Overlayed Videos Won't Export At Correct Size?

[boxman]

I have a movie with a scene that has three videos (16:9 .MOD native files) edited for trim and audio and overlayed on a background graphic... Plays fine in review mode but when I render this out (.wmv 9.1, 768x432) the movie renders correctly... the overlayed videos playback in correct locations but are compressed to a 4:3 format instead of 16:9 making the scene worthless. Does anyone know a way around this?

 

ps. I have screen shots of the preview and rendered but could not figure out how to post here without putting them on a web page.

[sknis]

I have a movie with a scene that has three videos (16:9 .MOD native files) edited for trim and audio and overlayed on a background graphic... Plays fine in review mode but when I render this out (.wmv 9.1, 768x432) the movie renders correctly... the overlayed videos playback in correct locations but are compressed to a 4:3 format instead of 16:9 making the scene worthless. Does anyone know a way around this?

 

ps. I have screen shots of the preview and rendered but could not figure out how to post here without putting them on a web page.

 

I thought that you were now able to add attachments. You may have found an issue that no one else has found and it may take some time to get an answer.

 

Edit: I can't reproduce your issue. Perhaps if you post more details?

Edited July 6, 2010 by sknis

[ggrussell]

I can duplicate this problem using MOD files as the overlay. The first time I added the MOD files, the overlays were correct. After exporting to WMV, I the MOD files are no longer recognized as 16:9. Even after a restart of VW, the MOD files are not recognized as 16:9.

 

I have no idea what exporting to WMV9 has done, but Videowave no longer recognizes MOD files as 16:9 at ALL! Even if I add the MOD file to the main track.

Edited July 6, 2010 by ggrussell

[boxman]

ok... i tried to insert the image as an http:// image link using the insert image button and got a system message that said format was not accepted...

 

anyway will simply try pasting the link so here is the link that shows the preview screenshot and the rendered screenshot...

 

http://www.boxmanproductions.com/videowave-renderissue1.html

[sknis]

Actually I used HD mp4 files for my test. I did not have any MOD files to play with. Sort of points to the MOD format. Where did you get the original MOD files (which camcorder)?

[boxman]

Actually I used HD mp4 files for my test. I did not have any MOD files to play with. Sort of points to the MOD format. Where did you get the original MOD files (which camcorder)?

 

They are off an SD card taken with a Canon FS100...

I thought SP2 fixed the Canon issue?

[sknis]

They are off an SD card taken with a Canon FS100...

I thought SP2 fixed the Canon issue?

 

Did you use the "Same as Original" setting. I think that was supposed to be the only setting that didn't work properly and was fixed with SP2.

 

Why are you rendering to WMV9? What do you intend to do with the video?

Edited July 6, 2010 by sknis

[boxman]

Did you use the "Same as Original" setting. I think that was supposed to be the only setting that didn't work properly and was fixed with SP2.

 

Why are you rendering to WMV9? What do you intend to do with the video?

 

 

yes have SAO checked...

 

rendering to wmv as it seems to be best for web page viewing...mostly for real estate virtual tours...have been using videowave for about two years now but only with still photos until recently when we started adding full motion video to the tours. Have been rendering in that format since the start.

[boxman]

yes have SAO checked...

 

rendering to wmv as it seems to be best for web page viewing...mostly for real estate virtual tours...have been using videowave for about two years now but only with still photos until recently when we started adding full motion video to the tours. Have been rendering in that format since the start.

 

opps...got confused between Studio and Videowave...just installed a copy of studio the other day and know that option was selected but looking in the videowave production file in question I can't locate an option for SAO? So that may be the problem...can someone tell me where that option is...nothing in help files for it...

[sknis]

opps...got confused between Studio and Videowave...just installed a copy of studio the other day and know that option was selected but looking in the videowave production file in question I can't locate an option for SAO? So that may be the problem...can someone tell me where that option is...nothing in help files for it...

 

Same as original:

[boxman]

Same as original:

 

Thanks for showing that... but that was the first place I looked... my drop down for video file quality does not show a "same as original" option...under all purposes or any of the other options either...

[sknis]

Thanks for showing that... but that was the first place I looked... my drop down for video file quality does not show a "same as original" option...under all purposes or any of the other options either...

 

Did you select 16 by 9 project to begin with? Are you working with HD video? Did you set the first drop down to "all"? If you don't see that, I'm beginning to wonder about the quality of your installation.

[boxman]

Did you select 16 by 9 project to begin with? Are you working with HD video? Did you set the first drop down to "all"? If you don't see that, I'm beginning to wonder about the quality of your installation.

 

yep.. project was started in 16:9...is not HD and yes I selected "all"...

 

purchased C2010 as download from Roxio site and installed per instructions....

 

system info...

 

Operating System System Model Windows Vista Ultimate (x64) Service Pack 2 (build 6002) HP-Pavilion FK791AA-ABA a6650f

System Serial Number: 3CR83206WB

Chassis Serial Number: DM0001

Enclosure Type: Desktop Processor ^a Main Circuit Board ^b 2.20 gigahertz AMD Phenom 9550 Quad-Core

128 kilobyte primary memory cache

512 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: PEGATRON CORPORATION NARRA3 3.02

Serial Number: MS1C87R71400819

Bus Clock: 200 megahertz

BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD 5.14 06/20/2008 Drives Memory Modules ^c,d 500.11 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity

197.78 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

 

CFGTGJK AF05I7C5A SCSI CdRom Device [CD-ROM drive]

TSSTcorp CDDVDW TS-H653Q SCSI CdRom Device [CD-ROM drive]

 

eUSB Compact Flash USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 1

eUSB SD-MS-SM USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 2

Generic- Compact Flash USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 3

Generic- MS/MS-Pro USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 6

Generic- SD/MMC USB Device [Hard drive] (3.96 GB) -- drive 5

Generic- SM/xD-Picture USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 4

Verbatim STORE N GO USB Device [Hard drive] (8.00 GB) -- drive 7

WDC WD50 00AAKS-65A7B SCSI Disk Device (500.11 GB) -- drive 0 6014 Megabytes Installed Memory

 

Slot 'A0' has 2048 MB

Slot 'A1' has 2048 MB

Slot 'A2' has 1024 MB

Slot 'A3' has 1024 MB Local Drive Volumes

 

 

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 487.03 GB 195.99 GB free d: (NTFS on drive 0) 13.08 GB 1.79 GB free Network Drives None detected

Roxio Software Info...

 

Roxio - PhotoShow Uploader Version 6.0.0.830 *

Roxio - PhotoShow Video Version 6.0.0.830 *

Roxio Burn Version 1. 0. 0. 4 *

Roxio Creator Version 4, 5, 0, 0 *

Roxio Creator Version 5.0.0.0 *

Roxio PhotoShow Version 6.0.0.830 *

Sonic Solutions - CinePlayer Version 5.0.3516.2127 *

Sonic Solutions - CommonSDK Version 12.2.1.80 *

Sonic Solutions - CommonSDK Version 8.0.0.47 *

Sonic Solutions - Editors Module Version 10.0.6.84 *

Sonic Solutions - Editors Module Version 8.0.0.47 *

Sonic Solutions - Label Creator Version 10.0.7.13 *

Sonic Solutions - Label Creator Version 12.2.1.92 *

Sonic Solutions - MDBurnManager Version 1.2.0.0 *

Sonic Solutions - MediaCapture Version 11.1.1.51 *

Sonic Solutions - MediaCapture Version 12.2.1.73 *

Sonic Solutions - Roxio Creator Classic Version 10.0.6.97 *

Sonic Solutions - Roxio Creator Classic Version 12.2.1.76 *

Sonic Solutions - Roxio Drive Emulator Version 10.0.6.99 *

Sonic Solutions - Roxio Drive Emulator Version 12.2.1.64 *

Sonic Solutions - Roxio Music Disc Creator Version 11.1.1.51 *

Sonic Solutions - Roxio Music Disc Creator Version 12.2.1.85 *

Sonic Solutions - Roxio Retrieve Version 10.0.6.97 *

Sonic Solutions - Roxio Retrieve Version 12.2.1.76 *

Sonic Solutions - Roxio Sound Editor Version 11.1.1.51 *

Sonic Solutions - Roxio Sound Editor Version 12.2.1.85 *

Sonic Solutions - Roxio Venue Version 2.2.0.0 *

Sonic Solutions - Roxio VideoConvert Version 11.1.0.14 *

Sonic Solutions - Roxio VideoConvert Version 12.2.2.9 *

Sonic Solutions - VideoWave Version 8.0.0.47 *

[boxman]

Okay guys after several tries I have a work around to this video resizing issue when using .MOD native video files. It requires two renderings and the first one (that I shouldn't have to do) takes about 10 times longer than the second.

 

And for some reason the "same as original" option for video file quality doesn't always show in the drop down menu for file quality. I started with a new 16:9 production imported and edited the .MOD files and when I went to export the production this time I did have the save as original option and using the default that came up did produce a full sized 16:9 production in MPEG 2 format with both full frame and overlays viewing correct. This also produced a 49.7MB file size for a 1M:05S production. I then opened a new 16:9 production...imported the MPEG file just completed to the stage and rendered it out in wmv9 758X432 and it did render out correctly to a 6.37MB file. The odd thing is that this time the drop down option box on the video file quality menu doesn't show the "same as original" option. So if I needed to do any additional edits to that production, that involved adding new video, I'm betting that the new stuff would not render out correctly.

 

This workaround is a real time eater and I'm hoping a fix to the issue of correct rendering to the wmv format when using 16:9 format videos will be forthcoming soon and if anyone comes up with a better flow...please let me know!

 

screenshots of dropdowns mentioned above follow...

 

screenshot4 = 1st production - i.e. .MOD native to MPEG2

screenshot = 2nd production - i.e. MPEG2 to WMV9

[ggrussell]

This workaround is a real time eater and I'm hoping a fix to the issue of correct rendering to the wmv format when using 16:9 format videos will be forthcoming soon and if anyone comes up with a better flow...please let me know!

The problem is with the JVC MOD files. Although they are MPEG 2 files, JVC opted to use non-standard format that doesn't have the 16:9 flag embedded like a normal MPEG 2 file.

[boxman]

The problem is with the JVC MOD files. Although they are MPEG 2 files, JVC opted to use non-standard format that doesn't have the 16:9 flag embedded like a normal MPEG 2 file.

 

Does this mean Canon and JVC files are the same? The files I'm dealing with were shot with a canon...

 

So based on recent experience I guessing the remarks in the latest service pack relating to a Canon video file rendering fix are fictious?

[ggrussell]

Depends on the Canon model. Older Canon camcorders that shoots standard definition MPEG 2 to MOD files - yes. The format was probably licensed by Canon from JVC. Some Panasonic camcorders also use MOD.

 

The newer Canons are hidef using HDV or AVCHD file format.

Edited July 8, 2010 by ggrussell

[boxman]

Depends on the Canon model. Older Canon camcorders that shoots standard definition MPEG 2 to MOD files - yes. The format was probably licensed by Canon from JVC. Some Panasonic camcorders also use MOD.

 

The newer Canons are hidef using HDV or AVCHD file format.

 

Jeeze thanks for that Gary... Just what I needed... another reason to go get an HD capable camcorder...now all I have to do is find that other penny so I can start rubbin'...

 

but seriously... Thank you for your help!