Dvd-video Encoding Problem

[UserA]

I use Roxio Creator 2009 Special Edition.

 

No matter how I output footage from Adobe Premiere Standard (i.e. MPGEG2) or AVI (upper or lower field first, progressive, deinterlaced) - the MyDVD encoding engine produces juggies on vertical objects when panning in the encoded Disk Image file I generate for preview before burning. This is irrespective of whether I select Interlaced or Progressive options in the Project Settings.

 

The MyDVD encoded image quality produced from the AVI input file is good, but the jugged (i.e. split, broken-up) verticals spoil the whole thing and make the video look awful.

 

Does anybody know how to solve this problem? Many thanks in advance.

[Jim_Hardin]

Try this: MyDVD - Tools - Options - Render, Software.

[UserA]

Try this: MyDVD - Tools - Options - Render, Software.

 

Thanks Jom.

 

No, switching to software rendering does not help.

 

I've noticed also that even in the preview window in VideoWave (when the clip is loaded for editing) and in MyDVD (also when loaded before encoding), clips play with the vertical juggies during panning (I use the same video sequence for testing this problem).

 

I have tried all combinations possible, even exporting an AVI clip from VideoWave in various formats and then importing them into MyDVD to burn. For a while, it seemed that exporting the Premiere-produced AVI file (upper/lower field first, or prgressive-no fields) through VideoWave in the best quality MPEG2 format lost the juggies, but then again, they re-appeared in further tests.

 

Also - the MyDVD burn encoding (e.g. HQ, PAL, interlaced or progressive) does not produce the same colour and saturation quality. the resulting DVD-Video VOB file (MPGEG2?) lookes a bit washed uop when played back in any computer video player (WMP or Roxio's).

 

Any ideas how to solve this problem? No reply from Roxio's tech help yet.

 

Thanks.

[ggrussell]

when played back in any computer video player (WMP or Roxio's).

Might be part of your issue. What is the final display for viewing this video? If it will be viewed on older CRT TV, then you should stick with interlaced. Even most LCD TVs are still interlaced only.

 

Second when viewing on a progressive computer monitor, you will NEVER get rid of jagged edges if the camcorder is panning very fast. When viewed on a larger LCD TV, it will only look worse. The solution to this is make sure you don't move the camcorder so fast during taping. Software solutions can only do so much. Have you viewed the disc on a TV and not the computer?

[Frega]

Hi

 

I have been working on the EXACT same issue and problems for the last week+ non-stop without any luck! I have my 2 IDENTICAL laptops, side-by-side, both with clean installs of Windows Vista Ultimate, but one with CREATOR 10 and the OTHER with CREATOR 2009 ULTIMATE installed.

 

Using VIDEOWAVE and creating the EXACT video edit of panning video, CREATOR 10 creates softer edges with some "echoing" when the MPEG -2 BEST DVD Setting is used; however, CREATOR 2009 creates Jagged Verticals (that look like mis-aligned horizontal video slices stacked up ontop of one another) that make watching the video look like it has BANDS of video playing slightly independently (up to ~5 BANDS of Video on top of each other especially during faster video panning). This output result is MOST noticeable in VIDEOWAVE if the video edit output has any of the Brightness, Contrast, and/or Saturation parameters altered on the original source video, even if any of those setting are adjusted by as small as 1/100th.

 

To prove my point even to myself, I took the finalized Video Edit MPEG that was created by BOTH programs, brought them both BACK into VIDEOWAVE to analyze FRAME-BY-FRAME the results as a "STILL" and witnessed that there is DEFINITELY DISTORTION introduced only in CREATOR 2009, where Complete Horizontal SECTIONS of Video where shifted out-of-alignment with video above and/or below it, causing the horrible viewing on all my DVD players, CRT & HD Screens as well as my Laptop monitors - ALL showed distortion in the picture. The ROOT of the problem appears to be in the possible UPDATED ENCODING being used in Creator 2009 (for MPEG in this case, again I have not tried AVI to see if the same problem exists).

 

There is yet ANOTHER problem in BOTH programs that I've noticed....If in VIDEOWAVE, the Video Edit does NOT include altering the Brightness, Contrast and/or Saturation Settings (possibly also including adjusting other Video parameters such as Auto-COLOR), and the VIDEOWAVE program generates an MPEG, VIDEOWAVE begins to "play" the video while CREATING a VIDEO FILE, but then only shows a Gray Concentric Circle MPEG Screen for the most part, until near the end, when it plays the Video Edit ending while generating the file.

 

HERE'S THE PROBLEM: If watched carefully, in the FINAL OUTPUT of this process, the exact portions of FINAL VIDEO that was "played" during its CREATION are WASHED-OUT (beginning and ending), and the MIDDLE Section (where the Gray Concentric Circle Screen appears), that portion looks DARKER/ CONTRASTED/HIGH COLOR. This occurs for no reason at all, and is a FLAW is on BOTH Creator 10 & 2009 Versions. It should be noted that this problem does NOT show-up if the Brightness, Contrast, and/or Saturation parameters ARE Adjusted, which FORCES the Video Edit to play in its ENTIRETY while being created, resulting in predictable video brightness/contrast/saturation throughtout the video.

 

These 2 problem are very possibly RELATED and should be investigated (if they haven't already been) All of the above should be easily confirmed by the reader using VIDEOWAVE with a 30 second video edit piece of video panning footage (no matter what speed the camera-person pans at).

 

Using different OUTPUT settings of INTERLACED or NON-INTERLACED did NOT change any of the above results.

 

Any real help would be most appreciated!

[ggrussell]

These 2 problem, Roxio, are very possibly RELATED and should be investigated. All of the above should be easily confirmed by the reader with a 30 second video edit piece of video footage where the video pans across, no matter what speed the camera-person pans at, the results are the same.

You aren't talking to Roxio. This is a user to user forum. Personally, I have used Creator 2009 with several different camcorders and just haven't seen this issue.

[Frega]

I FOUND THE CULPRIT! (Actually Jim Hardin (a few responses above) found it).

 

BOTH of my problems were RESOLVED after I changed the RENDERING Option from HARDWARE to SOFTWARE [found for CREATOR 2009 in the VIDEOWAVE - TOOLS - OPTIONS Rendering Using (select) SOFTWARE ]

 

AFTER making this setting, I had to RE-CREATE the Video File in VIDEOWAVE, which created the "clean" Video desired....

 

BUT BEWARE:......Depending upon your Hardware/Software, changing from HARDWARE RENDERING to SOFTWARE RENDERING may result in MISSING "Transitions" that were once available in the previous setting, which happened to me. They are still saved in the VIDEOWAVE production, but no longer "create" those effects when played and/or compiled to create a new MPEG.

 

Thanks to the above 3 for sharing your thoughts which led me to resolving the issue at hand.

[ggrussell]

Just so you know - when you see the 'Gray Concentric Circle Screen', Videowave/MyDVD is NOT rendering the video, but passing it through because the file is DVD compliant. If you do see the video, that mean the app is re-rendering. So when you adjust the brightness, contrast, add transitions or effects, Videowave/MyDVD must re-render those portions.

[Frega]

You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! (I just updated my findings above).

 

All of my issues were directly related to the RENDERING Process, which had to be changed from the (default) setting of HARDWARE to SOFTWARE, followed by RE-CREATING the Video File in VIDEOWAVE.

 

Again, thank you so much for your insights and forcing me to re-think this through based on your comments provided throughout above.

 

My Best, Frega

[UserA]

Might be part of your issue. What is the final display for viewing this video? If it will be viewed on older CRT TV, then you should stick with interlaced. Even most LCD TVs are still interlaced only.

 

Second when viewing on a progressive computer monitor, you will NEVER get rid of jagged edges if the camcorder is panning very fast. When viewed on a larger LCD TV, it will only look worse. The solution to this is make sure you don't move the camcorder so fast during taping. Software solutions can only do so much. Have you viewed the disc on a TV and not the computer?

 

 

The pan is fairly slow, actually. Yes- the burnt disk displayed the same problem on a CRT TV.

Is your advice to stick to the interlaced setting when burning in MyDVD, no matter what the final TV display?

 

The problem is different, though. I have noticed the jugged edges appear in any Roxio display software, i.e. VideoWave and MyDVD, so this is not an encoding issue, but something else. Spoke to Roxio technical help and they think it is my video card drivers: advised updating all drivers, which I did. The NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5700's latest driver update is only the v. 6.20, dating from 2004. I have it. No more drivers recent available. Indeed, when the same clip was played on a different computer via the same Roxio Creator apps, no jugged edges appeared. Any ideas on how to update the card? Sony advised monitoring their update website, which does not offer any driver updates at all, and has not done so in my memory.

[ggrussell]

Ah, you had failed to mention that you were on a laptop. Very few laptops have video chipsets that can really handle video editing. Looking at the nVidia website, I don't even see the Go5700 listed and from what I can find on the internet, you have the latest driver (2004).