If you're running XP, I'd suggest doing a drive backup before installation -- as below [results of a monitored install], if you've got to try again, it will be difficult if not impossible to return your system to it's prior state otherwise... In Vista or Win7 System Restore works better -- in XP it preserves many changes you've made rather than rolling everything back.
Note that if you download the 2 large install & content files, the free 7Zip will expand them out to the actual files/folders like you'd expect to see on an installation disc... when you run setup they have to be expanded out anyway, so my opinion was/is why not do it once & get it over with?
Note that the sticky at the beginning of this forum section re: bad certificate error messages may have a bad link in it -- I had to search for the fix in the knowledge-base to be able to download. In win7 ult 64 it didn't work anyway -- had to restore a Restore Point & do it [run setup] again with McAfee A/V off the 2nd time. I don't know if it worked because I turned off McAfee A/V the 2nd time round, or if it was because I added SP2 without running Creator Classic 1st after initial install?... sometimes apps add registry entries, files etc on 1st run, & sometimes they're not all that obvious, like when it has to do with copy protection, so IMHO either is a possibility.
Be aware that Roxio's knowledge-base has some older entries that have not been updated/corrected, & some advice that I frankly disagree with, so check things out [research] before you follow any advice there unless it's Roxio software specific... I came across an older article on prep for install that included the advice to back up the registry using regedit -- that's an older myth that has mostly disappeared from the web [with regedit you can back it up all right, but not readily/easily restore]. Their more recent article, 000080GN, "Preparing your computer for installing Roxio products", advises updating graphics hardware drivers 1st -- good advice in a perfect world, but in ours, not so much. Graphics hardware [both separate cards & on-board chips] & drivers are a LOT more involved &/or complicated than years ago when everyone was running win95 &/or win98, & updating driver software can sometimes cause huge problems -- unless you're into swapping out driver versions/files & troubleshooting, please research 1st to find out if the current driver version is prone to causing problems with your hardware, & even then I'd suggest giving it a few days to make sure everything works with the new drivers before attempting a major software install like Creator 2010. If your hardware is HDMI capable, even if there isn't a place to plug in an HDMI cable [i.e. you have to use a DVI -> HDMI adapter], new drivers for the audio portion of your graphics hardware can be included with the graphics drivers [for HDCP] & can also cause problems. My advice is to either leave your drivers alone until you see how Creator 2010 behaves, or allow those few days to make sure everything's working like it should beforehand -- with things like random crashes it can easily take a few days to make sure you don't have any. A final caution: it's thankfully rare, but occasionally a version of graphics drivers will be really bad -- so bad that the only choices are to restore a backup, uninstall the drivers & .NET [to clear it's data], or make do until the next version... it's happened once or twice with ATI, & from what I've read, Nvidia also.
Running setup in XP Pro SP3 32 I repeatedly got messages re: Microsoft's C++ RunTime, saying the Roxio developers hadn't included a manifest [error R 6034]. Clicking OK to clear the messages installation proceeded. I had previously had problems with the Windows Installer records for C++ Runtime installations from other software [notably Sony Vegas 9C], but fixing those C++ runtime installer issues by removing the runtimes, clearing those records, then re-instlalling the latest versions had no effect. I had another problem when Windows re-started, caused by the CinemaNow service being set to start automatically, causing an ever increasing number of error messages re: indivdrm... rendered the system useless until the service was stopped. Not a lot of info out there on it, at least concerning Roxio &/or CinemaNow that I could find, but searching on indivdrm itself I came across a post with a Microsoft URL to fix indivdrm in/with wmplayer11 -- the activeX component on that page crashed the page/tab in ie8. A *guess* would be something along the line of competing [dualing?] drm, as I already had esellerate etc installed prior to Creator 2010 adding it again. I'm not a fan of drm schemes, so until I find something I use that's broken I'm not planning to look any further. Setting the service to disabled from automatic cured the problem so I could use Windows if not CinemaNow.
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Recorded installation of Creator 2010 in XP Pro SP3 32 using InstallWatch Pro 2.5c
*[Note: Previously had Easy Media Creator 9 Deluxe installed, so there were probably remnants in the way of driver files etc that were not removed, & might not show up in recorded changes.]
**[Note 2: Recorded base install before update.]
Summary:
Registry: Reported 88614 registry entries added, 30 deleted, & 367 modified... Note that those figures include some double counting, since InstallWatch Pro includes the same CLSID entries in both HKCR & HKLM -- add/remove 1 & you'll automatically add/remove the other. Probably just trivia: I use ERUNT to backup/restore the registry, & the total size of backup files provides a rough means of comparison -- Creator 2010, including SP2 & Content, increased that total size by ~6MB. The majority of additions are CLSIDs & entries of that sort, & many (as with EMC9) are created with restricted permissions -- a PITA for editing/removal that *may* prevent some other app from changing values.
Files [changes in Windows, Docs & Settings, & Common Files folders]: Reported 4259 files added, 88 updated... Under "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data" -- new folders = CinemaNow, Macrovision, Photoshow Shared Assets, Roxio, SmartSound Software Inc, Sonic, Uninstall. [Note: the Roxio folder includes Videowave templates & plugins.] [Note2: This SmartSound... folder holds ~385MB, mostly .sds sound files.] Under "C:\Documents and Settings\[uSER NAME]\Application Data" -- new folders = Macrovision, Roxio, Roxio Log Files, Simple Star, Sonic. Note the location: "C:\Documents and Settings\[uSER NAME]\Application Data\Roxio\EMC12\VideoUI\Proxy", as that's where proxy files can accumilate. Under "My Documents" a CinemaNow shortcut's added pointing to "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents\My Videos\CinemaNow", & a Roxio Folder's added to "My Music". I recorded 15 new .msi files & 14 folders added to "C:\Windows\Installer", while 8 folders were added to: "C:\WINDOWS\Installer\$PatchCache$\Managed". C:\Windows gets a file called: eSellerateEngine.dll, a "LastGood" folder's added, there are 15 files for C:\Windows\System32. There were some [iMHO less important to note] additions/changes in Windows' CatRoot, CatRoot2, config, GAC, inf, & wbem folders, while "EMBDA_63DE2A5B2EE2A229985624F1196A64EBDF7143A3" was added to ...System32\DRVSTORE. The 3 driver files [...System32\Drivers] are cdr4_xp.sys, cdralw2k.sys, & pxhelp20.sys. Finally "C:\Program Files\Common Files" gets folders: "Roxio Shared" [~200MB] & Sonic Shared.
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If you're running XP, I'd suggest doing a drive backup before installation -- as below [results of a monitored install], if you've got to try again, it will be difficult if not impossible to return your system to it's prior state otherwise... In Vista or Win7 System Restore works better -- in XP it preserves many changes you've made rather than rolling everything back.
Note that if you download the 2 large install & content files, the free 7Zip will expand them out to the actual files/folders like you'd expect to see on an installation disc... when you run setup they have to be expanded out anyway, so my opinion was/is why not do it once & get it over with?
Note that the sticky at the beginning of this forum section re: bad certificate error messages may have a bad link in it -- I had to search for the fix in the knowledge-base to be able to download. In win7 ult 64 it didn't work anyway -- had to restore a Restore Point & do it [run setup] again with McAfee A/V off the 2nd time. I don't know if it worked because I turned off McAfee A/V the 2nd time round, or if it was because I added SP2 without running Creator Classic 1st after initial install?... sometimes apps add registry entries, files etc on 1st run, & sometimes they're not all that obvious, like when it has to do with copy protection, so IMHO either is a possibility.
Be aware that Roxio's knowledge-base has some older entries that have not been updated/corrected, & some advice that I frankly disagree with, so check things out [research] before you follow any advice there unless it's Roxio software specific... I came across an older article on prep for install that included the advice to back up the registry using regedit -- that's an older myth that has mostly disappeared from the web [with regedit you can back it up all right, but not readily/easily restore]. Their more recent article, 000080GN, "Preparing your computer for installing Roxio products", advises updating graphics hardware drivers 1st -- good advice in a perfect world, but in ours, not so much. Graphics hardware [both separate cards & on-board chips] & drivers are a LOT more involved &/or complicated than years ago when everyone was running win95 &/or win98, & updating driver software can sometimes cause huge problems -- unless you're into swapping out driver versions/files & troubleshooting, please research 1st to find out if the current driver version is prone to causing problems with your hardware, & even then I'd suggest giving it a few days to make sure everything works with the new drivers before attempting a major software install like Creator 2010. If your hardware is HDMI capable, even if there isn't a place to plug in an HDMI cable [i.e. you have to use a DVI -> HDMI adapter], new drivers for the audio portion of your graphics hardware can be included with the graphics drivers [for HDCP] & can also cause problems. My advice is to either leave your drivers alone until you see how Creator 2010 behaves, or allow those few days to make sure everything's working like it should beforehand -- with things like random crashes it can easily take a few days to make sure you don't have any. A final caution: it's thankfully rare, but occasionally a version of graphics drivers will be really bad -- so bad that the only choices are to restore a backup, uninstall the drivers & .NET [to clear it's data], or make do until the next version... it's happened once or twice with ATI, & from what I've read, Nvidia also.
Running setup in XP Pro SP3 32 I repeatedly got messages re: Microsoft's C++ RunTime, saying the Roxio developers hadn't included a manifest [error R 6034]. Clicking OK to clear the messages installation proceeded. I had previously had problems with the Windows Installer records for C++ Runtime installations from other software [notably Sony Vegas 9C], but fixing those C++ runtime installer issues by removing the runtimes, clearing those records, then re-instlalling the latest versions had no effect. I had another problem when Windows re-started, caused by the CinemaNow service being set to start automatically, causing an ever increasing number of error messages re: indivdrm... rendered the system useless until the service was stopped. Not a lot of info out there on it, at least concerning Roxio &/or CinemaNow that I could find, but searching on indivdrm itself I came across a post with a Microsoft URL to fix indivdrm in/with wmplayer11 -- the activeX component on that page crashed the page/tab in ie8. A *guess* would be something along the line of competing [dualing?] drm, as I already had esellerate etc installed prior to Creator 2010 adding it again. I'm not a fan of drm schemes, so until I find something I use that's broken I'm not planning to look any further. Setting the service to disabled from automatic cured the problem so I could use Windows if not CinemaNow.
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Recorded installation of Creator 2010 in XP Pro SP3 32 using InstallWatch Pro 2.5c
*[Note: Previously had Easy Media Creator 9 Deluxe installed, so there were probably remnants in the way of driver files etc that were not removed, & might not show up in recorded changes.]
**[Note 2: Recorded base install before update.]
Summary:
Registry: Reported 88614 registry entries added, 30 deleted, & 367 modified... Note that those figures include some double counting, since InstallWatch Pro includes the same CLSID entries in both HKCR & HKLM -- add/remove 1 & you'll automatically add/remove the other. Probably just trivia: I use ERUNT to backup/restore the registry, & the total size of backup files provides a rough means of comparison -- Creator 2010, including SP2 & Content, increased that total size by ~6MB. The majority of additions are CLSIDs & entries of that sort, & many (as with EMC9) are created with restricted permissions -- a PITA for editing/removal that *may* prevent some other app from changing values.
Files [changes in Windows, Docs & Settings, & Common Files folders]: Reported 4259 files added, 88 updated... Under "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data" -- new folders = CinemaNow, Macrovision, Photoshow Shared Assets, Roxio, SmartSound Software Inc, Sonic, Uninstall. [Note: the Roxio folder includes Videowave templates & plugins.] [Note2: This SmartSound... folder holds ~385MB, mostly .sds sound files.] Under "C:\Documents and Settings\[uSER NAME]\Application Data" -- new folders = Macrovision, Roxio, Roxio Log Files, Simple Star, Sonic. Note the location: "C:\Documents and Settings\[uSER NAME]\Application Data\Roxio\EMC12\VideoUI\Proxy", as that's where proxy files can accumilate. Under "My Documents" a CinemaNow shortcut's added pointing to "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents\My Videos\CinemaNow", & a Roxio Folder's added to "My Music". I recorded 15 new .msi files & 14 folders added to "C:\Windows\Installer", while 8 folders were added to: "C:\WINDOWS\Installer\$PatchCache$\Managed". C:\Windows gets a file called: eSellerateEngine.dll, a "LastGood" folder's added, there are 15 files for C:\Windows\System32. There were some [iMHO less important to note] additions/changes in Windows' CatRoot, CatRoot2, config, GAC, inf, & wbem folders, while "EMBDA_63DE2A5B2EE2A229985624F1196A64EBDF7143A3" was added to ...System32\DRVSTORE. The 3 driver files [...System32\Drivers] are cdr4_xp.sys, cdralw2k.sys, & pxhelp20.sys. Finally "C:\Program Files\Common Files" gets folders: "Roxio Shared" [~200MB] & Sonic Shared.
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