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I am one of the odd ducks that have removable drive bays in my computer (a home brewed job).

 

It is an Athlon 2400 w/ 1 Gig RAM, 160Gig ATA133 HD parred down to 135Gig due to Win98se, LG CD RW/DVD ROM, Sony CD/DVD dual layer RW, and an Elite K7VTA3 motherboard.

 

This is a new hard drive, so is basically a fresh install (fresh install, fresh install, fresh install, ARGG!). If needed to try something I won't have a problem reinstalling the OS again.

 

I needed to get my video capture working on my ATI Radeon AIW 8500 working, so after around 20 hours of work and tinkering I managed to get the latest and last drivers to do their jobs correctly. ATI is about an obtuse website as I've seen, but they do have everything there that is needed.

 

So now I'm trying to get my copy of ECDC 6.0 working, a registered copy, for the DVD functions (I'll also use the VCD stuff). Problem is, playback using ATI's players are very jerky when ECDC is installed in any form. This also affects the cature function, basically in the same way, as dropped frames. I have tried only installing the minimal functions I feel I need on this drive (Creator, Copier, DVD Builder, Photosuite) with no luck. When I uninstall ECDC video capture starts working correctly again.

 

I am open to any suggestions. I just want to capture quality MP video files, I'm not married to this video card (cash is tight). I have a decent home network and other computers I can use to offload good MP3 files to and reinstall them on another HD on my computer, but this is kludgy at best.

 

Another kludgy solution is to offload/reinstall ECDC as needed. There appears to be a fundamental conflict between the packages somewhere, but I am currently out of ideas. If I could turn ECDC "off" while using the video capture functions this would work for me, but I don't have any ideas on that either.

 

Any help/ideas would be appriciated. I may contact ROXIO tech assist also. Thanks.

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Is the program actually dropping frames when it captures or does it just 'appear' to drop frames in the preview?

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Is the program actually dropping frames when it captures or does it just 'appear' to drop frames in the preview?

 

 

I'm not quite sure what you're asking. I think the answer would be both. The important thing is the frame drop is real. ATI's capture software shows it real time. It strongly resembles the drops I'm getting using ATI's player while ECDC6 is installed. ATI's capture routine works a lot better ECDC6's without ECDC6 around. I tried using the capture routine on ECDC6, the sound was unusable (had a loud video buzz), while ATI's capture is just about perfect.

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I'm not quite sure what you're asking. I think the answer would be both. The important thing is the frame drop is real. ATI's capture software shows it real time. It strongly resembles the drops I'm getting using ATI's player while ECDC6 is installed. ATI's capture routine works a lot better ECDC6's without ECDC6 around. I tried using the capture routine on ECDC6, the sound was unusable (had a loud video buzz), while ATI's capture is just about perfect.

This is more guess than knowledge, but I wonder if your DVD drives & video card might not be a bit too much for Roxio V.6 and Win98 SE.

 

I know Dual Layer DVD isn't supported until EMC 7.1, which kinda flags to me there might be a problem.

 

It might be time to upgrade the Operating System and recording software to go with the drives & video card ...?

 

Lynn

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This is more guess than knowledge, but I wonder if your DVD drives & video card might not be a bit too much for Roxio V.6 and Win98 SE.

 

I know Dual Layer DVD isn't supported until EMC 7.1, which kinda flags to me there might be a problem.

 

It might be time to upgrade the Operating System and recording software to go with the drives & video card ...?

 

Lynn

 

The computer handles it, the video card and it's drivers handle it just fine in Win98SE. I'm not going XP over this, don't like XP, and won't use it until there really isn't any choice. As I said, if ECDC6 can be disabled temporarily that would be a good fix. I find software whose makers think they are the only reason for owning a computer a major pain, there should always be an option not to have it installed from bootup.

 

Having said that, I'll look at my startup files and see if I can't do something there. Again, the problem isn't the DVD drive (yet), it's what ECDC6 is doing to my computer just sitting there.

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Probably the best thing to do with Drag2Disc is uninstall it, anyway.

 

Packet-Writing might be fine for temp backups if you are creating a webpage (which is what I understand it was created for), but most people learn the hard way it's not a good way to store anything for, say, future reference.

 

Lynn

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Probably the best thing to do with Drag2Disc is uninstall it, anyway.

 

Packet-Writing might be fine for temp backups if you are creating a webpage (which is what I understand it was created for), but most people learn the hard way it's not a good way to store anything for, say, future reference.

 

Lynn

 

Did I mention I've reinstalled the OS several times? Since I've started this thread I've done it 4 more times, stripped everything out and started from scratch. I've reduced ECDC6 down to Creator, DVD Builder, and Disk Copier with no luck. I have, however, successfully burned a DVD using a clean digitized MP2 1:20 Hour:Min I made with my ATI video digitizer, then burned the DVD with ECDC6 (and saved the ISO format file). SOB of a DVD disk didn't play in my computer, but it played OK in my DVD player (good enough). Even did some fancy formating that worked, as in chapters and titles.

 

The only thing I'm having problems with is the video digitizer. ECDC6 doesn't work well on the sound front or I would declared problem solved, and ATI's suite of software doesn't work with ECDC6 installed.

 

Startup was empty, I'll check MSConfig after a good nights sleep. I just got home from work after working the vampire shift.

 

Since I haven't said it yet thanks for the assist. I know this stuff is more art than science. I have had good luck with an Elite K7S5A Pro, I'm wondering if my memory is faulty or the other mother board really did work better. My last one burned out in the computer I'm currently using, and I replaced it with the current model on the quick. The change could be why my sound is flaky on the ECDC6 video digitizer, and I remember it working before. I've only gotten serious about burning home brewed DVDs to replace video tape (VHSC) recently. My kid has a computer that is pretty close in most reguards to this one (including the old motherboard). Unfortunately he is at his grandparents out of state, and took his computer with him (ungrateful twerp). If I get my hands on his I'll run some experiments to see if I'm remembering correctly or not.

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Scientific Voodoo is the term that comes to mind…

 

Since I am not familiar with the ATI card, please tell me if you are inputting from a source via a Firewire? – it is the only effective way Roxio will capture.

 

What is the processor speed of the AMD 2400?

 

What is the RPM of your HD?

 

What I am looking for is that you have to have some real CPU horsepower to capture as mpg2. Lacking that you must have a fast HD to handle the massive data flow of AVI capture.

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Scientific Voodoo is the term that comes to mind…

 

Since I am not familiar with the ATI card, please tell me if you are inputting from a source via a Firewire? – it is the only effective way Roxio will capture.

 

What is the processor speed of the AMD 2400?

 

What is the RPM of your HD?

 

What I am looking for is that you have to have some real CPU horsepower to capture as mpg2. Lacking that you must have a fast HD to handle the massive data flow of AVI capture.

 

Some tricky answers for those questions. If you go back to my first post a lot of info was already posted. An Athlon 2400 is, in theory, supposed to be equivalent to a 2400 Mhz processor. Actually the marketing dweeps have gotten ahold of the specs to sell their product, the actual speed is nearer to 1800 Mhz, and the CPU is suposed to have extra circuitry that makes it equivalent to the 2400 rating. I'm not sure I buy the marketing, but I like the speed.

 

The hard drive is an ATA 133 7200RPM model.

 

I figured most people had heard of the Radeon All-in-Wonder card, complete with TV tuner, HD (high definition) outputs, video in, video out, yadda yadda. Mine is a bit dated, but will play all the latest video games (so far). ATI has basically replaced 3DFX as the chip manufacturer of choice from where I sit, they make their own video cards, but even more manufacturers have jumped onboard and made video cards using their chipsets. I haven't met a VCR with a firewire, might be an interesting accessory. ECDC6 will indeed capture OK via the analog video inputs (as well as the TV tuner for that matter). The sound problem strikes me as a basic incompatibility between my Mic In jack. The manual even states that ECDC6 can record straight off the tuner, though I haven't tested that theory. I'm inclined to reject it, but it could happen.

 

Part of the reason I went to the Radeon 8500 is it will do 720X480 resolution on the video, which some earlier digitizer cards in the 3dFX VooDoo 3500 couldn't do. Actually it will do better than that, but it is what I've chosen as a minimum.

 

I've also bought a Magnavox DVD recorder from WalMart, the kind meant to replace VCRs. It works OK, but it's DVDs are off standard enough to make it unusable for my purposes. I like to mail my various recordings to people. If they can't use it I'm wasting my time.

 

Guess I'll have to make a dedicated HD just for digitizing my videos, then use the house network to offload it to another computer, swap to my main drive, and onload it back on. Kludgy, but like the old engineering saying goes, Good enough is enemy of the best.

 

If you have any other thoughts I'd still be interested in hearing them.

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