Hd-Dvd

[darthken]

Is there software out there that still supports the playing of HD-DVDs from HD-DVD drives? Roxio claims their HD/Blu-Ray player plugin for Creator 2010 will do the trick but I haven't had any success. Cineplayer still won't recognize the High Def DVDs when inserted. The plug-in will let Cineplayer recognize normal DVDs and Blu-Ray discs but of course multiple (free) programs will do that as well.

[Flying Kiwi]

Despite HD-DVD production ceasing late in 2008, there are still many new HD-DVDs out there today and they are being sold at prices that are significantly less than Blu-Ray movies. A quick check on eBay or similar will reveal loads of HD-DVDs for sale (9,603 results this morning), many of which are still new and in their shrink wrapping. Just because Blu-Ray won the format war does not mean that HD-DVDs suddenly no longer exist. My combo drive (that plays all these media types) was bought 3 months before Windows 7 came out (and I'm sure both myself and the OP aren't the only ones wanting to use the HD-DVD playback function in such drives, what about all those with Microsoft X Box HD-DVD players or other PC based HD-DVD/combo drives)? It's not reasonable to expect those with such equipment to have to run Vista or below (even then though some products alledged to suppord HD-DVD under Vista, have issues with it). This PC has run Win 7 from the outset, initially the release candidate and the RTM as soon as it came to market. I have Vista on my work supplied laptop and there's no way that I'd let that OS go anywhere near this PC

 

HD-DVD playback is a feature that is being requested by customers willing to pay for the reasonable costs of including this already mature/developed code in their purchase price. If Roxio doesn't believe that then please perform some market reasearch. If risk reduction is the name of the game then consider making HD-DVD playback a plugin or decoder which is seperate but can be added on along with Blu-Ray and licence the code on a per sale basis. If Roxio includes this functionality, it'll make the Cineplayer products buyable for many customers who otherwise wouldn't go for it. This is because the product will be distinguished from the more common products out there that don't have HD-DVD support (any more). Certainly HD-DVD playback is a declining market and I can see that support under Windows 8 will be a no-go but it's far to soon to close that door and give up on HD-DVD already. As long as it's being asked for and there's a chance to make more profit by including this functionality, companies such as Roxio should be looking to meet our needs.

[Brendon]

Flying Kiwi,kia ora.

 

You're talking into the wind. This board is populated by Roxio software customers, not staff. If you want to influence company policy you should be speaking to the sales staff at roxio.com

 

Cheers,

Brendon

[Flying Kiwi]

Flying Kiwi,kia ora.

Greetings Brendon, I'm based in England now but I did live briefly in Christchurch before moving here. I still remember thats a traditional Maori greeting and you're not swearing at me

 

Although Roxio may not officially reply directly here (haven't been around long enough to see that happen), I've no doubt that staff or people who influence staff will frequent here and the messages will be passed on. I've asked in the General chat forum for a forum dedicated to Player software so hopefully there'll be a dedicated Cineplayer/decoder forum soon where such posts can rightly go.

 

Yes direct contact with management is also another way to get the ball rolling.

[gi7omy]

Unfortunately the chances of a now obsolete variant being supplied are slender to none.

 

You can buy a lot of betamax stuff still - but try asking one of the VCR makers to produce a machine to handle it and guess at their response.

 

The reason the HD discs being sold cheaply is the market is dwindling and not liable to improve. Even WB (if you read my earlier post) is running an exchange system in the US for people with HD to swap them for Blu-Ray

[sknis]

Is there software out there that still supports the playing of HD-DVDs from HD-DVD drives? Roxio claims their HD/Blu-Ray player plugin for Creator 2010 will do the trick but I haven't had any success. Cineplayer still won't recognize the High Def DVDs when inserted. The plug-in will let Cineplayer recognize normal DVDs and Blu-Ray discs but of course multiple (free) programs will do that as well.

 

Are you talking about the old, obsolete completitor to Blu-Ray? No it won't work. You may want to Google for some softwareand then find it on e-bay or similar.

Then you have to look for a DVD drive that will play the format.

[Jim_Hardin]

I have never seen any Commercial HD DVD’s anywhere… If I can pick one up at a flea market, I will, just so I can have one…

 

Since I cannot actually test any of this, please bear with me.

 

Creator 2010 can create an AVCHD on DVD which as I understand it, is the same thing as a HD DVD???

 

The stock (included) CinePlayer will play these without any plug-in from any DVD ROM or Burner. (should have the AVCHD logo

 

There are 2 Creator BD plug-ins:

 

The Roxio Creator 2010 High-Def/Blu-ray Disc Plug-in only allows you to make Blu-ray disc projects and burn them on Blu-ray discs! (must have a Blu-ray Burner) You cannot view a BD disc because it does not alter CinePlayer!

 

And the Roxio Creator 2010 Blu-ray Playback Plug-in. This can be applied to any 2010 CinePlayer version and allows you to view BD discs, provided you have a BD ROM or Burner!

 

But that is only for Blu-ray and AVCHD does not need it, with one possible exception… The Roxio 2010 PLUS version!

 

This version does not have the AVCHD ability in it, so I assume, it doesn’t have it in CinePlayer as well…

 

From there it would be nice if you tell us What version of 2010 you have???

 

If you look at CinePlayer, does the AVCHD logo show up?

 

If so, can you make a quick AVCHD project in MyDVD and burn it to a DVD RW so you can test it out in CinePlayer???

[Flying Kiwi]

Unfortunately the chances of a now obsolete variant being supplied are slender to none.

There's nothing obsolete variantish about HD-DVDs and they're far superior to plain old DVDs. HD-DVDs are no longer in production but they're far from old hat at this stage. The problem is that some of the big players making the players assumed that the moment it was clear Blu-Ray had won the format war, there would be no demand at all for player software capable of handling the competing format rather than leaving it until stocks of new/unopened HD-DVD movies had run very low.

 

You can buy a lot of betamax stuff still - but try asking one of the VCR makers to produce a machine to handle it and guess at their response.

Thats an extreme example you've raised, you're talking about something effectively discontinued over 20 years ago. I've already stated I think it's reasonable for Windows 8 to not be supported by HD-DVD player software and that'll be alot sooner than that. Secondly, the code for HD-DVD playback is already mature and it's a heck of a lot easier and quicker and therefore cheaper to include a section of code into a software product than incorporating mechanical adaptations and additional electronic cicuitry as would be required to make a dual format video recorder. You just can't realistically compare the two.

 

The reason the HD discs being sold cheaply is the market is dwindling and not liable to improve. Even WB (if you read my earlier post) is running an exchange system in the US for people with HD to swap them for Blu-Ray

The reason needn't come into this because it's a fact there are loads of HD-DVDs still out there for sale. The fact it's a couple of years after they stopped being produced tells me this source is unlikely to dry up overnight - maybe in the next few years before Windows 8 comes along but that's still plenty of time for an on the ball software publisher to make some money out of it. My point is that there are plenty left and they're going (generally speaking) very cheap compared to Blu-Ray. None of the exchange programs are free and they are far from worldwide. The idea of swapping one shiny silver disk for another of a different type is also environmentally 'inconsiderate' to put it lightly.

 

Given this is supposedly a forum for customers of Roxio and not staff I'm surprised more people here aren't happy and supportive about my request. It's no skin off anyones back afterall if Roxio do develop such a product (which I've already stated could be paid for in a way that minimises risk for the software publisher). It's clear there is a need that will continue to be there for a few years more, the question is will Roxio try to meet that customer demand.

[ggrussell]

The reason needn't come into this because it's a fact there are loads of HD-DVDs still out there for sale.

IF the demand was so great, I'm sure the industry in general would still be supporting the format. But I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting. Personally, I was pulling for HD DVD because it had better backward compatibility, but Bluray won and not much we can do. I'mstill waiting for Bluray burners and discs to drop in price.

[bimicher]

There's nothing obsolete variantish about HD-DVDs and they're far superior to plain old DVDs. HD-DVDs are no longer in production but they're far from old hat at this stage. The problem is that some of the big players making the players assumed that the moment it was clear Blu-Ray had won the format war, there would be no demand at all for player software capable of handling the competing format rather than leaving it until stocks of new/unopened HD-DVD movies had run very low.

 

Thats an extreme example you've raised, you're talking about something effectively discontinued over 20 years ago. I've already stated I think it's reasonable for Windows 8 to not be supported by HD-DVD player software and that'll be alot sooner than that. Secondly, the code for HD-DVD playback is already mature and it's a heck of a lot easier and quicker and therefore cheaper to include a section of code into a software product than incorporating mechanical adaptations and additional electronic cicuitry as would be required to make a dual format video recorder. You just can't realistically compare the two.

 

The reason needn't come into this because it's a fact there are loads of HD-DVDs still out there for sale. The fact it's a couple of years after they stopped being produced tells me this source is unlikely to dry up overnight - maybe in the next few years before Windows 8 comes along but that's still plenty of time for an on the ball software publisher to make some money out of it. My point is that there are plenty left and they're going (generally speaking) very cheap compared to Blu-Ray. None of the exchange programs are free and they are far from worldwide. The idea of swapping one shiny silver disk for another of a different type is also environmentally 'inconsiderate' to put it lightly.

 

Given this is supposedly a forum for customers of Roxio and not staff I'm surprised more people here aren't happy and supportive about my request. It's no skin off anyones back afterall if Roxio do develop such a product (which I've already stated could be paid for in a way that minimises risk for the software publisher). It's clear there is a need that will continue to be there for a few years more, the question is will Roxio try to meet that customer demand.

 

I am not surprised that no one is supportive or interested, after all it never really got started or became widespread before it was trashed. I so no need for it at all and neither do most companies I would think. Why invest in an dead, obsolete product.

[Flying Kiwi]

I have never seen any Commercial HD DVD’s anywhere… If I can pick one up at a flea market, I will, just so I can have one…

That'd be a great idea because (even new still shrink wrapped) HD-DVDs are generally considerably cheaper than the Blu-Ray equivalents on eBay etc. I have a LG GGC-H20L drive which plays back DVDs, HD-DVDs and Blu-Ray (as well as burning to DVD) I have several HD-DVDs which I'd like to be able to play but unfortunately the free software which came with the drive doesn't work for HD-DVDs under Windows 7 - I've checked (Vista is the latest supported OS and it's just no-go even though it installs under Windows 7, it'll only play DVDs and Blu-Ray). The software manufacturer doesn't seem to be interested in correcting the problem, even though I bought it new around 3 months before Win 7 was released officially. I am therefore stuck for finding a simple, inexpensive player that copes with all my playback requirements and works within Windows 7.

 

I see that Roxio has made 'decoders' for DVD playback under Vista and Win XP - why not have something similar for Blu-Ray and HD-DVD under Win 7? I'd bet such a product would be incredibly popular with those who want to keep things simple and inexpensive with a player utilising Windows Media Centre. No hassels with remote controls or additonal media display/control hardware (eg Soundgraph LCD screens that display whats going on in Media Centre, as built into some cases) not being supported as 'Windows 7 Media Centre compatibility' will automatically mean copmpatibility with these things.

 

Sorry if this is better placed in another forum but I couldn't find a dedicated forum for Cineplayer/Cineplayer BD - perhaps the moderator(s) will address that and create a new forum for this new product???

 

Oh and

 

Are you talking about the old, obsolete completitor to Blu-Ray? No it won't work. You may want to Google for some softwareand then find it on e-bay or similar.

Then you have to look for a DVD drive that will play the format.

No I think they may be referring to the considerably cheaper media format that is still available to buy new these days, albeit from limited sources. Media which can be played back in drives which were still commonly available to buy new until around a year ago. It's not that I'm a member of the HD-DVD promotion committee or anything but please be more considerate for those who have HD-DVDs and need such a solution (which isn't offered by Google)!

[gi7omy]

Neal you still don't get the point. HD is now classed as 'obsolete' - sure there are people selling HD discs but that doesn't mean it's being supported any longer.

 

It has been dropped by the studios and anyone else - there are no new movies being released in that format. The time duration since it was dropped is irrelevant - it IS dropped and no-one is supporting it or trying to revive it (hence the betamax example). Whether or not it's superior to Blu-Ray isn't the case at issue. The Philips 2000 VCR system was the best VCR system going - but lost out (along with Betamax) to VHS

 

HD is gone - as are Laserdiscs and other formats

[cdanteek]

Have either of you tried the FREE VideoLan VLC Media Player? http://www.videolan....ad-windows.html

 

Probably won't play the disc like CinePlayer or PowerDVD would, you might have to snoop around the HDDVD_ts Folder...

 

[Flying Kiwi]

I am not surprised that no one is supportive or interested, after all it never really got started or became widespread before it was trashed.

So you've not heard of the HD-DVD player that hooks up to Microsofts X Box? You've never heard of the numerous Super Multi Blue multiformat optical drives that LG produced for more than a year (not to mention similar products made by other manufacturers)? Lets not forget the OP who started this thread here. I've seen many similar posts in other forums/online locations. I wonder when the new Cineplayer forum here will be going up so such requests can be more easily made and clearly identified by others?

 

I so no need for it at all and neither do most companies I would think.

Let me guess, you're not one of those thousands (millions?) who managerd to buy such a drive while they were still new? Just because it doesn't matter for you, it doesn't mean thats the same for everyone. All of those with such drives, will prefer to take full advantage of all of the features. My point about it being no skin of anyones back is a significant one. Where is the harm in manufacturers releasing such a product as long as the costs of adding the extra HD-DVD functionality is charged for? Those who don't want it, don't get it or have to pay for it, the rest get their needs met and Roxio sells some more products and has happy customers. It's not as if they have to reinvent the wheel or anything.

 

Why invest in an dead, obsolete product.

Over 9000 undead HD-DVDs for sale on eBay (not to mention those still in shops etc) any many combo drives still in use (at least for the next few years until they wear out) would challenge that view.

 

Oh and HD (aside from HD-DVD) is also still alive and kicking - just look at Roxios Cineplayer website which extols the HD capabilities of its Blu-Ray player. We're talking about two different ways of achieving that HD experience and I want the second method implemented as well.

[cdanteek]

So you've not heard of the HD-DVD player that hooks up to Microsofts X Box? You've never heard of the numerous Super Multi Blue multiformat optical drives that LG produced for more than a year (not to mention similar products made by other manufacturers)? Lets not forget the OP who started this thread here. I've seen many similar posts in other forums/online locations. I wonder when the new Cineplayer forum here will be going up so such requests can be more easily made and clearly identified by others?

 

Let me guess, you're not one of those thousands (millions?) who managerd to buy such a drive while they were still new? Just because it doesn't matter for you, it doesn't mean thats the same for everyone. All of those with such drives, will prefer to take full advantage of all of the features. My point about it being no skin of anyones back is a significant one. Where is the harm in manufacturers releasing such a product as long as the costs of adding the extra HD-DVD functionality is charged for? Those who don't want it, don't get it or have to pay for it, the rest get their needs met and Roxio sells some more products and has happy customers. It's not as if they have to reinvent the wheel or anything.

 

Over 9000 undead HD-DVDs for sale on eBay (not to mention those still in shops etc) any many combo drives still in use (at least for the next few years until they wear out) would challenge that view.

 

Oh and HD (aside from HD-DVD) is also still alive and kicking - just look at Roxios Cineplayer website which extols the HD capabilities of its Blu-Ray player. We're talking about two different ways of achieving that HD experience and I want the second method implemented as well.

 

Look closely on eBay they are the same titles over and over...

 

In January 2008 Toshiba announced that close to one million dedicated HD DVD players had been sold.^[34]

 

As of June 24, 2008, 475 HD DVD titles had been released in the USA.^[35] As of April 29, 2008, 236 HD DVD titles had been released in Japan.^[36]

 

 

[edit] Decline

On January 4, 2008, citing consumer confusion and indifference as a reason for lackluster high-definition software sales, Warner Bros. announced it would stop supporting HD DVD by June 2008, and the company would release HD titles only on Blu-ray Disc.^[37] This was followed by news of Netflix phasing out support for the format, and Best Buy's decision to recommend Blu-ray Disc over HD DVD in its retail locations and to remove HD DVD players as part of its ongoing "HDTV advantage" promotion. Finally, retailer Wal-Mart announced that it would be supporting only Blu-ray by June 2008. On February 19, 2008, Toshiba announced plans to discontinue development, marketing and manufacturing of HD DVD players while still providing product support and after-sale service to consumers of the format (including Firmware updates). The company cited "recent major changes in the market".^[22] Shipments of HD DVD machines to retailers were reduced and eventually stopped by the end of March 2008.^[38]

 

 

[edit] End of releases

The final HD DVD releases in the United States from a major studio were Warner's P.S. I Love You and Twister, on May 27, 2008. In June, the final HD DVD to be released was Freedom: 6 from Bandai Visual. Disco Pigs was, however, postponed, with no new date announced for release.^[39] Bandai Visual acknowledges the demise of HD DVD, but says that it wants to complete the release of the seven-part Freedom Project of which six parts have already been released as of June 2008^[update].^[40] The seventh part, due for August 2008, never saw a release.

 

The last known HD DVD release worldwide was Death Proof, released by Senator Films in Germany on December 15, 2008. This special release was also a steelbook.^[41]

 

On April 3, 2010, tech blog site Engadget reported that Anthem films would be releasing their film Deadlands 2: Trapped on HD DVD in a limited run of 500 copies. This eventually happened in the form of an HD DVD-R.^[42]

 

http://en.wikipedia....es_developments

[gi7omy]

Another alternative is this (codecs for just about everything you can think of and it does include its own player as well)

 

http://www.free-codecs.com/download/k_lite_mega_codec_pack.htm

[gi7omy]

Neal

 

There are 35,000 entries for Laserdisc on eBay - does that mean it should still be supported?

 

Please understand - HD is defunct. The fact that people are unloading it on eBay isn't relevant - they're also unloading Laserdiscs

[Flying Kiwi]

IF the demand was so great, I'm sure the industry in general would still be supporting the format.

Normally I'd agree with that line of reasoning but the fact that another (major/influential) player in the player market had HD-DVD all up and running in a Beta version of their software but then suddenly went to the trouble of removing that code before releasing the retail version of the product doesn't exactly fill me with confidence that there's been no outside 'influence' from those who would stand to gain to try and eliminate all traces of HD-DVD. That company reportedly received a great deal of dissatisfied customers as a result.

 

Given that HD-DVD functionality in the Beta was reported to be fine, I'm struggling to think of legitimate reasons why a company would waste that development time and expense. I'd like to think that the natural laws of supply matching demand would apply, lets see if Roxio will give that a shot.

[Flying Kiwi]

Look closely on eBay they are the same titles over and over...

And not even all 475 of the US released titles either but thats still over 9000 potential HD-DVDs for sale and many of them are desirable titles (IMO) - thats my point. If you thought I meant 90000 different titles, that's not what I intended to come across.

 

Aside from the fact it came out before CDs so it's ancient, Laserdisc is not a format that relies on Player software to produce HD video at the same great quality as HD-DVD (or Blu-Ray) so no, it shouldn't be supported by Roxio.

[bimicher]

Normally I'd agree with that line of reasoning but the fact that another (major/influential) player in the player market had HD-DVD all up and running in a Beta version of their software but then suddenly went to the trouble of removing that code before releasing the retail version of the product doesn't exactly fill me with confidence that there's been no outside 'influence' from those who would stand to gain to try and eliminate all traces of HD-DVD. That company reportedly received a great deal of dissatisfied customers as a result.

 

Given that HD-DVD functionality in the Beta was reported to be fine, I'm struggling to think of legitimate reasons why a company would waste that development time and expense. I'd like to think that the natural laws of supply matching demand would apply, lets see if Roxio will give that a shot.

 

 

The last statement in your post sums it up: the law of supply and demand is at work and there is simply no demand for the HD-DVD. It's dead and buried. You are just "tilting at windmills"!

[Flying Kiwi]

The last statement in your post sums it up: the law of supply and demand is at work and there is simply no demand for the HD-DVD.

How do you figure that out from my statement. The manufacturer had already done the work, if they felt there would be no demand for it, wouldn't it have made sense to not include the code from scratch (ie not even bother including it in a Beta version)? Since they'd already developed the code, there would have been no harm done by leaving it in and many additional customers would have been satisfied.

 

I think we need to hear from a moderator here (someone who is authorised by Roxio to moderate the forums). Do these exist or are the Digital Gurus expected to put across Roxios view? A forum like this can't be expected to run unmoderated so who is there for that purpose?

[Flying Kiwi]

Thanks for the reply folks. In the past I have fiddled around with (and succeeded) playing back the files on my HD-DVDs using a combination of Slysoft Any-DVD trial, various freebie codec packs and Classic Media Player. The problem with this method, as cdanteek pointed out is that it's not a perfectly user frindly experience. I also had some problems getting compatibility with my Intel G45 Integrated Graphics. I have no problem with the price for this method but I'm perfectly happy to pay for a purpose made package that does all of this for me - ideally within Windows 7 Media Centre.

 

Now that PowerDVD no longer comes with HD-DVD support and Arcsofts offering is far more expensive than Cineplayer BD or the Roxio Decoder packs, I'm dependent on Roxio to come up with the goods on this one. they are ideally placed in the market based on past products/involvement with Microsoft producing code for within Windows, to come up with a slim and inexpensive solution thats very user friendly (and Intel G45 compatible). Whadaya say about this Roxio? Any news from the mod(s) on a dedicated Cineplayer/Cineplayer BD forum here as well? I suspect there haven't been many posts here asking for this because it's not obvious where to post regarding Cineplayer/decoder packs but theres definitely demand for such a product.

[cdanteek]

Flying Kiwi,

 

I doubt anyone will spend a dime on HD DVD!

 

It lost the format war, where have you been?

 

Find and use old software, if that requires a legacy OS that's what you'll have to do...

[gi7omy]

From Wiki on the subject

 

End of releases

 

The final HD DVD releases in the United States from a major studio were Warner's P.S. I Love You and Twister, on May 27, 2008. In June, the final HD DVD to be released was Freedom: 6 from Bandai Visual. Disco Pigs was, however, postponed, with no new date announced for release. Bandai Visual acknowledges the demise of HD DVD, but says that it wants to complete the release of the seven-part Freedom Project of which six parts have already been released as of June 2008[update]. The seventh part, due for August 2008, never saw a release.

 

The last known HD DVD release worldwide was Death Proof, released by Senator Films in Germany on December 15, 2008. This special release was also a steelbook.

 

On April 3, 2010, tech blog site Engadget reported that Anthem films would be releasing their film Deadlands 2: Trapped on HD DVD in a limited run of 500 copies. This eventually happened in the form of an HD DVD-R.

 

Warner providing Blu-ray replacements in the US

 

As of mid-2009, Warner, through its Red2Blu.com site, is offering to replace any HD DVD Warner home video release with a Blu-ray equivalent for US$4.95 each plus US$6.95 shipping to the continental United States or $8.95 to Alaska, Hawaii or Puerto Rico. The deal requires that the HD DVD's original sleeve art be returned to Warner as a proof of purchase. As of August 2009, the turn-around time for processing is approximately two weeks. Multi-disc sets are exchangeable at a discount, e.g. $14.95 for the 5-disc Blade Runner release, rather than $24.75. No exchanges are offered to customers outside of the US.

[grandpabruce]

How do you figure that out from my statement. The manufacturer had already done the work, if they felt there would be no demand for it, wouldn't it have made sense to not include the code from scratch (ie not even bother including it in a Beta version)? Since they'd already developed the code, there would have been no harm done by leaving it in and many additional customers would have been satisfied.

 

I think we need to hear from a moderator here (someone who is authorised by Roxio to moderate the forums). Do these exist or are the Digital Gurus expected to put across Roxios view? A forum like this can't be expected to run unmoderated so who is there for that purpose?

 

I don't think that any of them are trying to put across any Roxio view. From what I have seen, they are merely telling you that you are beating a dead horse, and you are SOL.

[gi7omy]

Now this is from the Nero Forum

Being new to HD video I’ve been looking for a couple of days now to find a suitable program. And the information I have found so far was very confusing for me (as a newbie).

 

 

 

In the passing days I have used the following trial versions:

 

Elecard Converter

 

imTOO DVD Creator

 

iSkysoft Video Convertor

 

Emicsoft M2TS to VOB Convertor

 

Movavi Video Converter

 

 

 

All these programs say they can make HD Video. And that is true. But that is not VOB, that is ACHDV.

 

None of them are able to make 1080 files that can be burned as 1080 on a normal DVD and played on a normal DVD player. And Nero also can't, so it is no use to do the trial version.

 

Just as I was afraid of, it is not possible. The message is: stick to 720 or get Blue Ray