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I have DirectCD v 4.02d-ds on a Dell running ME. DirectCD always worked fine. Recently, with no changes to hardware or software, I cannot record. Specifically, after formatting, I begin to copy files to the CD recorder, but after just a few even small files, the program just freezes. I can't stop the program or even reboot -- I have to unplug the machine.

The computer recognizes all the drives just fine, and if I put a previously recorded Cd (from my machine or any other) in the drive, it reads just fine. No firmware on the SONY drive is available, and I ran a Sony diagnostic on the drive and it worked fine.

 

I have tried:

turning off all other software, virus protection, etc.

upgrading directcd 3.01 to 3.05

slowing down record and play speed to 2x

disabling DMA

totally uninstalling Direct Cd and reinstalling.

 

any thoughts?

thanks!

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Hello,

 

It seems likely to me that your drive might be failing. Any drive which can still use Easy CD Creator 4 has to be pretty old, and drive lifespan is quite limited. The reading part is fine, but the writing part could be failing. It may be time to swap out the drive if you can find another one old enough to run this software.

 

However there is something more you can do before you point the finger firmly at the drive.

 

The fact that your system is freezing is probably because Windows is waiting for the drive to return control after performing some instruction. If the drive has ceased to respond or there is something wrong with one of the drivers doing the communication between Windows and the drive, then your system can loop forever waiting for the response, and only the big button will break the loop.

 

You've reinstalled the software, but did you remove all traces of it before reinstallation? Uninstallers will sometimes leave files or registry settings which are not replaced by reinstalling, so a broken file or registry key can be re-used and the problem isn't fixed.

 

I suggest you

-pop the hood of your computer and carefully reseat all cables and ribbon connections between the drive and the motherboard.

-locate your Easy CD Creator 4 installer CD and copies of updaters

-uninstall Easy CD Creator 4 completely using its own uninstaller and moving copies of any projects or labels you are keeping away from any Adaptec directories

-get a copy of the Roxio uninstaller, Roxizap (see the messages pinned to the top of the version 5 forum for a link to that), and run it to remove all the important Adaptec files and registry entries from your system

-reinstall and re-update the software.

 

Once you've done that, get a new disc and try the system. You will have replaced ALL the software and registry entries, checked the connections, and ruled out a faulty CD. If the system still fails you'll really need to look hard at the drive.

 

Go well

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Brendon:

Thanks very much for your quick reply. I had tried reseating the cables; in fact I have 2 CD drives (one is just a player) and even went so far as to change from 'cable select' to master/slave (both ways). Drives continue to show up fine and play, but same exact problem.

When uninstalling the software however, I did not clear out the registry entries as you suggest, so I will try that.

 

Appreciate the advice, I'll let you know how it goes.

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No firmware on the SONY drive is available, and I ran a Sony diagnostic on the drive and it worked fine.

 

I have owned Sony drives and had them fail. The Sony Drive check utility ( for that drive ), that actually writes to the disc has proved reliable for me in the past.

Follow Brendon's advice and if it's still broke post the drives model # in device manager and the installed firmware. There has to be firmware available but you may have the newest.

 

cdanteek

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I have owned Sony drives and had them fail. The Sony Drive check utility ( for that drive ), that actually writes to the disc has proved reliable for me in the past.

Follow Brendon's advice and if it's still broke post the drives model # in device manager and the installed firmware. There has to be firmware available but you may have the newest.

 

cdanteek

 

I would wonder about firmware updates - the program is from 1998, and the drive is probably not a lot newer. Firmware updates seem to me to have started becoming commonplace around the time of WinXP ... and ECDC 4 doesn't work with WinXP. It's also possible to fry a drive or computer if you don't know what you are doing with a flash update.

 

Lynn

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I noticed this on the forum FAQ for v5:

 

Newer RealPlayer versions use the same Adaptec burning engine as ECDC 4 and 5. When you add RealPlayer 9 or 10, it uses some of the same file names (with different contents) and registry key names (with different information) as ECDC 4 and 5. Therefore, ECDC 4 and 5 can't use the files and don't work. It depends on which you would rather keep. If you'd rather keep ECDC 4 or 5, uninstall the RealPlayer, clean it out with Roxizap or a "clean uninstall" (using the Microsoft Uninstall will leave bits and pieces), and re-install ECDC.

 

 

I do have Real Player 10. Does anyone know if this conflict with ECDC 4 also applies to DirectCD? Sorry for the stupid question, but I don't know if refernces to ECDC just refer to the creator or also apply to DirectCD.

 

Reason I'm still using this packet writing is that I do my 'extra backups' of data to a CD. Used to do zips, but every zip drive I've ever bought has failed sooner or later. So (realizing this is a Roxio board) if anyone has any suggestions for other easy copy/drag and drop, etc type way to burn, I'd appreciate it!

 

And I'm not at all adverse to buying a new drive. The SONY CRX160E that came with the machine is nothing great. Firmware is 1.0g.

Thanks all.

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I noticed this on the forum FAQ for v5:

 

Newer RealPlayer versions use the same Adaptec burning engine as ECDC 4 and 5. When you add RealPlayer 9 or 10, it uses some of the same file names (with different contents) and registry key names (with different information) as ECDC 4 and 5. Therefore, ECDC 4 and 5 can't use the files and don't work. It depends on which you would rather keep. If you'd rather keep ECDC 4 or 5, uninstall the RealPlayer, clean it out with Roxizap or a "clean uninstall" (using the Microsoft Uninstall will leave bits and pieces), and re-install ECDC.

I do have Real Player 10. Does anyone know if this conflict with ECDC 4 also applies to DirectCD? Sorry for the stupid question, but I don't know if refernces to ECDC just refer to the creator or also apply to DirectCD.

 

Reason I'm still using this packet writing is that I do my 'extra backups' of data to a CD. Used to do zips, but every zip drive I've ever bought has failed sooner or later. So (realizing this is a Roxio board) if anyone has any suggestions for other easy copy/drag and drop, etc type way to burn, I'd appreciate it!

 

And I'm not at all adverse to buying a new drive. The SONY CRX160E that came with the machine is nothing great. Firmware is 1.0g.

Thanks all.

 

Yes, I think it's about time to get newer software that RealAudio will not interere with. (Unless you want to get rid of RealAudio)

 

You might also consider a Flash drive (aka Jump / Pen / Keychain / Thumb) drive for backups, or an External hard Drive.

 

Lynn

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I do have Real Player 10. Does anyone know if this conflict with ECDC 4 also applies to DirectCD? Sorry for the stupid question, but I don't know if refernces to ECDC just refer to the creator or also apply to DirectCD.

 

Reason I'm still using this packet writing is that I do my 'extra backups' of data to a CD. Used to do zips, but every zip drive I've ever bought has failed sooner or later. So (realizing this is a Roxio board) if anyone has any suggestions for other easy copy/drag and drop, etc type way to burn, I'd appreciate it!

Thanks all.

The ECDC suite has two different burners as you've noticed, Creator and Direct CD. Versions of Media Player and Real Players started to use an Adaptec burning engine which Roxio OEMed out to them, and which conflicted with the Creator burning engine. As far as I know this doesn't clash with the Direct CD module, which is written by a different group of programmers.

 

This hasn't been covered in the FAQ because there's a limit to how much you can include in one of those without it becoming "War and Peace" :) and because use of packet writing (Direct CD) or rewriteable discs is not recommended for backups.

 

I know your pain with Zip disks, and the "click of death". :huh: It's a pity, because otherwise they'd be ultra useful.

 

If you want quick and easy, Direct CD is useful it's just the method isn't so reliable and drastically shortens the life of CDRWs. You can use it on CDRs within its limitations.

 

A reliable way to do daily backups is with Creator on a CDR. They can be read on any PC.

-open a folder for the day's work, and write the whole folder (named with the date) to a CD as a session. Close the session but leave the CD open.

-next day, IMPORT the previous session, and write another folder (new date) to the CD. Again, close the session but leave the CD open

-do this as often as you want until the CD gets full, then file it or whatever and use a new CD.

 

Something to remember if you get a new drive, it won't work with this old software since it won't be listed in the old Adaptec lookup tables. You'll need new software which might not read old Direct CD discs, so it would pay to read any vital data off them and put them onto a standard disc written by Creator before you go making any big changes.

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What media are you using? Is it cd-rw media? What is its speed rating?

Exactly what drive do you have? I believe you said Sony - but what model number and firmware revision?

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