Toast 9 Movie Editing

[circlelee]

Toast 9 Titanium quesion on ‘Editing’

 

Recently received the Toast 9 disc and it is a major step up from my previous Toast 7.

 

I am using Toast 9 on a G5 Power PC, with OSX 10.4.11.

 

Have been reading the ‘Help’ section and found some information in a couple of replies that were posted Dec. 21st. One was by ‘tsantee’ and the other by someone in Eugene, Oregon.

 

Following their notes, I can get a Video-TS program ,that had been recorded on a camcorder and saved to a DVD, to open in the Toast 9 movie format and play, stop, pause, start, rewind, screen snapshot, etc.

 

However, I have not been able to do the EDIT step.

 

After Toast 9 finishes extracting the video, a smaller screen opens and there is an ‘Options’ button only. When this is clicked, another screen opens and a ‘small’ picture (a portion of the video) with a tiny triangle in the lower left corner appears.

 

Clicking on the triangle starts the movie playing, but only the steps noted above will function and can not do the EDIT step.

 

I have not been able to find the place mentioned in both the above write-ups, to enter a ‘title’ and then click EDIT. The EDIT on the tool bar is blank so nothing can be done there.

 

Hopefully, it is just a minor (I should have known that!!!) step I am missing to be able to edit the converted video, as there is lots of unrelated footage there.

 

Thanks, Video Jon

 

 

[philvh]

We've reached a point where I just guessing. It was my hope the editor would only let you mark at the key frames so there would be no confusion. I haven't actually checked this one way or the other but since you mentioned things being off a little this is a possible explanation. I don't see any specific key frame control in the Toast editor. Some time this week I'll try to remember to take a look at the controls, such as "fine" editing", to see if I can make sense of what's actually happening.

 

There's a $70 application called Capty MPEG Edit EX that does frame-accurate MPEG editing but everything else I'm aware of does key frame editing.

 

MPEG Streamclip has a Go to Key frame command so after marking an edit point I can press Command+K and the edit mark moves to the nearest key frame.

 

Would you know if Capty MPEG Edit can be used as the editor with Toast instead of Toast Video Player? Else I'll ask Roxio on a support ticket. Thanks, as usual. I took a look at Streamclip (right price!) but knew not what to do with it . . . .

[philvh]

Toast's editor does not actually remove the edited portion of the video. It marks the segments you want Toast to exclude when making a DVD or converting to another format. The editing doesn't happen until the DVD authoring or conversion takes place. Your original video file is unedited.

 

You don't need to delete anything in the Toast Video Player where you're doing the edit. Just choose Save so Toast knows where you placed the edit markers.

 

Having successfully edited some TiVo content, I note that the edited length is shown in the Toast 9 window with each segment I plan to burn; but how do I get the "space remaining" bar at the bottom to recognize the new (shorter) total length? I filed a help ticket with Roxio; they instructed me to trash a bunch of plists and other preferences, but doing so changed nothing. In a (more) perfect world, we could edit in any Toast Video Player window, then "save as," then drag the smaller files to the Toast 9 window, yes?

[tsantee]

Would you know if Capty MPEG Edit can be used as the editor with Toast instead of Toast Video Player? Else I'll ask Roxio on a support ticket. Thanks, as usual. I took a look at Streamclip (right price!) but knew not what to do with it . . . .

I have made edits with Capty MPEG Edit and used the resulting video in Toast. It is necessary, however, to choose the option to save as elementary streams (separate video and audio streams). When using separate streams with Toast drag only the video stream into the Toast window and Toast adds the matching audio.

 

Capty MPEG Edit also requires the file to have an .mpg extension, so it may be necessary to change a .mpeg or .vob extension to .mpg for the file to open.

[philvh]

The space remaining indicator doesn't change. If you choose Save as Disc Image then you can ignore the space indicator. That way you can still burn the disc image to single-layer DVD (using the Image File setting in the Copy window) because even if it is too big the Fit-to-DVD process will make it fit.

 

Tsantee, on any given Toast topic, I've learned to look first for the picture of (presumably) your car. You must be saving Roxio a ton in support-staff expenses.

 

I didn't see "Image File" at first, so I made my DVD using "Disc Copy"; satisfactory results -- and miles ahead of where I was stuck -- but some of my trim markers appeared to have moved a bit. Will try Image File next time. Thanks much!

[tsantee]

Having successfully edited some TiVo content, I note that the edited length is shown in the Toast 9 window with each segment I plan to burn; but how do I get the "space remaining" bar at the bottom to recognize the new (shorter) total length? I filed a help ticket with Roxio; they instructed me to trash a bunch of plists and other preferences, but doing so changed nothing. In a (more) perfect world, we could edit in any Toast Video Player window, then "save as," then drag the smaller files to the Toast 9 window, yes?

The space remaining indicator doesn't change. If you choose Save as Disc Image then you can ignore the space indicator. That way you can still burn the disc image to single-layer DVD (using the Image File setting in the Copy window) because even if it is too big the Fit-to-DVD process will make it fit.

[bekismom]

tsantee...

You answered my questions, too. Thanks! Isn't it lovely in Eugene today?!! Finally!

[circlelee]

tsantee

Took awhile, but Video project is finished. Found an article in TOAST “How to edit or trim a video file in Toast9’. The saved portion is the ‘Yellow’ color. Thanks for your help and paience.

[circlelee]

tsantee

 

I have always heard that a day without learning, is a day not utilized. I feel that I got full measure today.

 

Thanks for the clarification on the mixup of VIDEO-TS, DVD-VIDEO, ec. This alphabetical language is out of my vocabulary.

 

Have progressed a great deal today and am now able to get into and work the EDIT portion.

 

I do have a question (surprise) - When I move the upper white arrow (to the right) along the blue bar and the video is playing from the beginning. Then I stop its movement and click on the EDIT button (below - center). A RED line appears on the blue bar and as I move the arrow further to the right, the bar turns ‘yellow’ and another red line when the EDIT is again clicked. Further movement of the arrow leaves the bar blue and the video continues to play.

 

Is the section of the bar that turned yellow deleted from the video? I clicked ‘delete’ and it disappeared with a ‘poof’ of smoke. If I don’t click Delete it stays yellow.

 

Looked in the TOAST 9 user guide (pages 99 - 100) and they say to drag the start marker full right, to mark the beginning of the video, then drag the maker full left, to mark the end of the video.

 

Mine starts at the left end and ends at the right???

 

The user guide also mentions the lighter blue is included and the darker blue is removed from the final saved video. Is this just a change beween releases of software?

 

Is my yellow deleted and the blue remains?

 

One final quesion, do the FILE, SAVE steps save the modified video?

 

Again, many thanks for your knowledge sharing.

 

John

[tsantee]

Tsantee, on any given Toast topic, I've learned to look first for the picture of (presumably) your car. You must be saving Roxio a ton in support-staff expenses.

 

I didn't see "Image File" at first, so I made my DVD using "Disc Copy"; satisfactory results -- and miles ahead of where I was stuck -- but some of my trim markers appeared to have moved a bit. Will try Image File next time. Thanks much!

Yeah, they owe me big time! The Roxio folks are good people but there aren't enough of them in my opinion. I think an all-expense paid trip to Banff would be nice as compensation but I'll settle for the many thank you's I receive. And I can always drive the Healey if I need to cheering up.

 

If the edits are off by just a few frames then that is the reality of how MPEG compression works. There's only one frame every 15 or so frames that has the complete image and the "key frame" is where the edit must actually be made.

[philvh]

Yeah, they owe me big time! The Roxio folks are good people but there aren't enough of them in my opinion. I think an all-expense paid trip to Banff would be nice as compensation but I'll settle for the many thank you's I receive. And I can always drive the Healey if I need to cheering up.

 

If the edits are off by just a few frames then that is the reality of how MPEG compression works. There's only one frame every 15 or so frames that has the complete image and the "key frame" is where the edit must actually be made.

 

So, even if I'm using "fine" editing, I'm still not seeing EVERY frame across the bottom? Is there a way to identify, in those small depictions, which are the key frames?

[tsantee]

So, even if I'm using "fine" editing, I'm still not seeing EVERY frame across the bottom? Is there a way to identify, in those small depictions, which are the key frames?

We've reached a point where I just guessing. It was my hope the editor would only let you mark at the key frames so there would be no confusion. I haven't actually checked this one way or the other but since you mentioned things being off a little this is a possible explanation. I don't see any specific key frame control in the Toast editor. Some time this week I'll try to remember to take a look at the controls, such as "fine" editing", to see if I can make sense of what's actually happening.

 

There's a $70 application called Capty MPEG Edit EX that does frame-accurate MPEG editing but everything else I'm aware of does key frame editing.

 

MPEG Streamclip has a Go to Key frame command so after marking an edit point I can press Command+K and the edit mark moves to the nearest key frame.

 

[tsantee]

The editor changed since the Toast guide was written so it isn't any help. When you click the edit button what appears below the blue line is a double triangle. Assuming you are editing from left to right you can drag the right half of the marker to the right which creates the yellow bar. The part in yellow is what will be excluded from Toast. However, you can choose Invert markers using the option in the Gear button to have the yellow part remain and the blue part excluded.

 

You aren't actually doing anything to the video file. It just creates markers that tell Toast to exclude the segments you select. Choosing Save only saves the marker location.

[circlelee]

Make certain you have updated to Toast 9.0.4. The MPEG editor didn't work in earlier versions. The editor opens as a separate application.

 

Thanks for the prompt reply:

 

Yes, the Toast 9 is 9.0.4 (253)

 

Guess I need the full basic steps. Step 1, Step 2, 3 etc., etc. I may have to go much further back in my selection of the correct settings.

Following those previously noted worked up to the EDIT part, but couldn' finish from there.

 

When Toast 9 OPENS by clicking the BLACK Toaster icon, the left side of the screen image has a projecting section (Convert), with 5 smaller images across the top. When each is opened, they display the following;

 

Far left image - DATA- Mac Only, Mac & PC, DVD ROM(ODF) etc.

2nd image to right - AUDIO - Audio - Audio CD, Music DVD, etc.

3rd image to right - VIDEO -DVD-Video, HD DVD Video, Video-TS COPY, etc.

4th image to right - COPY -Disc Copy - Image File, Video-TS folder, etc.

5th image to right - CONVERT - DVD Disc, Image file, Video-TS folder, etc.

 

I had selected the 3rd from the left side, basically due to the iMovie image it displayed. I then selected the DVD-Video option.

 

I then drug the VIDEO-TS folder onto the main Toast screen and 2 small pictures of scenes in the DVD Video-TS are shown.

 

Now there is a small EDIT button to the right of each picture and the large RED button at the bottom.

 

Clicking the small EDIT button opens another small screen Titled VTS_01_1.VOB. When this screen closes it is back to the screen with the 2 small pictures with the Edit buttons. Using the RED button it asks for a blank DVD disc to be inserted.

 

I am just going around in circles and getting no wheres. Had hopes of simply getting my 64th reunion in iMovie so could pull off a few photos, but not doing so good right now.

 

I don’t have any teen agers around that can help and was not born with a key board in my hands, so have few skills except those I can glean from the groups help.

 

Thanks, John

 

 

[circlelee]

tsantee

 

Yes, I am still in TOAST 9. Guess I intermingle iMovie and Toast Movie.

 

Have watched another club member do a similar EDIT deletion at a meeting and it worked OK. He selectedthe portion to be removed with some key strokes, clicked Delete and it was removed, then FILE, SAVE and the new version was on screen, less the deleted portion.

 

His conversion required quite an extensive translation of playing the DVD Video thru a separate DVD Player unit, then processed thru a ‘Canopus’ box and then into the iMovie as I recall.

 

Toast appears to be a much simpler method, (which I truly need) since I don’t have the separate DVD Player, the Canopus box, etc. and see nothing in the future to want to go that route.

 

Toast 9 works very well, until I try the EDIT step. Then I can not remove the Edited portion.

 

With all your suggestions, I have gotten this far. If I can get this final step conquered, will consider all your help well deserving of applause.

 

The MPEGstreamclip is way out of what i need.

[tsantee]

Toast's editor does not actually remove the edited portion of the video. It marks the segments you want Toast to exclude when making a DVD or converting to another format. The editing doesn't happen until the DVD authoring or conversion takes place. Your original video file is unedited.

 

You don't need to delete anything in the Toast Video Player where you're doing the edit. Just choose Save so Toast knows where you placed the edit markers.

[opalla]

circlelee, maybe you wanna check up MPEGstreamclip (squared5.com) to ease up your life ...

[tsantee]

Your misstep was dragging a VIDEO_TS folder into Toast with DVD-Video selected as the format. If you want to edit the MPEG video contained in the VIDEO_TS folder then you must start by extracting the MPEG video via the Toast Media Browser. Select DVD with the top button of the Media Browser (that's a separate window from the main Toast window). Place the VIDEO_TS folder on the desktop or inside the Movies folder. When something appears in the Browser window, double click on it to see the individual titles. Drag the title(s) you want to the Video window with DVD-video as the format. Toast extracts the MPEG 2 video file(s). Now you'll see the edit button after clicking the Edit window.

[circlelee]

tsantee,

 

After all the help, I thought I was thru and doing great.

Am not able to EDIT and DELETE portions after I get the Video into iMovie.

When in the EDIT mode, can move the upper (White) cursor and play the full video.

Can move the upper cursor arrow, click the EDIT button, then move the

lower right half of the lower cursor and stop it, then again click the EDIT button.

This changes the color of the section between the EDIT marks, but have tried several things to delete the section and none seem to work. Clicked the DELETE key, FILE - SAVE, etc., get a puff of smoke and when moving the top cursor again the entire Video plays.

 

Don't do much of this, but have looked at opalla's MPEGstreamclip comment and if need to do more may give it a try.

 

Apppreciate any ideas.

[tsantee]

Make certain you have updated to Toast 9.0.4. The MPEG editor didn't work in earlier versions. The editor opens as a separate application.

[tsantee]

tsantee,

 

After all the help, I thought I was thru and doing great.

Am not able to EDIT and DELETE portions after I get the Video into iMovie.

When in the EDIT mode, can move the upper (White) cursor and play the full video.

Can move the upper cursor arrow, click the EDIT button, then move the

lower right half of the lower cursor and stop it, then again click the EDIT button.

This changes the color of the section between the EDIT marks, but have tried several things to delete the section and none seem to work. Clicked the DELETE key, FILE - SAVE, etc., get a puff of smoke and when moving the top cursor again the entire Video plays.

 

Don't do much of this, but have looked at opalla's MPEGstreamclip comment and if need to do more may give it a try.

 

Apppreciate any ideas.

Are you asking about editing in iMovie or in Toast? If this is about iMovie then I suggest going to the iMovie forum at discussions.apple.com.

 

MPEG Streamclip is a very useful application that I use at times. It is freeware although it requires Apple's $20 QuickTime MPEG2 Playback Component. I recommend it but don't know how it would help you if you are working in iMovie.