Muting Sound From Video Clips

[RockVideoMum]

I find it really annoying that everytime I split a video clip in VideoWave the muting that I have previously set when I first imported the clip is reset and sound is resumed on the new section of the clip. Each clip that have been split have to be individually and manually set to mute again. There is no option to select all the clips and set to mute all at once.

 

Is that correct or have I not discover the trick to do this? Any advice is really appreciated since I have to do this for over 90 tracks!

[bimicher]

The difference between what you are describing in your answer and my complain is that your muting is done on the main clip but I have been doing the splitting on the overlays.

 

 

You did not mention that you were using overlays in your original post

 

Do what Bruce suggested

[RockVideoMum]

Why not bring the video that you want as an overlay, into a new production, do all of your editing, muting, etc., and output it as an .avi?

 

You can then do your production, and bring your newly made .avi into the production, as an overlay.

 

All the video's are already in Avi format. They are live recording of a band performance but done with 3 cameras.

I have to put all the avi into one production at the same time so that I can see which clips I want from each camera.

They have to be done at the same time in one production.

[RockVideoMum]

ok I think I didn't explain myself very well so here goes again.

The original clips from the camera was xvid meg and roxio videowave don't seem to support that. (Quality Excellent)

I converted all the mpeg using factory format to avi (Quality still the same - excellent)

Was able to input the clips into VideoWave and do my editing in stages.

First stage, add the first video footage, then overlay the music track to match the voices drunming etc. For the some of the video, I output this first stage into the HD 1280x720 i mpg format then overlay more video clips from other cameras as overlays to get different effects and angle of the band/solo etc.

I then render the production in the same HD format and sometimes, as orginal as well. (To get two movies for comparing)

So far, the quality of the clips are still very good. I notice that it is not as sharp as the original avi but still very good.

When I finished producing all the mpgs I used DVD creator to create a menu and add the movies in sequence to the DVD.

When I output the project, I also chose the same HD format as before and output that to both and iso file and burn the DVD at the same time.

 

This is when I noticed that the quality had disintegrated awhole lot from when the individual mpgs. I thought then that if I downgrade the ouput to Best Quality DVD, I would get an improved sharpness but it worse results.

 

Which part of the rendering/output process should I revisit to get a the same or nearly the same as when I started? I am scatching my head to figure out where I must have gone wrong with the output etc...

[sknis]

Where is the quality bad? On the DVD or on the ISO file (use VLC player to play the ISO file).

 

How much time do you have on the disc?

 

BTW, the product I was joking about is Scenarist. They don't give prices but do book demonstrations.

[RockVideoMum]

It was bad with the DVD when played on my Laptop with Windows media play or VLC but REALLY bad when play on the Sony TV with my DVD player (also sony....)

 

I just viewed the (two) iso files I have generated - one HD 1080x720i output and the other Best quality DVD and they are sharper than the DVD version. What next?

[ggrussell]

The original clips from the camera was xvid meg and roxio videowave don't seem to support that.

I find that odd. I've used DivX and Xvid in projects with Creator 2010. Are there any short (under 200MB) clips that you could post somewhere so we could try them? YouSendIt or UpforDown are free.

 

Didn't you say these files are from a Sony XDCAM? I checked their site and the formats listed are MPEG 2 hidef and AVCHD. I didn't see Xvid anywhere and I seriously doubt that Sony would use an open source codec. Do you have Media Info? It is an app that can tell exactly what video and audio codec is used in the file.

[RockVideoMum]

haha I think we are going back around in circles now....

 

I have already said earlier in a differnt post that the Camera is a Sony XDCam EX1 model

Media info shows it as MPEG-4 (base Media/Verison 2) XDCAM EX35 87.8MiEncoded

unfortunately I can't paste the image onto this reply....

and YES I did go to the website directed from Media info to get to the Codec and manage to convert them to AVI using Factory format.

 

I converted those to AVi and the media info now shows them as

AVI 13.4MiB MPEG-4 Visual (XviD) and Video wave was able to read these

[ggrussell]

LOL Thanks, I must have gotten confused some where along all the messages. Would still like to have a sample file from the camcorder if possible. Do more research on that codec. Thanks

 

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From what I could find in a short time, The XDCAM codec is distributed with Final Cut Pro. There is, however, a company that sells codec for Windows , but what I found was old 2008 forum messages. I'll keep looking.

[grandpabruce]

All the video's are already in Avi format. They are live recording of a band performance but done with 3 cameras.

I have to put all the avi into one production at the same time so that I can see which clips I want from each camera.

They have to be done at the same time in one production.

 

When you bring your .avi into VideoWave, make your splits, and save your production, that production IS NOT an .avi file. It is a .dmsm file which contains absolutely no video.

 

That is the reason I said to take that production and OUTPUT it as another .avi file. If that won't work for you, then maybe someone else will be able to suggest something that will work for you.

 

Good luck with your production.

[sknis]

Now I know why your "friends" suggested a profesional video editing suite !

[ggrussell]

All the video's are already in Avi format. They are live recording of a band performance but done with 3 cameras.

I have to put all the avi into one production at the same time so that I can see which clips I want from each camera.

They have to be done at the same time in one production.

Unfortunately, Creator 2010 Videowave just isn't up to a job like that. Technically, it 'could' do it, but I think you would end up with much less hair than when you started. LOL

 

Final Cut Pro (isn't it Mac only?) I'm sure is a great application, but you would also have a steep learning curve.

[RockVideoMum]

Unfortunately, Creator 2010 Videowave just isn't up to a job like that. Technically, it 'could' do it, but I think you would end up with much less hair than when you started. LOL

 

Final Cut Pro (isn't it Mac only?) I'm sure is a great application, but you would also have a steep learning curve.

 

Sound muting asdie, I have finished the video production last night and reviewed the all the movies. Pretty happy with the the edited results but I am dissapointed with the actual rendered output. I tried to output each movie as a HD1080i resolution but it doesn't come out as clear and high res as the original avi clips I started with (1080x720 avi). I then tried using Best quality DVD option and although the result looked a littel better on my laptop display, it was quite blurry when the DVD was played on my Sony Bravia TV. Still viewable but not as good as the quality of image from the original files.

 

Any suggestions as to how I can get a better rendered resolution that would play both on a standard DVD player/TV as well as a HD TV?

[sknis]

Sound muting asdie, I have finished the video production last night and reviewed the all the movies. Pretty happy with the the edited results but I am dissapointed with the actual rendered output. I tried to output each movie as a HD1080i resolution but it doesn't come out as clear and high res as the original avi clips I started with (1080x720 avi). I then tried using Best quality DVD option and although the result looked a littel better on my laptop display, it was quite blurry when the DVD was played on my Sony Bravia TV. Still viewable but not as good as the quality of image from the original files.

 

Any suggestions as to how I can get a better rendered resolution that would play both on a standard DVD player/TV as well as a HD TV?

 

What DVD player are you using to play the DVD? If you are using a standard definition format DVD, the resolution is reduced to 720 by 480. You need blu-ray to get more than that.

[RockVideoMum]

What DVD player are you using to play the DVD? If you are using a standard definition format DVD, the resolution is reduced to 720 by 480. You need blu-ray to get more than that.

 

This is not the first time I am rendering the output as 1080i or as DVD hig quality standard though. I have done so in the past and played it on a standard DVd player attached to a HD LCD Tv and it works well. The trouble with outputing it as bluray or HD is that not everyone has a bluray player....I have also tried choosing Same as original but still the output resolution is still reduce.

 

Is there something I need to do when I add the movie clips to the production initially apart from choosing wide screen 16:9 ? I thought it is only when you output the movie after editing it (videowate ) that gives you the option of the output format....

 

 

BTW, Really appreciating all this feedback and advice though. That is the ONE THING that kept me with the Roxio product. Can't find a similar support network with Sony Vegas or Power Director (used both product it in the past)! Does Roxio produce a higher level editor ?

[bimicher]

I find it really annoying that everytime I split a video clip in VideoWave the muting that I have previously set when I first imported the clip is reset and sound is resumed on the new section of the clip. Each clip that have been split have to be individually and manually set to mute again. There is no option to select all the clips and set to mute all at once.

 

Is that correct or have I not discover the trick to do this? Any advice is really appreciated since I have to do this for over 90 tracks!

 

I cannot duplicate what you are describing.

 

I launch Videowave and add a video clip. I then muted the sound for the whole clip. Then split the video into various segments. All segments are still muted. I then unmuted some segments and when played, the audio switched from muted to unmuted at the correct locations.

 

Perhaps if you described, step-by-step, what you are doing, we can help you discover "the trick"

[sknis]

This is not the first time I am rendering the output as 1080i or as DVD hig quality standard though. I have done so in the past and played it on a standard DVd player attached to a HD LCD Tv and it works well. The trouble with outputing it as bluray or HD is that not everyone has a bluray player....I have also tried choosing Same as original but still the output resolution is still reduce.

 

Is there something I need to do when I add the movie clips to the production initially apart from choosing wide screen 16:9 ? I thought it is only when you output the movie after editing it (videowate ) that gives you the option of the output format....

 

 

BTW, Really appreciating all this feedback and advice though. That is the ONE THING that kept me with the Roxio product. Can't find a similar support network with Sony Vegas or Power Director (used both product it in the past)! Does Roxio produce a higher level editor ?

 

MUM, you can't fool mother nature. A standard DVD will be either standard definition at 720 by 480 or it is going to be high definition (a bunch of options with 720 or 1080 as the second number. Those resolutions requires a blu-ray player. It can be an AVCHD disc that you can make with the equipment you now have or a blu-ray disc that requires a blu-ray burner, blu-ray discs, and a blu-ray player.

 

You may be outputting the edited video as higher definition but in order for a standard DVD, it will be rendered down to a mpg2 file with 720 by 480 resolution.

 

Yes, Roxio sells a higher priced product but if you have to ask the price, you can't afford it!

[RockVideoMum]

MUM, you can't fool mother nature. A standard DVD will be either standard definition at 720 by 480 or it is going to be high definition (a bunch of options with 720 or 1080 as the second number. Those resolutions requires a blu-ray player. It can be an AVCHD disc that you can make with the equipment you now have or a blu-ray disc that requires a blu-ray burner, blu-ray discs, and a blu-ray player.

 

You may be outputting the edited video as higher definition but in order for a standard DVD, it will be rendered down to a mpg2 file with 720 by 480 resolution.

 

Yes, Roxio sells a higher priced product but if you have to ask the price, you can't afford it!

 

OK I hear what you are saying but when you output a higher resolution to a standard DVD as mpg shouldn't it at least keep the sharpness of the display not make it worst? What would you suggest I do to get the best resolution when output to standard DVD format when the input files are all 1080x720 avi(s)?

 

Just for interest sake, what is next level up from Roxio Creator 2010 pro and humour me with the price ...

[ggrussell]

Sure it was 1280x720? Which by the way, you should NOT output to 1080i because you are stretching the pixels and that would look bad. Since this is a music video, I'm sure it only about 5min or so. When you output to DVD or MPEG 2 at HQ, that is the best quality.

 

There are several more advanced video editors on the market for under $99. Google is your friend.

[RockVideoMum]

Sure it was 1280x720? Which by the way, you should NOT output to 1080i because you are stretching the pixels and that would look bad. Since this is a music video, I'm sure it only about 5min or so. When you output to DVD or MPEG 2 at HQ, that is the best quality.

 

There are several more advanced video editors on the market for under $99. Google is your friend.

Yeah pretty certain. I got that info from Info Media. (1280x720) 192kbs. I played the mpg files with Windows Media Player and they looked decent but after I burned them onto a DVD using DVD creator the quality of the video seem to have deteriorated both in Windows Media player and when played on the DVD player. So I suspect it is the DVD project settings that is changing the quality.

 

Yes. did a quick google on editing software and found that XVID is not supported on some software ....as expected, that is why I had to convert the raw MPGE files from the sony xdcam to AVI before VideoWave can read them.

 

I am learning heaps.....

[RockVideoMum]

LOL Thanks, I must have gotten confused some where along all the messages. Would still like to have a sample file from the camcorder if possible. Do more research on that codec. Thanks

 

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From what I could find in a short time, The XDCAM codec is distributed with Final Cut Pro. There is, however, a company that sells codec for Windows , but what I found was old 2008 forum messages. I'll keep looking.

Like I said earlier....:-) the codec for the original files are not important for this project any longer because I did manage to find the codec that Factory Format can recognise and converted them to AVI with no loss of quality. There is something that happened in the stages of my editing that had caused the degradation in quality and I suspect it is a either the output format of each mpg file that I used for each stage or most probabably in the final output to dvd stage. I will have to go back to each project stage and review the different quality to trace where it started to go bad I guess. I was just hoping that someone might have come across a similar issue and be able to say Eureka!

[ggrussell]

You wrote 1080x720 in the post above. That's why I asked.

DVD = 720x480

Hidef = 1280x 720 or 1920x1080

 

You had the resolution in the middle. You can down convert and still have good quality, but you can't UP convert without affecting the quality because the pixels will be stretched or 'filled in'. As a general rule, I don't up convert unless absolutely necessary.

 

Too bad they didn't just let you capture directly from the camera. Reading the Sony website on XDCAM camcorders, I didn't see any reason why it wouldn't work on a PC. The two less expensive models ($7000 & $9000) both use MPEG hidef file formats which should be no problem.

 

I suspect your quality problem could be from the Xvid conversion.

[sknis]

Just to check. When you went to burn the ISO or directly to a disc, in Create DVD (My DVD) did you select HQ (High Quality) or "fit to disc." Gary suggested this but I didn't see your response.

 

It is a bit rate isse; not a resolution issue.

[RockVideoMum]

I cannot duplicate what you are describing.

 

I launch Videowave and add a video clip. I then muted the sound for the whole clip. Then split the video into various segments. All segments are still muted. I then unmuted some segments and when played, the audio switched from muted to unmuted at the correct locations.

 

Perhaps if you described, step-by-step, what you are doing, we can help you discover "the trick"

 

The difference between what you are describing in your answer and my complain is that your muting is done on the main clip but I have been doing the splitting on the overlays.

 

Here is typically what I am doing now...

 

I launch Videowave, load a video file, add music to the music track, sync the video to the sound then mute the video clip.

I then add another video as an overlay ( I only want certain sections of this clip).

I select the whole overlay and mute the sound for the whole clip and other options like fading, etc...

I then glide through the video and split out the sections I don't want. This is where is gets frustrating because whenever I split the clip, the sound is unmuted for the next clip on the 'forward' side (hope you know what I mean).

I have to select the clip and do the muting again. This happens again the next time I split another clip.

 

The annoying thing is that sometimes, I need to split several clips as I look through and forget to check the muting...it mucks up the video with overlapping sound as you discover AFTER you have complied the video!

 

Have you got some tricks for me to make this easier ?

[grandpabruce]

The difference between what you are describing in your answer and my complain is that your muting is done on the main clip but I have been doing the splitting on the overlays.

 

Here is typically what I am doing now...

 

I launch Videowave, load a video file, add music to the music track, sync the video to the sound then mute the video clip.

I then add another video as an overlay ( I only want certain sections of this clip).

I select the whole overlay and mute the sound for the whole clip and other options like fading, etc...

I then glide through the video and split out the sections I don't want. This is where is gets frustrating because whenever I split the clip, the sound is unmuted for the next clip on the 'forward' side (hope you know what I mean).

I have to select the clip and do the muting again. This happens again the next time I split another clip.

 

The annoying thing is that sometimes, I need to split several clips as I look through and forget to check the muting...it mucks up the video with overlapping sound as you discover AFTER you have complied the video!

 

Have you got some tricks for me to make this easier ?

 

Why not bring the video that you want as an overlay, into a new production, do all of your editing, muting, etc., and output it as an .avi?

 

You can then do your production, and bring your newly made .avi into the production, as an overlay.