jsymons Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 I'm thinking about purchasing a USB DVD Burner. Has anyone used one with repeated success? Ant make/model tips are welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdanteek Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 I'm thinking about purchasing a USB DVD Burner. Has anyone used one with repeated success? Ant make/model tips are welcome. Slow and expensive! What brand of PC do you have and how old? Do you have PC experience to install a internal DVD drive? Could a friend with PC experience help you install a internal DVD Drive? cd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ml Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 I'm thinking about purchasing a USB DVD Burner. Has anyone used one with repeated success? Ant make/model tips are welcome. I've used one with success on three different computers. They are a bit slower than one installed in the computer as cd says, but if you're not burning a lot of copies, that's probably not a concern. It does have more failed 'writes' than my internal burner, but it can be an inexpensive way to burn DVDs if you don't know how to install hardware in your computer. However, you do need a USB 2.0 port on your computer and you've got to make certain your computer exceeds the minimum specifications. As to make and model.... they change so frequently that I can't keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrallas Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 I'm thinking about purchasing a USB DVD Burner. Has anyone used one with repeated success? Ant make/model tips are welcome. To cd's chagrin , I bought the Lite-on that appears in my signature. Great if you need to swap between pcs -- I do between an xp and a Vista. I have had 0 problems over the 5 months (?) or so I have owned it. Added benefit -- the Disc Quality feature of Nero's free Disc Speed program works w/ the burner, so you can check the quality of the burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsymons Posted January 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Do you have PC experience to install a internal DVD drive? Ive been building PC's since the 286 days. I have a XP Media Center Edition 2005 with a Biostar GF7050V-M7 with a Intel Core 2. The problem is the m/b only has one ide. And I have two 300 gig ide hd's on it. Does have sata though. So Ive priced sata drives and may go that route. But I was thinking about the USB type so I could reuse on my other PC's if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdanteek Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 To cd's chagrin I only did that after telling you I would go internal... the m/b only has one ide. So does mine, I have 2 IDE and one SATA burner installed. Buy one for both pc's, $24.95 and free shipping, cheaper than 1 external USB... cd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ml Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 But I was thinking about the USB type so I could reuse on my other PC's if needed. They aren't very expensive and they are very convenient if you want to use them on another PC as long as they have USB 2.0 ports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_deweywright Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 I've got two internal PATA DVD burners, and an external QFlix DVD drive connected by USB. Burn speed is slightly faster, if anything, using the USB connected drive. And if I need to rip an Audio CD, the USB drive is many times faster than the internal drives, but I'm sure that's just a function of the drives themselves, not the interface. No problems with the discs I've burned using the external drive either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrallas Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Well, it looks like jsymons has some information to digest, and, importantly, that he really can't go too wrong either way. BTW: I hope cd knows I was just ribbing him w/ my post above, he's a very knowledgeable guy on whose advice I rely often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdanteek Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 They aren't very expensive and they are very convenient if you want to use them on another PC as long as they have USB 2.0 ports. Cheapest at Newegg is $44.99 that's two to one, highest priced $119.99 that's five to one, I call that expensive. As far as convenient, usually the cords are short 3' to 4', and the power cord has the big block plugin. I've got two internal PATA DVD burners, and an external QFlix DVD drive connected by USB. Burn speed is slightly faster, if anything, using the USB connected drive. And if I need to rip an Audio CD, the USB drive is many times faster than the internal drives, but I'm sure that's just a function of the drives themselves, not the interface. No problems with the discs I've burned using the external drive either. There's something wrong with the BenQ DW1620 and or it's settings...what is many times faster? I just ripped a 74 minute Audio CD in C2009 Rip, on a IDE BenQ1640 and SATA DX-20A6Q, a tie 4:40 min I have the same USB drive, removed it from the enclosure and installed it internal, it's a SATA Drive. cd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_deweywright Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 There's something wrong with the BenQ DW1620 and or it's settings...what is many times faster? cd Ooops... my signature needed updating... those 2 drives are LiteOn DH20A4P drives and they don't seem to rip at much over 2X. And I'm surprised they're so slow at ripping CDs too, but they'll write DVDs and CDs much faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdanteek Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Ooops... my signature needed updating... those 2 drives are LiteOn DH20A4P drives and they don't seem to rip at much over 2X. And I'm surprised they're so slow at ripping CDs too, but they'll write DVDs and CDs much faster. Check the DMA settings.... cd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_deweywright Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Check the DMA settings.... cd All are set to "DMA if available" and then say that the current mode is "Ultra DMA 5". I don't think I'd get 6X - 8X DVD burning out of them if they weren't in DMA mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandpabruce Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 All are set to "DMA if available" and then say that the current mode is "Ultra DMA 5". I don't think I'd get 6X - 8X DVD burning out of them if they weren't in DMA mode. Dave, I believe those are hard drives. I don't recall any burners that ran in anything over Ultra DMA Mode 4, but I could be wrong. Hard drives do run in Ultra DMA Mode 5. My SATA hard drives run in Ultra DMA Mode 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdanteek Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 All are set to "DMA if available" and then say that the current mode is "Ultra DMA 5". I don't think I'd get 6X - 8X DVD burning out of them if they weren't in DMA mode. Bruce is correct, Ultra DMA 5 are the Hard Drives Here is what my two burners, BenQ 1640 and 1650 look like on the Secondary IDE Channel in XP. Your burners on IDE should show Ultra DMA Mode 2 like mine. cd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_deweywright Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Dave, I believe those are hard drives. I don't recall any burners that ran in anything over Ultra DMA Mode 4, but I could be wrong. Hard drives do run in Ultra DMA Mode 5. My SATA hard drives run in Ultra DMA Mode 6. Ah you're right. Actually, I'd forgotten that I didn't have one of the two drives on the Primary IDE controller. On the secondary controller it does say Ultra DMA 4 for that drive. And since the other LiteOn drive is on a PCI/IDE controller, Windows actually shows it as SCSI connected, so I don't get an UltraDMA indication, however, it responds almost identically to the one on the Secondary IDE controller. (As I noticed when I wrote 200 DVD images.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdanteek Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 What is connected and how, to the two IDE controllers on this XP PC? Are you using 40 pin 40 wire or 40 pin 80 wire IDE connectors? cd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_deweywright Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 What is connected and how, to the two IDE controllers on this XP PC? Are you using 40 pin 40 wire or 40 pin 80 wire IDE connectors? cd Primary IDE controller has 2 HDs. Secondary IDE controller, HD as Master, DVD drive as Slave. PCI controller has just the single DVD drive as master. All using 80 wire connectors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdanteek Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Secondary IDE controller, HD as Master, DVD drive as Slave. A Hard Drive and a DVD Drive on the same controller/channel have caused similar problems. Are you ripping from (This DVD Drive) and writing to (This Hard Drive) on this same controller/channel? Are you reading from (This Hard Drive) and writing to (This DVD Drive) on this same controller/channel? Have you ever put the two DVD Drives as Master Slave on the Secondary IDE controller/channel and moved the Hard drive to the PCI controller? cd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_deweywright Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 A Hard Drive and a DVD Drive on the same controller/channel have caused similar problems. Are you ripping from (This DVD Drive) and writing to (This Hard Drive) on this same controller/channel? Are you reading from (This Hard Drive) and writing to (This DVD Drive) on this same controller/channel? Have you ever put the two DVD Drives as Master Slave on the Secondary IDE controller/channel and moved the Hard drive to the PCI controller? cd It doesn't matter which of the two drives I rip with, I get the same performance, either the Slave drive, or the one on it's own channel. When I initially put this box together, it was with the need to write a bunch of DVD images. To get any performance on the system, I wound up adding the PCI/IDE card and putting everything on it's own IDE channel. That let me write two DVDs at a time at 6X reliably. Usually I'm writing to one of the HDs on the Primary IDE controller, so it's not on the same channel as either of the DVD drives. And too, I'm not bothered by the slow rip speed, just a bit surprised. Data read speed is fine, so I'm not convinced that it's a controller issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdanteek Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 It doesn't matter which of the two drives I rip with, I get the same performance, either the Slave drive, or the one on it's own channel. When I initially put this box together, it was with the need to write a bunch of DVD images. To get any performance on the system, I wound up adding the PCI/IDE card and putting everything on it's own IDE channel. That let me write two DVDs at a time at 6X reliably. Usually I'm writing to one of the HDs on the Primary IDE controller, so it's not on the same channel as either of the DVD drives. And too, I'm not bothered by the slow rip speed, just a bit surprised. Data read speed is fine, so I'm not convinced that it's a controller issue. You have a hardware and or configuration issue. If your happy ripping at 2X fine, this is 2009 not 1994.. Model LITE-ON DH-20A4P-04 Write Speed DVD+R - 20X DVD+RW - 8X DVD-R - 20X DVD-RW - 6X CD-R - 48X CD-RW - 32X DVD+R DL - 8X DVD-R DL - 8X DVD-RAM - 12X Read Speed DVD-ROM - 16X CD-ROM - 48X LightScribe Support No Interface IDE cd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_deweywright Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 You have a hardware and or configuration issue. If your happy ripping at 2X fine, this is 2009 not 1994.. Model LITE-ON DH-20A4P-04 Write Speed DVD+R - 20X DVD+RW - 8X DVD-R - 20X DVD-RW - 6X CD-R - 48X CD-RW - 32X DVD+R DL - 8X DVD-R DL - 8X DVD-RAM - 12X Read Speed DVD-ROM - 16X CD-ROM - 48X LightScribe Support No Interface IDE cd Unfortunately, none of that describes whether or not the drive supports "Accurate Stream" reading of Audio CDs, or at what speed, because the actual format of data on an Audio CD is different than that for a Data CD. Read Speed, as listed above, would be for Data, and there is a difference between "playing" an Audio CD and doing Digital Audio Extraction. I believe Exact Audio Copy tries to use Accurate Stream reading when ripping an Audio CD, and that's probably most of the reason for the slower reading. Also, as previously mentioned, the USB drive gives me around 12X ripping speed, so if I'm in a hurry, I use that drive. Otherwise, I start it up and just do other stuff while it runs slow. Yeah... I'm not content to go slow. Sometimes I even drive the speed limit on the highway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdanteek Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Unfortunately, none of that describes whether or not the drive supports "Accurate Stream" reading of Audio CDs, or at what speed, because the actual format of data on an Audio CD is different than that for a Data CD. Read Speed, as listed above, would be for Data, and there is a difference between "playing" an Audio CD and doing Digital Audio Extraction. I believe Exact Audio Copy tries to use Accurate Stream reading when ripping an Audio CD, and that's probably most of the reason for the slower reading. Also, as previously mentioned, the USB drive gives me around 12X ripping speed, so if I'm in a hurry, I use that drive. Otherwise, I start it up and just do other stuff while it runs slow. Yeah... I'm not content to go slow. Sometimes I even drive the speed limit on the highway. Three of mine do, if I use secure mode in EAC read speed is locked at 4x, because in secure mode EAC reads every sector at least twice, error correction. That is double your 2X rate! So what kind of grabing are we doing on the USB at 12X? cd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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