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I just tried the chapter menus with some older FCE footage that didn't work quite well before, and it worked perfectly after the latest update of Toast. In the previous revisions I could export the markers from FCE, but the placement was often off, some of them disappeared. After running the same FCE output files with the latest rev. (10.0.2) of Toast10, I disabled the marker setup in the drop down menu (Preferences) by selecting OFF, and in Edit>Video for the actual clip to "Automatic". I don't know if other settings would work as well. I then burned BD stream on DVD-R media (BD-5). All the chapters are spot on and work flawlessly. I tried this just once, but as I said, the chapters were never quite correctly located in the previous revisions and my previous attempts while using the exact same .mov files, so the function now appears to be fixed. I use PS-3 for playback. With this fix, everything works well as far as the PS-3 goes, menus, chapters, everything. Happy Easter! Hurrah NAVY!

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I just tried the chapter menus with some older FCE footage that didn't work quite well before, and it worked perfectly after the latest update of Toast. In the previous revisions I could export the markers from FCE, but the placement was often off, some of them disappeared. After running the same FCE output files with the latest rev. (10.0.2) of Toast10, I disabled the marker setup in the drop down menu (Preferences) by selecting OFF, and in Edit>Video for the actual clip to "Automatic". I don't know if other settings would work as well. I then burned BD stream on DVD-R media (BD-5). All the chapters are spot on and work flawlessly. I tried this just once, but as I said, the chapters were never quite correctly located in the previous revisions and my previous attempts while using the exact same .mov files, so the function now appears to be fixed. I use PS-3 for playback. With this fix, everything works well as far as the PS-3 goes, menus, chapters, everything. Happy Easter! Hurrah NAVY!

 

This is good news - if it's true for me too! I shall try it on my setup now.

 

If it IS true, why oh why, for heaven's sake, didn't they mention it on the "fixed issues" list??

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Please give it a shot. I really hope it works for you as well. It used to work somewhat in the past, this time it seems to work really well. As far as the release notes go, perhaps they don't feel it is fully functioning yet. Certainly the guys with some of the BD players, that cannot have regular menus working, will not have these working either, or the chapter menus might even gotten fixed accidentally (by fixing something else) without anyone noticing, I've seen that done before. Anyway, I am anxious to hear whether you can confirm what my results, that are excellent so far.

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So far no luck. 10.0.2 behaves for me in the same way as 10.0.1 regarding picking up sub-chapter markers - i.e. they're all over the place, arbitrarily arranged somewhere near the "right" place (but not near enough - like 5% to 15% in error in duration along the chapter).

 

This is exporting the "DVDSP" markers from FCP. I've now started a more thorough experiment, exporting all the different types of markers FCP can export, to see if any of them works in Toast 10.0.2. I'll report back when I've done.

 

Why, oh why, do we users have to resort to this time-consuming experimentation, when .... it could be described in the manual? Radical idea! Roxio Toast team? Anybody out there listening? You're not really helping your product you know with this silence.

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I am sorry if I caused you loss of time and effort. I should have tested more cases. I only did some of my older footage out of FCE, where I only exported chapter markers. I don't have FCP, so I cannot comment on it. Tis maybe why Roxio didn't consider the issue solved. I just got excited when it worked for my one trial. I am very sorry. I'd wish if they could remove the thread, so as not to cause more pain to others, wasting their time. Roxio is very poorly responsive to their customers. Once a while a guy get's on this forum, freezes some complaining threads, asks bunch of questions, then ignores the answers and life goes on without solutions. Very poor approach to customer's wishes. There are literarly three + thousands hits on couple of threads on this issue and issue of menus not playing on the newer BD players, and they just seem to be ignoring them, or don't know hoe to fix them. Of course Apple is even worse, they are now into phones. I am heading to Vegas (pun intended) to the NAB show and will see what alternatives are brewing there. Also Apple is supposed to rev the FCP about that time, so will see what will they support then, prejhaps Blu-ray.

 

One of the alternatives I know of is to break the "chapters" into individual sequences and set the Toast to "play continuously". It will then start at the sequence (Chapter) the viewer selects and go through the end. At the end the video keeps looping (I believe) on the last sequence, that could be set as text saying something like "The End, Please select Menu or Stop on Your Remote", but it is still probably not good enough for a pro. Maybe if Roxio at least created a "play through to the end" option, and stop the looping at the end, that could be acceptable intermediate cludge...

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No problem ComPH. I needed the stimulus to properly test this new 10.0.2 version. Summary - 10.0.2 is no better than 10.0.1 regarding BD sub-chapter markers; i.e. not really much use at all.

 

My tests: FCP can export six different classes of markers (labelled "all", "audio scoring", "chapter", "compression", "DVDSP" or "none") with the following results:

 

(1) Exporting "all", "chapter" or "DVD Studio Pro" markers: all result in Toast sub-chapter markers being placed near (but not predictably near) the right place - about 5% to 15% EARLY.

 

(2) Exporting "audio scoring", "compression" and "none" markers results in Toast defaulting to automatically placing markers, every 5 minutes.

 

I also don't like the way when, playing a segment AFTER the last marker in a chapter, pressing >>| won't go to the next chapter - which would be logical - (on my Panny BD35 player anyway), just saying "Operation not available".

 

It was useful to find all this out, but a real pain that Roxio haven't fixed it. Roxio should be praised for this attempt at exploiting Apple's refusal to do anything Blu-ray with DVD Studio Pro. However, they are badly fumbling the ball with this marker behaviour question.

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Thanks Mooblie. I feel embarrased, because I usually check things better, before starting a thread. I did one test on a 20 or so minute sequence that didn't work before, it actually lost couple of chapters sith 10.0.1, so I got prematurely excited, when it placed them correctly this time. I really didn't have any time recently to do any more testing, and with your experience and thorough test, I must conclude it was just a fluke. It must have eat a lot of time. I agree with everything you said on the subject.

 

As far as the player behavior, my PS-3 behaves the same as your Panasonic.

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Bump! I guess there's no progress on Toast 10 reading FCP/DVDStudioPro markers correctly when making Blu-ray discs? :(

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Thanks Mooblie. How about it Patatrox or Ivanatrox, any progress (or activity) in the chapter marker utilization effort?

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Bump again! I guess there's STILL no progress on Toast 10 reading FCP/DVDStudioPro markers correctly when making Blu-ray discs? :(

 

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Bump again! Any news anyone on Toast recognizing FCP Chapter Markers?

 

I don't suppose the soon-to-be-released Snow Leopard version of Toast will have swept up this requirement?

 

(BTW: I'm not trying to put BD on DVD, like the thread title, rather BD on BD - i.e. doing things properly: I just want chapter markers in my Toasted BDs!)

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Bump again! Any news anyone on Toast recognizing FCP Chapter Markers?

 

I don't suppose the soon-to-be-released Snow Leopard version of Toast will have swept up this requirement?

 

(BTW: I'm not trying to put BD on DVD, like the thread title, rather BD on BD - i.e. doing things properly: I just want chapter markers in my Toasted BDs!)

 

It'll be out next week and it'll fix chapter markers. ;)

 

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It'll be out next week and it'll fix chapter markers. ;)

 

Bump! Any ideas when? "Sep 22" + "Next week" = Last week! Projects waiting.... :)

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Bump! Any ideas when? "Sep 22" + "Next week" = Last week! Projects waiting.... :)

 

Sorry, we had to push it another day or two to resolve a crash issue with TiVo Transfer. We have positive feedback on the fix right now so updates Monday afternoon

 

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Same here. I really need this update as well. My chapter markers from FCP are all earlier than they should be. I can't figure out the exact amount to try and offset for it.

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Sorry, we had to push it another day or two to resolve a crash issue with TiVo Transfer. We have positive feedback on the fix right now so updates Monday afternoon

 

Hi,

 

any news on the update? This does seem to be taking rather a long time.

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