Quality Questions

[wljc]

When Capturing a VHS video recorded in SP mode and then using Video Wave to edit the capture into multiple Titles what are the preferred Output/Export/Make Movie/Create Video File options?

 

Video file quality: DV Format AVI or MPEG-2 for DVD, better quality

 

Also since the VCR Video was recorded in the SP mode if AVI files or mpeg-2 for DVD are used is there any quality advantage when using HQ in the menu? I guess the question addressed would be is SP in VHS to DVD the same as SP in VHS?

 

[bimicher]

When Capturing a VHS video recorded in SP mode and then using Video Wave to edit the capture into multiple Titles what are the preferred Output/Export/Make Movie/Create Video File options?

 

Video file quality: DV Format AVI or MPEG-2 for DVD, better quality

 

Also since the VCR Video was recorded in the SP mode if AVI files or mpeg-2 for DVD are used is there any quality advantage when using HQ in the menu? I guess the question addressed would be is SP in VHS to DVD the same as SP in VHS?

 

 

To what format did you capture the video from the VHS tape? Avi is the best quality and I usually keep it as long as possible especially if I want to do any editing on the video. What do you want to do with the multiple Titles after editing? If they are to become individual titles on a new DVD then I would recommend not outputting/exporting from Videowave. Instead just save the edits to a VW project file. You then Add those project files in myDVD and all rendering will be done in myDVD.

 

If you do want to output from Videowave and use the video file in myDVD then you might as well output to mpeg, better quality. Outputting to DV avi for later use in myDVD does not gain you anything, in fact you would propably lose a bit of quality. since you would compress to avi and then compress back to mpeg again (if you initially captured to mpeg)

[wljc]

myguggi Thanks for the reply.

 

The video was captured with DV 720 x 480 AVI. I intend to eventually delete the avi’s after obtaining a satisfactory DVD and saving iso files to free up disk space.

 

The multiple titles are to be individual titles on a new DVD. I will consider your recommendation of saving the edits to a VW project.

 

Perhaps since the VHS video was recorded in SP, capture as DV HQ 720 x480, Mpeg-2, 8Mbps or DV SP 352 x 480, Mpeg-2, 4Mbps could be used but I was not sure if either of these would degrade the video quality. If you can comment on this approach please do so. I am at a location that makes it difficult to obtain DVD rw’s to experiment by comparing DV, DV HQ & DV SP qualities.

 

[Jim_Hardin]

myguggi Thanks for the reply.

 

The video was captured with DV 720 x 480 AVI. I intend to eventually delete the avi’s after obtaining a satisfactory DVD and saving iso files to free up disk space.

 

The multiple titles are to be individual titles on a new DVD. I will consider your recommendation of saving the edits to a VW project.

 

Perhaps since the VHS video was recorded in SP, capture as DV HQ 720 x480, Mpeg-2, 8Mbps or DV SP 352 x 480, Mpeg-2, 4Mbps could be used but I was not sure if either of these would degrade the video quality. If you can comment on this approach please do so. I am at a location that makes it difficult to obtain DVD rw’s to experiment by comparing DV, DV HQ & DV SP qualities.

As far as quality… It will never look better than the original but unless you stick to DV or DV HQ for capture and HQ for output to DVD it will look a lot worse!

 

Get a disc or 2 of DVD RW and run some tests yourself.

 

Some subtle differences I have seen, was in a wooden panel in the background.

 

In the DV HQ & LP output you could see it was a brown wooden panel.

 

In the DV & HQ output you could see the grain in the panel!

 

[wljc]

Jim Thanks for the reply.

 

Your first reply sentence I believe sufficiently addresses the quality question. The common factor in DV & DV HQ of 720 x 480 is likely the higher capture quality contributor as I suspected.

 

Unfortunately as you know, HQ for output in some cases just don’t quite have the desired time for some material (> 66 Min. on 4.7 Gb DVD). Options & compromises, in my case DL is not an acceptable solution since one of my DVD players (Panasonic DVD-RV32) will not recognize DVD+R DL ( Memorex or Verbatim) media even after the latest firmware update installation. Which in this case forces the use of two 4.7Gb for longer timed videos or obtaining another replacement player.

 

As suggested using RW media for testing is desirable.

 

[cdanteek]

Jim Thanks for the reply.

 

Your first reply sentence I believe sufficiently addresses the quality question. The common factor in DV & DV HQ of 720 x 480 is likely the higher capture quality contributor as I suspected.

 

Unfortunately as you know, HQ for output in some cases just don’t quite have the desired time for some material (> 66 Min. on 4.7 Gb DVD). Options & compromises, in my case DL is not an acceptable solution since one of my DVD players (Panasonic DVD-RV32) will not recognize DVD+R DL ( Memorex or Verbatim) media even after the latest firmware update installation. Which in this case forces the use of two 4.7Gb for longer timed videos or obtaining another replacement player.

 

As suggested using RW media for testing is desirable.

 

 

Look in device manager and post the ID string for your burners? I might be able to help with the Panasonic DVD-RV32 not recognizing the DVD +R DL disc..

 

 

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[wljc]

cdanteek Thanks for the Reply.

 

Just to be sure, as you probably already know, the Panasonic DVD-RV32 is a stand-alone DVD player not a computer drive.

 

The Drive used in the system is as follows:

 

DVD/CD-ROM Drives

LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1P

 

Driver Provider: Microsoft

Driver Date: 7/1/2001

Driver Version: 5.1.2535.0

 

[grandpabruce]

cdanteek Thanks for the Reply.

 

Just to be sure, as you probably already know, the Panasonic DVD-RV32 is a stand-alone DVD player not a computer drive.

 

The Drive used in the system is as follows:

 

DVD/CD-ROM Drives

LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1P

 

Driver Provider: Microsoft

Driver Date: 7/1/2001

Driver Version: 5.1.2535.0

 

The request for the id string may be to see if the drive (burner) is capable of book type settings so the Panosonic player can be tricked into being able to read the burned DVD.

[cdanteek]

cdanteek Thanks for the Reply.

 

Just to be sure, as you probably already know, the Panasonic DVD-RV32 is a stand-alone DVD player not a computer drive.

 

The Drive used in the system is as follows:

 

DVD/CD-ROM Drives

LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1P

 

Driver Provider: Microsoft

Driver Date: 7/1/2001

Driver Version: 5.1.2535.0

 

 

Your LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1P Supports Bitsetting for DVD+R/RW/DL media to DVD-ROM.

 

Save your project to a image file for DL media.

 

Download # 9 in my signature, the free ImgBurn Current version: 2.5.1.0 CD / DVD / HD DVD / Blu-ray burning application.

 

Now burn your image file with ImgBurn and the Verbatim DVD +R DL media. ImgBurn's default setting is 'Book Type Setting: to DVD-ROM'

 

 

 

cd

 

 

[wljc]

myguggi, Jim Hardin, grandpabruce & cdanteek Thanks for the comments & Inputs above.

 

The iso was already saved as a DL (6,378,112 Kb ISO Image File) media file so I just use it as is.

 

ImgBurn was downloaded and installed.

 

Then ImgBurn was invoked as Mode/ EZ-Mode Picker.

 

Then Selected Write image file to disk, Write Speed 4x, Clicked the write button at the lower left, got a screen that I didn’t know how to proceed correctly, closed it. (At this point I felt like I was in the deep end of the pool with no lifeguard on duty) some how I set the Book Type Setting: DVD-ROM and eventually the burn process started.

 

The iso file was burned and the disk was verified successfully. This Verbatim DVD+R DL was now recognized by the Panasonic DVD-RV32 and seems to function correctly in the player.

 

Obviously I need to get more familiar with ImgBurn to use it correctly. The only thing I changed was the Book Type Setting: DVD-ROM, write speed & I noted that the media ID was detected.

 

Evidently the four bit field (Book Type Field) at the start of the DVD+R is changed to make the DVD look like a DVD-R to the player using this process. Therefore fooling the player to use newer +R media.

 

Thanks Again Guys.

 

[cdanteek]

wljc,

 

Glad it worked out!

 

Your LiteOn Drive is one ImgBurn Default sets Auto Change Book Type for DVD+R/RW/DL media to DVD-ROM.

 

You don't have to do a thing unless you changed a default setting, settings, write tab, Auto Change Book Type, (pic above)

 

Evidently the four bit field (Book Type Field) at the start of the DVD+R is changed to make the DVD look like a DVD-R to the player using this process. Therefore fooling the player to use newer +R media.

 

Not DVD-R, Change Book Type to DVD-ROM, just like a bought commercial DVD...I have a player that needs the adjustment too!

 

If you need any help ImgBurn Support Forum, http://forum.imgburn.com/

 

cd

[wljc]

. cdanteek Thanks for the Reply.

 

I did not change the default setting, settings, write tab, Auto Change Book Type, However the term DVD-ROM was not shown. Believe I went into a drive selection area, selected Lite-On and changed to DVD-ROM there?

I guess you are suggesting no changes (Speed, Book Type Setting) were required and all I needed to do was invoke Write image file to disk.

 

Apparently there is a difference between Change Book Type to DVD-ROM & DVD-R (evidently DVD-ROM backdates reading to the original DVD Specs). My knowledge is weak in this area. Need to do some more research to get a better understanding.

 

Guess I spoke too soon. The ImgBurn Verbatim DVD+R DL now has issues with my Pioneer DVD Player DV-440. The player stops and locks up in one of the titles when playing.

 

However the Pioneer DV-440 plays the original Memorex & Verbatim DL’s burned with VHS to DVD with no issues. Both of these originals (Memorex & Verbatim DL’s) were burned with the same iso file I used with imgburn. Fix one Break the other.