Tao Dao / Iso Juliet Udf Settings

[blake5298]

when creating data discs of music files, is it best to use TAO or DAO? and open or closed? and why?

 

also, what do the ISO+juliet / ISO+juliet+UDF / ISO level 2 have to do with? does this setting effect disc readability or anything else?

 

Thank you for your time

[blake5298]

I tried a burn with all those settings and the first disc verified successfully, the second attempt with the same files had errors come up in the verification, but when i went loaded the disc all the files played fine

 

what do you make of that? do you think the files were copied fine?

[Jim_Hardin]

I turned Verify OFF in Version 5!

 

I have never seen it catch a real mistake but have seen it issue false positives too many times.

 

[bimicher]

I tried a burn with all those settings and the first disc verified successfully, the second attempt with the same files had errors come up in the verification, but when i went loaded the disc all the files played fine

 

what do you make of that? do you think the files were copied fine?

 

Verified is a useless feature - I never use it.

[blake5298]

THANKS EVERY BODY FOR YOUR HELPS I FEEL MUCH MORE INFORMED DOING THIS NOW

[blake5298]

I use Creator Classic – UDF, No Bridge and leave disc open.

 

UDF allows almost unlimited file names and file paths.

 

 

OOOPS

 

I didn't notice the "creator classic" part... I've never used the classic, i always went the 'easy' route...

 

So, being new territory, I have a few questions - keep in mind i am making data dvds of music and text files or video (VOB or AVI) files:

 

I notice there is no DAO or TAO option in classic, so the program chooses?

 

I see the "UDF" and "no bridge" options, but not the option to leave it "open"... where's that?

 

Do I want to mess with the default settings on "exclude all system/hidden files"?

 

Do i want to select "do not split files in multi-disc projects" or leave it unchecked?

 

What is that encryption option, do i want to mess with it?

 

Unlike the 'easy' data creator, the classic doesn't seem to have an option 'only use disc for one recording'... will classic finalize automatically, or will i have to finalize manually after each burn?

 

Anything else i should know... this media is very important to me and i want to do the best at preserving it!!

 

Lastly, is there any reason to remake the data dvd-rs i made with the easy data creator with TAO(open), mode 1 selected?

 

I KNOW THIS IS A LOT, BUT AS I SAID THIS MEDIA IS VERY MEANINGFUL TO ME AND YOUR HELP IS VERY MUCH APPRECILOVED!!

 

THANK YOU

[grandpabruce]

OOOPS

 

I didn't notice the "creator classic" part... I've never used the classic, i always went the 'easy' route...

 

So, being new territory, I have a few questions - keep in mind i am making data dvds of music and text files or video (VOB or AVI) files:

 

I notice there is no DAO or TAO option in classic, so the program chooses?

 

I see the "UDF" and "no bridge" options, but not the option to leave it "open"... where's that?

 

Do I want to mess with the default settings on "exclude all system/hidden files"?

 

Do i want to select "do not split files in multi-disc projects" or leave it unchecked?

 

What is that encryption option, do i want to mess with it?

 

Unlike the 'easy' data creator, the classic doesn't seem to have an option 'only use disc for one recording'... will classic finalize automatically, or will i have to finalize manually after each burn?

 

Anything else i should know... this media is very important to me and i want to do the best at preserving it!!

 

Lastly, is there any reason to remake the data dvd-rs i made with the easy data creator with TAO(open), mode 1 selected?

 

I KNOW THIS IS A LOT, BUT AS I SAID THIS MEDIA IS VERY MEANINGFUL TO ME AND YOUR HELP IS VERY MUCH APPRECILOVED!!

 

THANK YOU

 

In Creator Classic, after you click the burn button, if you want to have the disc closed, leave the Read Only box, checked. If you want to do a multi-session disc, uncheck that box, and you will be able to add more data, at a later date.

 

[Jim_Hardin]

Inquisitive, we are?

 

Hidden or System Files – do you need them?

 

Don’t Split – it is voodoo with optical media and will lead to grief!

 

Encryption – requires a password to restore a file. Forget the password and you never ever see your data again…

 

Bruce got the Read Only switch.

 

[blake5298]

Am i to gather from you ignoring the question that track-at-once or disc-at-once is not important for what i'm doing?

 

I wouldn't know if i need system/hidden files, like i said i am making data discs only of audio and video files...

 

If the "don't split" option is best, why by default does classic have it unchecked?

 

What is the advantage of using classic versus the 'easy' data creator?

 

 

THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR TIME AND HELP.

[grandpabruce]

Am i to gather from you ignoring the question that track-at-once or disc-at-once is not important for what i'm doing?

 

I wouldn't know if i need system/hidden files, like i said i am making data discs only of audio and video files...

 

If the "don't split" option is best, why by default does classic have it unchecked?

 

What is the advantage of using classic versus the 'easy' data creator?

 

 

THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR TIME AND HELP.

 

If you have enough data, and music files, to fill up a DVD, leave the Read Only box checked. This will close the disc, and no more data can be added.

 

If you don't have enough data, to fill a disc, and you feel that you will have more data to burn, in the near future, uncheck the Read Only box, and you will be able to add data in the future. When the disc gets pretty much full, in the future, you can then check the box again, to close that disc.

 

Oh, and if all of that data is really important, back it up to a different hard drive, too. I use an external drive to back up all of my important data.

 

[Brendon]

Am i to gather from you ignoring the question that track-at-once or disc-at-once is not important for what i'm doing?

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What is the advantage of using classic versus the 'easy' data creator?

Disc-at-Once will close the disc so that no more data can be written to it. That's the only importance it has for data. The Read-only button invokes DAO. The TAO/DAO thing is much more important when writing audio-CD discs, as TAO adds 2 seconds of gap before each audio track.

 

Creator Classic [until the Sonic people started messing with it] is a full-featured Roxio system which gives the user a lot more control over the process than the 'dumbed-down' Sonic 'Make Data Disc' applet.

[blake5298]

Disc-at-Once will close the disc so that no more data can be written to it. That's the only importance it has for data. The Read-only button invokes DAO. The TAO/DAO thing is much more important when writing audio-CD discs, as TAO adds 2 seconds of gap before each audio track.

 

Creator Classic [until the Sonic people started messing with it] is a full-featured Roxio system which gives the user a lot more control over the process than the 'dumbed-down' Sonic 'Make Data Disc' applet.

 

I close every disc each session, and have no need to add more, so i'm good on that

 

As for the classic, i'm starting to wonder if all the choices aren't more of a worry than a help

 

I read somewhere that doing track-at-once has the advantage of realigning the laser so less errors occur, is that the case with data disc creation or only audio tracks of a CDR?

 

When making a dvd-data disc, does the program consider each folder containing media to be a track or is every single file a track...?

 

For instance i might make a disc with 10 folders, each containing 15-20 FLAC or VOB files...

 

[Brendon]

I close every disc each session, and have no need to add more, so i'm good on that

 

As for the classic, i'm starting to wonder if all the choices aren't more of a worry than a help

 

I read somewhere that doing track-at-once has the advantage of realigning the laser so less errors occur, is that the case with data disc creation or only audio tracks of a CDR?

 

When making a dvd-data disc, does the program consider each folder containing media to be a track or is every single file a track...?

 

For instance i might make a disc with 10 folders, each containing 15-20 FLAC or VOB files...

The choices were a delight for long-time users. Just set 'em and forget 'em unless you had special needs.

 

I doubt that modern drives need realigning during/between burns. The servos are constantly working hard to align the optics and follow a wobbling 'groove' on an imperfect disc that's spinning at high speed at a varying distance from the head, yet a good drive will minimize both tracking and focus errors. These drives can pinpoint their position within extremely small distances when using buffer underrun prevention, and that would be impossible if they needed realignment.

 

A 'track' on a standard data disc is the length of burn done during a single operation or session. If you write only a single session to your 10 folder 150-200 file disc it will have a single track. [Note that this is for standard data discs. Packet writing - D2D etc - is a totally different system which changes from vendor to vendor, version to version, and even from drive to drive.]

 

Use the provided information tool Home > Tools > Disc Information and have a peep at some of your various discs.

 

Regards,

Brendon

[blake5298]

The choices were a delight for long-time users. Just set 'em and forget 'em unless you had special needs.

 

I doubt that modern drives need realigning during/between burns. The servos are constantly working hard to align the optics and follow a wobbling 'groove' on an imperfect disc that's spinning at high speed at a varying distance from the head, yet a good drive will minimize both tracking and focus errors. These drives can pinpoint their position within extremely small distances when using buffer underrun prevention, and that would be impossible if they needed realignment.

 

A 'track' on a standard data disc is the length of burn done during a single operation or session. If you write only a single session to your 10 folder 150-200 file disc it will have a single track. [Note that this is for standard data discs. Packet writing - D2D etc - is a totally different system which changes from vendor to vendor, version to version, and even from drive to drive.]

 

Use the provided information tool Home > Tools > Disc Information and have a peep at some of your various discs.

 

Regards,

Brendon

 

OOOOOOOOOOK, i'm going to lay out all the options and what i gather would be the best settings from all your inputs, and if you'd be so kind to look it over real quick and either just reply 'yes' or 'correct' if all looks good or tell me if something is amiss...

 

1) encryption = no

 

2) file system = UDF102

 

3) bridge = no bridge

 

4) "do not split file systems in multi-disc projects" = check this box

 

5) TAO or DAO = no need to choose if i check the "read only" box upon burning (will burn DAO by default)

 

6) "exclude file types" = still don't know if i should mess with these (system / hidden file exclusion) *ADVICE*

 

Now, i would like to ask once again: is there any reason to remake the data discs i created with the 'dumbed down' data disc creator using settings TAO and mode 1 or are they trustable?

 

 

Once again THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, YOU ALL HAVE BEEN SO HELPFUL

[Brendon]

Hello Blake5298,

 

I take it that's a long "okay" and not an "Oook" that you might see in Terry Pratchet's books ?

 

[1] Definitely no encryption

[2] yes

[3] I usually use the Joliet bridge. This just means that the disc will have both Joliet and ISO-9660 filenames.

[4] I don't like multi-disc projects, but I'd definitely check that box if I was going to do a multi disc project.

[5] you're right

[6] there are some hidden, system files such as thumbnails which change dynamically. I never include them because if you're asking the system to verify the disc you've just written and a thumb file has changed, then your verify will fail and usually it won't tell you which file failed, so you get a stomach ulcer worrying. I only write to disc files that I can see and that I want to write and verify. That keeps things much simpler and cleaner.

 

The discs you made with the "other" application should be fine and reliable, and there should be no need to rewrite them. It's the interface we don't like, not the reliability of the output.

The only discs I wouldn't trust long-term are packet-written ones [Drag-to-Disc/InCD/Direct CD/DLA etc] or ones made on an RW disc.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Brendon

[Jim_Hardin]

Leaving the No Bridge function un-checked seems to work in EMC 10. In other versions it would then limit filenames and more importantly file paths to Joliet standards.

 

Try it checked – if you get the ‘Filename too long’ warnings, uncheck it. – personally I have yet to see a computer that actually needs Joliet or ISO9660… then I haven’t see everything

 

I fully agree with Brendon on the System & Hidden files. You won’t need them.

 

[Jim_Hardin]

I use Creator Classic – UDF, No Bridge and leave disc open.

 

UDF allows almost unlimited file names and file paths.