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I have been a member of these forums for a long time now, including for a long time the old forum. I have gained a considerable amount of knowledge using EMC 7 and 7.5 greatly do to the help from many of the "Gurus" that frequent this forum, including a couple that have become "friends". However---

What I would like to say is I am seeing a lot of posts on the "General Chat" sessions that have been "Locked" by some of the individuals that have the power to do so. First, in many cases I agree that some of the General Chat posts are just a way for someone to bitch or gripe about their program when most of the time their problem is not the program at all but simply the operators inability to run a computer.

 

This is a "GENERAL CHAT" forum and as such, I think anyone has the right to do so. If it's that objectional to some of the powers to be, then why do you have to reply to these obnoxious posts. Just let them die on the session with a "ZERO" reply. And just because an individual doesn't like the great program that Roxio EMC is, it shouldn't be a disaster for them to say so.

 

Having said all that I suggest that on the "General Chat" forum if you don't like what's being said then don't reply !!! And just because there are "some" that don't like EMC xx, don't lock their post because you are an individual that has some special right to do so. Let Roxio's administrators do that job if it's really necessary.

 

Now if I get "Zero" answers to this "General Chat" post, I will certainly understand. BUT, don't "LOCK" it just because it doesn't suit your likings, unless it has some four letter type language or text that has no part on any web site. I will stay a member that has a great respect for EMC xx even if I have some serious problems with it myself. I haven't found a problem with EMC yet that couldn't be solved if posted in the correct manner, in the appropriate forum session, and given the time for others to help solve it.

 

 

 

Now I will get off my pulpet and forget what I just said--- :huh::)

 

Frank.....

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Interesting topic, Frank.

It needed to be said. Censorship of ideas and opinions (minus foul language) is rarely a good thing.

I'm new to this forum and though problem free now, continue to learn from the experience of others.

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Interesting topic, Frank.

It needed to be said. Censorship of ideas and opinions (minus foul language) is rarely a good thing.

I'm new to this forum and though problem free now, continue to learn from the experience of others.

These Forums are for solving problems, not for trying to convince people that the software is a rip-off. Generally, the people who are determined the software is a conspiricy for the unwary are suffering from "pibkac", and we have no way to advise them to fix it. (You can google the term if you don't recognize it.)

 

If someone is willing to accept help, most of the time the problem can be resolved - altho there are cases when the computer isn't up to the minimum requirements of the software. That does not make the software a conspiricy, however. It does mean someone should've done their homework before buying it.

 

To someone who does not know how these boards work, if the first thing they see is a vicious blast about the software is simply unworkable, it doesn't help them.

 

Why don't you check what kind of posts they get on the Nero-sponsored Forums ...?

 

Lynn

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I have been a member of these forums for a long time now, including for a long time the old forum. I have gained a considerable amount of knowledge using EMC 7 and 7.5 greatly do to the help from many of the "Gurus" that frequent this forum, including a couple that have become "friends". However---

What I would like to say is I am seeing a lot of posts on the "General Chat" sessions that have been "Locked" by some of the individuals that have the power to do so. First, in many cases I agree that some of the General Chat posts are just a way for someone to bitch or gripe about their program when most of the time their problem is not the program at all but simply the operators inability to run a computer.

 

This is a "GENERAL CHAT" forum and as such, I think anyone has the right to do so. If it's that objectional to some of the powers to be, then why do you have to reply to these obnoxious posts. Just let them die on the session with a "ZERO" reply. And just because an individual doesn't like the great program that Roxio EMC is, it shouldn't be a disaster for them to say so.

 

Having said all that I suggest that on the "General Chat" forum if you don't like what's being said then don't reply !!! And just because there are "some" that don't like EMC xx, don't lock their post because you are an individual that has some special right to do so. Let Roxio's administrators do that job if it's really necessary.

 

Now if I get "Zero" answers to this "General Chat" post, I will certainly understand. BUT, don't "LOCK" it just because it doesn't suit your likings, unless it has some four letter type language or text that has no part on any web site. I will stay a member that has a great respect for EMC xx even if I have some serious problems with it myself. I haven't found a problem with EMC yet that couldn't be solved if posted in the correct manner, in the appropriate forum session, and given the time for others to help solve it.

 

 

 

Now I will get off my pulpet and forget what I just said--- :huh::)

 

Frank.....

 

I have not seen any locked in the General Discussion for awhile, now. I see one locked this morning in another discussion area, but it looks like it was locked because the poster posted the same thing in another thread. I certainly don't have a problem with that.

 

If someone complains about the Roxio software is not a problem, either. Unless they have just come in to bitch about it and don't explain the problems that they have had, or ask for help.

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Frank, I can only find 1 that's locked and I went back 6 pages. The one I see is about DVD Copy and I don't know why it was locked but it did mention something about Roxio developers who I doubt seriously even look at the forum.

I wish I could just leave well enough alone but sometimes, I just have to respond when someone posts something I disagree with.....it's my Irish/Italian nature.

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Yeah well...but this is supposed to be the "General chat" section. When someone wants help, they can go to specific sections and if they are willing to do their part, I've noticed that help is what they'll find. I guess I'm wrong but I thought that this section is for just general griping and slogging around ideas. That said, I've done my share of Roxio bashing when I had problems but in spite of it I continue to use it cause it does a few things other programs I have don't. When I needed help a few months ago, I had the good sense to look past the bashing and got great advice.

 

I've never looked at the Nero forums cause I've never had a problem with it to cause me to look them up.

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Yeah well...but this is supposed to be the "General chat" section. When someone wants help, they can go to specific sections and if they are willing to do their part, I've noticed that help is what they'll find. I guess I'm wrong but I thought that this section is for just general griping and slogging around ideas. That said, I've done my share of Roxio bashing when I had problems but in spite of it I continue to use it cause it does a few things other programs I have don't. When I needed help a few months ago, I had the good sense to look past the bashing and got great advice.

 

I've never looked at the Nero forums cause I've never had a problem with it to cause me to look them up.

 

It is a good thing that you didn't have to look for the Nero sponsored fourms, because they don't exist. :)

 

Actually, the description of the Genreal Forum is for general non-Roxio chat. It also states that non-approriate posts will be removed, but I myself have bashed certain aspects of Roxio software, but I did it in a nice way. lol

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I think it would serve everyone if Roxio posted some forum rules!

Years ago on the old boards the word Nero and others were filtered out,

remember those days?

 

Next someone locked a thread after drifting into breaking Itunes encryption. Again no problem if rules stated that.

 

The copy topic someone locked is talked about in Toast and Popcorn forum all the time Mac The Ripper. Again no problem if rules stated that.

 

The forums are worldwide with different Laws. 321 Studios sold DVD encryption breaking software in the USA until they were shut down, and that was discussed on the old boards often. As far as I know they never went knocking on doors with records who bought it, and that legally bought software is still out there and probably being used!

 

So IMO Roxio should post some rules. The people with the power to lock posts should have consistent rules they go by to lock them, and not

give or use there personal opinion to lock them.

 

Last Moderators monitor forum boards. Forum Mod's should be announced as such. Not come here claiming " were just user's" and lock topics they don't like or think shouldn't be discussed here.

 

 

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It is a good thing that you didn't have to look for the Nero sponsored fourms, because they don't exist. :)

 

Actually, the description of the Genreal Forum is for general non-Roxio chat. It also states that non-approriate posts will be removed, but I myself have bashed certain aspects of Roxio software, but I did it in a nice way. lol

 

Actually Roxio is the first program to lead me to any forums in search of help. It's good though as I've said before in that it's introduced me to new ideas and concepts from more experienced people like yourself. I guess I just like to yak and throw in my two cents (even when I may be wrong).

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Last Moderators monitor forum boards. Forum Mod's should be announced as such. Not come here claiming " were just user's" and lock topics they don't like or think shouldn't be discussed here.

 

 

cdanteek

 

The only moderators that I know of are Patrick and Alex. No one else, as far as I know, are moderators.

 

 

Actually Roxio is the first program to lead me to any forums in search of help. It's good though as I've said before in that it's introduced me to new ideas and concepts from more experienced people like yourself. I guess I just like to yak and throw in my two cents (even when I may be wrong).

 

It doesn't matter if you are wrong or not. We have all been wrong, more times than we care to admit. :)

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I think cdanteek has a good point Bruce. I have seen several times on various posts where a person comes on saying "we're just users" and "they" have the given power to lock a post. However, I agree that I have not seen them given the name "Moderators". But I also suggest that whatever they are called, they should not use their given authority to lock a post just because they don't care for the posted message. UNLESS--they have been told to do that by the real powers to be (i.e. "Administrators" for Roxio's forum). Then everyone should know of that fact.

 

I absolutely agree with cdanteek also that the few (not including administrators or moderators whatever you wish to call them) that have the authority to decide what should be said, not said, or ability to lock a post, do so based on some RULES and not based on their personal preference.

 

I might be totally wrong here but as far as I know I have never seen any such rules, with the exception of when Patatrox has come on saying something that would indicate a RULE.

 

My heart and sole is still with coming on the forum and learning, and as best I can helping others that possibly do not have the little knowledge I have on certain topics. But just lately I have seen several replies and comments that kind of just got to me----Thus I started this post.

 

Cheers & keep the problem posts coming---I learn something every day I visit this forum.

 

Frank.....

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I think cdanteek has a good point Bruce. I have seen several times on various posts where a person comes on saying "we're just users" and "they" have the given power to lock a post. However, I agree that I have not seen them given the name "Moderators". But I also suggest that whatever they are called, they should not use their given authority to lock a post just because they don't care for the posted message. UNLESS--they have been told to do that by the real powers to be (i.e. "Administrators" for Roxio's forum). Then everyone should know of that fact.

 

I absolutely agree with cdanteek also that the few (not including administrators or moderators whatever you wish to call them) that have the authority to decide what should be said, not said, or ability to lock a post, do so based on some RULES and not based on their personal preference.

 

I might be totally wrong here but as far as I know I have never seen any such rules, with the exception of when Patatrox has come on saying something that would indicate a RULE.

 

My heart and sole is still with coming on the forum and learning, and as best I can helping others that possibly do not have the little knowledge I have on certain topics. But just lately I have seen several replies and comments that kind of just got to me----Thus I started this post.

 

Cheers & keep the problem posts coming---I learn something every day I visit this forum.

 

Frank.....

 

Frank, first of all, I have been to numerous forums and have seen moderateros excercise their ability to close threads. True, most of those have had forum rules, but it is rare that I have seen posts closed for subjective, instead of objective reasoning, even though the moderators were given that ability, due to their subjective reasoning.

 

If a thread is locked, a pm is sent to the poster as to why the thread was locked. The thread won't usually be locked if there are numerous posters in the thread, unless a poster comes in to a 2 month old thread, with a new post that has nothing to do with the thread.

 

As far as Cdanteek trolling on the closing of threads talking about the illegal copying of DVD movies, I would close everyone of those threads, in a heart-beat. I like the fact that Roxio has forums, and if posts in here were allowed that discuss how to beat encryption on commercial DVD's, you can bet your sweet &%$ that Roxio would be forced to shut down the forums. I sure don't want that. Whether or not I agree with copying of your own DVD's being deemed illegal, does not matter. I think it sucks, but it is law.

 

That is why 3-2-1 Studios, who was based in Missouri, was forced out of business 2 years ago. They got nailed big time.

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I'm pretty new here, but my board-experience has been quite pleasant.

 

The areas (topics) are reasonably clear.

 

Like this General one: "no CD/DVD burning stuff," just anything that might generate give/take. Most sites would call it "Off Topic."

 

However, the other General one, on the suite, should be general-enough to tolerate the pros AND cons of EMC8 and the other Big Players in this game.

 

As "gramps" often points out, this site is company-sponsored/paid for, while the other guy's isn't.

Well, there's a couple of ways to look at that.

A Chevy-sponsored site is NOT going to allow ANYTHING nice to be said about Fords, even though, believe it or not, Fords DO have some good points, and in some ways better than Chevys. and vice-versa.

The Nero sites, and there are some, are NOT company sites, but JUST sites. No reason to be suspect of hidden "motives."

 

Threads get locked for "reasons." Some posts get "invisibilized" for "reasons."

OK. There will allways be "reasons" and people with the power to determine them. I don't think people have problems with that, but people DO have problems with posts that get locked JUST for being un-complimentary of a product.

Heck. People WITH product problems come here, and they are NOT happy that the product isn't working for them.

 

So, the "staff" here, if "staff" applies, are a buch of knowlegable people who like to help.

That's great.

(Anybody do taxes?)

 

Those with "lockdown" power, in my opinion, need to relax a whole lot and realize that there just isn't any other place to BOTH "vent" and seek help. Yes, there ARE those that OVER-vent (lockable) and those that lack the diplomatic skills to ask POLITELY for help. (They wouldn't be here and angry if everything was peachy-keen).

Well, that's REAL LIFE.

 

Anyhow, that's MY General opinion...

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You make some good points Bruce. I will certainly agree that any time anyone comes on a ligitimate web site forum, regardless of who's it is, and posts information that could or would be detrimental to the community as a whole should be blocked when it is against the rules or law. However, I think every individual has the right to express his or her own opinion as to if the rule or law is right or wrong. And that goes for this Roxio "General Chat" forum as well, especially when it comes to Copy Protection discussions.

 

As far as just "Discussing" if copy protection is right or wrong is one thing and if you would close down or lock those types of posts (in a heart beat) then I disagree. However, if those same posts are advertising or indicating how to deliberately break the law about copy protection or negate encryption of commercial DVD's, that's an entirely different situation and the forum administrators should definitely shut those post down, or suffer the consequences as you suggested in the 3-2-1 Studios case.

 

No mal thoughts or suggestions at all Bruce. Isn't this just a personal opinion type of post anyway ? I suspect that this particular post has been beaten to death so far and I will refrain from negative thoughts hence forth. Thanks to all for their opinions. Now I need to get back to some more learning about EMC problems. And I hope all you gurus will be around when I need some help.

 

Cheers

Frank.....

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You make some good points Bruce. I will certainly agree that any time anyone comes on a ligitimate web site forum, regardless of who's it is, and posts information that could or would be detrimental to the community as a whole should be blocked when it is against the rules or law. However, I think every individual has the right to express his or her own opinion as to if the rule or law is right or wrong. And that goes for this Roxio "General Chat" forum as well, especially when it comes to Copy Protection discussions.

 

As far as just "Discussing" if copy protection is right or wrong is one thing and if you would close down or lock those types of posts (in a heart beat) then I disagree. However, if those same posts are advertising or indicating how to deliberately break the law about copy protection or negate encryption of commercial DVD's, that's an entirely different situation and the forum administrators should definitely shut those post down, or suffer the consequences as you suggested in the 3-2-1 Studios case.

 

No mal thoughts or suggestions at all Bruce. Isn't this just a personal opinion type of post anyway ? I suspect that this particular post has been beaten to death so far and I will refrain from negative thoughts hence forth. Thanks to all for their opinions. Now I need to get back to some more learning about EMC problems. And I hope all you gurus will be around when I need some help.

 

Cheers

Frank.....

 

Frank, I have no problems with folks talking about the disgust of not being able to legally copy a DVD movie that was legally purchased. The problem is when folks come in here and start talking about all of the programs out there that can break the encryption to copy the DVD's that they purchased. I know about those programs.

 

I don't work for Roxio, and I am not paid by Roxio for my posting. I have no problems with folks bashing the Roxio software, if the circumstances are as I posted earlier. My first post on the old forums bashed Roxio for the dangerous version 6 software that they sold. I ghosted my main partition before I installed it, and it is a good thing that I did, or I would not be posting here right now. Version 6 rendered my computer useless because of how it changed all of my logical drive designations.

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I'm pretty new here, but my board-experience has been quite pleasant.

 

The areas (topics) are reasonably clear.

 

Like this General one: "no CD/DVD burning stuff," just anything that might generate give/take. Most sites would call it "Off Topic."

 

However, the other General one, on the suite, should be general-enough to tolerate the pros AND cons of EMC8 and the other Big Players in this game.

 

As "gramps" often points out, this site is company-sponsored/paid for, while the other guy's isn't.

Well, there's a couple of ways to look at that.

A Chevy-sponsored site is NOT going to allow ANYTHING nice to be said about Fords, even though, believe it or not, Fords DO have some good points, and in some ways better than Chevys. and vice-versa.

The Nero sites, and there are some, are NOT company sites, but JUST sites. No reason to be suspect of hidden "motives."

 

Threads get locked for "reasons." Some posts get "invisibilized" for "reasons."

OK. There will allways be "reasons" and people with the power to determine them. I don't think people have problems with that, but people DO have problems with posts that get locked JUST for being un-complimentary of a product.

Heck. People WITH product problems come here, and they are NOT happy that the product isn't working for them.

 

So, the "staff" here, if "staff" applies, are a buch of knowlegable people who like to help.

That's great.

(Anybody do taxes?)

 

Those with "lockdown" power, in my opinion, need to relax a whole lot and realize that there just isn't any other place to BOTH "vent" and seek help. Yes, there ARE those that OVER-vent (lockable) and those that lack the diplomatic skills to ask POLITELY for help. (They wouldn't be here and angry if everything was peachy-keen).

Well, that's REAL LIFE.

 

Anyhow, that's MY General opinion...

 

You were locked down by Roxio, when you first started posting. IMHO, they were right, but when you actually started asking questions on what to do, I asked that your posts not be hidden. We are not staff, and if someone comes in and asks for help, in a non-polite way, I look at it as a demand, and I have no qualms in telling them to shove it where the sun don't shine.

 

I don't work for the company, so I really don't have to be nice. I am, most of the time, but if you *^$$ me off, you will know about it. If I irritate Roxio, it is their prerogative whether or not they kick me off of their forums. I don't have a problem with that.

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I don't work for Roxio, and I am not paid by Roxio for my posting. I have no problems with folks bashing the Roxio software, if the circumstances are as I posted earlier. My first post on the old forums bashed Roxio for the dangerous version 6 software that they sold. I ghosted my main partition before I installed it, and it is a good thing that I did, or I would not be posting here right now. Version 6 rendered my computer useless because of how it changed all of my logical drive designations.

They never fixed that, either.

 

And they are still selling it.

 

Unacceptable.

 

And nothing can be done about it.

 

Lynn

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Posts do get locked for a number of reasons. I don't know of any 'rules' that govern which get locked and which don't. Usually, it's because they are discussing something illegal, there are duplicate messages, or the discussion is deteriorating to personal attacks.

 

However, that doesn't stop someone from posting again.

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Posts do get locked for a number of reasons. I don't know of any 'rules' that govern which get locked and which don't. Usually, it's because they are discussing something illegal, there are duplicate messages, or the discussion is deteriorating to personal attacks.

 

However, that doesn't stop someone from posting again.

I think it all comes down to reasonable posting....

some users that have legitimate issues, have an open right to say what they want to a point...

but after those users hijack other users post with there same ranting... then i think there needs to be some sort of gating of there behavior.

there is only so many times that you can ask someone to cool down and post there real issue after they get the @#$$@ Roxio this and $#### Roxio that out of there system.

i think the admins here locking post is a good thing, sometimes, iv seen some real bad posts here siting on the site before they have been deleted buy admin staff... and some users need to be vetted before they post to the common arena as Roxio would be held in liable status for the legal side of this if they didn't.

 

Moderators here should:

PM them, tell the users the issue, then give them a fair go, if that still doesn't work , then lock posts or invisible them, or even give them the kick... i don't mind as long as it is fair.

remember Kidd's and mothers and family members come on here.... i say lucky they don't have filters running stopping any of this (as most sites do)

theres my raint...

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