn to disc. If you are buring the files as a data DVD, that can be played back on a computer. Even if you were able to burn this format to a video DVD, there are no regular DVD players that will play High Definition. If you have one, please let us know what brand and model. I certainly would like to have one!

 

 

I used "Roxio 2009 MyDVD" to auther the DVDs for playback on any set top or computer DVD player.

 

So what you are saying is that even if I burn a standard 4.7 DVD+R using 1920x1080 MPEGs, they aren't really in HiDef because "MyDVD" ends up giving you a DVD that is 720x480 UNLESS you choose the AVCHD option in MyDVD in which case you would need a blu-ray player for playback.

 

I understand all that. But I guess my point is this: if you've got an HD Camcorder and you record in HD but you DON'T want to go blu-ray, then if you want the best possible picture quality on a regular 4.7 DVD+R then you are better off authoring your standard or double layer DVDs using MPEGs at 1920x1080, 1280x720, or 1440x1080 because any of these are going to look better on a regular DVD than just your avg MPEG that was rendered at 720x480.

 

Again, one of the challenges I am faced with is: What's going to give me the best quality 4.7 DVD+R that contains the longest length of video possible without sacrificing too much in the way of picture quality?

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Thought it may have been worth a shot, since there are so many options to choose from, sometimes it can be disorienting :(

 

 

What might have been worth a shot? I know there are a lot of options to export. I'm not a complete novice. I've used Roxio for several years ( a couple of the earlier versions) so I know how to export a video and I know that I used to have an option to export/output and render video under an HD DVD HQ. The $50 million dollar question is what happened to it and why do other posters seem not to have that option available to them either?

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What might have been worth a shot? I know there are a lot of options to export. I'm not a complete novice. I've used Roxio for several years ( a couple of the earlier versions) so I know how to export a video and I know that I used to have an option to export/output and render video under an HD DVD HQ. The $50 million dollar question is what happened to it and why do other posters seem not to have that option available to them either?

 

You seemed like a beginner, so I thought maybe you couldn't find the right button. Hey it happens. I thought checking that out with you in private might have been appreciated. I was wrong and I apologize :) Good luck with your program.

 

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You seemed like a beginner, so I thought maybe you couldn't find the right button. Hey it happens. I thought checking that out with you in private might have been appreciated. I was wrong and I apologize :) Good luck with your program.

 

 

No worries. Thank you Karri for your help! I really do appreciate everyone's input. I'm just extremely frustrated right now.

 

I'd like to understand why some people seem to be able to export "HD DVD HQ" and some people don't have the option to do that. I knew I wasn't hallucinating, although right about now, I'd like to be under the influence of some hard-core drugs. LOL

 

If you have an option available in VideoWave 11 to export/output/render a video under > Output > Export As > Purpose > HD DVD Authoring > Video File Quality > (Pick one from the list)

 

PLEASE LET US KNOW! Thank you.

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I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm totally confused. MyDVD will only burn 1920X1080 when you choose AVCHD to standard DVD. That's it and those are in Bluray format. If you burned it some other way, please share.

I used "Roxio 2009 MyDVD" to auther the DVDs for playback on any set top or computer DVD player.
When you choose that option, MyDVD will down convert your hidef video to standard definition so it will play on ANY player or TV. So I don't understand why GSpot says the video on that disc is 1920x1080.

 

I totally agree with what you are saying on resolutions. I'm just saying that MyDVD can't do what you say it did - at least my copy can't.

 

So let's back up. Tell us EXACTLY what you did. Step by step. Which applications used from capture all the way through burning. Don't leave anything out. :)

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I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm totally confused. MyDVD will only burn 1920X1080 when you choose AVCHD to standard DVD. That's it and those are in Bluray format. If you burned it some other way, please share.

 

Sorry for the confusion. I think you misunderstood what I am trying to get at. I have a tendency to ramble.

 

No, I did not burn it some other way. I burned a regular 4.7 DVD+R using MYDVD. In other words, on a regular 4.7 DVD+R you can include various files that you rendered in HiDef... from 1920x1080 to 1280x720 to 1440x1080 but your DVD is only going to be 720x480. I'm not disputing that.

 

To get true High Definition, yes I realize that you have to create a "AVCHD DVD" or a Blu-Ray disc.

 

However, if you don't have a Blu-Ray burner/player or something that will play a AVCHD DVD, then the next best thing IMO (for picture quality) is to take the videos you rendered in High Definition (using VideoWave 11) and burn them onto a standard or double layer DVD using MYDVD for standard 720x480 playback.

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So I don't understand why GSpot says the video on that disc is 1920x1080.

 

No, I pointed Gspot to the file on my hard drive, not to a file on a DVD. Sorry for the confusion.

 

 

No copy can! Untill the OP does some homework and understands basic DVD faqs, your waisting time and bandwidth.

 

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Well, aren't you helpful. I'm not trying to be rude, but I don't appreciate the insult. Furthermore, if you are that concerned about wasting bandwidth, you've got over 200 words in your signature alone. LOL! Let's see... 11,000 posts x 200 words in each signature = 2,200,000 words.

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Did you find your missing setting? I show the setting for HD DVD HQ listed in VideoWave under > Output > Export As > Purpose > HD DVD Authoring > Video File Quality > (Pick one from the list). Not there?
I have no idea what is going on unless there is another version out there that I don't know about. Here is what I have listed for PURPOSE. As you can see, I have no HD DVD Authoring. I DO have Bluray Authoring.

 

VERY ODD

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However, if you don't have a Blu-Ray burner/player or something that will play a AVCHD DVD, then the next best thing IMO (for picture quality) is to take the videos you rendered in High Definition (using VideoWave 11) and burn them onto a standard or double layer DVD using MYDVD for standard 720x480 playback.
AH, we're finally on the same track. LOL You are correct and that is actually the only way if you want to watch on a regular TV with a regular DVD player. I think we've cleared up the communication prpoblem. LOL

 

As for Videowave output, you can choose any of the hidef templates for output. MyDVD will accept any of those and convert to standard 720X480 for playback. I have a Canon HV20 which is also HDV 1440X1080. I edit the footage in Videowave and then just let Videowave convert to standard MPEG 2 (MPEG 2 for DVD HQ template). That way MyDVD does it thing much quicker because there is no rendering.

 

There are a 'few' DVD players that support Hidef DivX or WMV HD. Those formats can be burned as 'data' to a regular DVD. I haven't really shopped around much for a new player because my HDTV is connected to my Media Center PC adn I use my DVD burner to play back video on the TV.

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I have no idea what is going on unless there is another version out there that I don't know about. Here is what I have listed for PURPOSE. As you can see, I have no HD DVD Authoring. I DO have Bluray Authoring.

 

VERY ODD

 

I have no clue if the Blue-Ray Plugin has to be installed or not, for that/those options to be seen. Is that a possibility?

 

I can see them in my Output. I have the plugin installed.

 

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