Bluray 3D Playback In Analglyph?

[whisper1980]

I was thinking about purchasing a bluray drive for my PC and was wondering if it is possible to playback retail Bluray 3D DVD titles on my computer, converting Real3D into analglyph on-the-fly via Roxio Creator 2011? I have a small 3D TV already, but am really interested in piping the video output from my computer to an HD projector. I realize red/cyan is nowhere near the quality of Readl3D, but might be suitable in certain circumstances for me. Of course a standalone 3D DVD player that could do this would be optimum, but I haven't seen that either, and the info on the Roxio site about Bluray 3D movie titles being able to be played back in Red/cyan is not clear.

 

Thanks for any info on this!

[whisper1980]

If it's possible, connect the external drive via firewire or eSATA for a better transfer rate. That could be the reason for the glitching

 

The drive is USB 2.0 only. However, I tested the USB throughput using HD Tune and an external hardrive, and the rear USB throughput was 32MB/sec (front USB port was slightly slower at 28MB/sec).

 

I put the BD Drive onto an older notebook which has the same USB throughput, and used PowerDVD instead (came with the drive). It plays Blurays just fine! And it is only a dual core AMD Turion @ 2Ghz running Win Vista 32... my Desktop is a quad core Intel @ 2.33GHz running Win7 64bit. However, my desktop won't run PowerDVD for some reason... as other people have run into as well. It gives this error:

"The integrity of CyberLink PowerDVD is under threat. Check your anti-virus software for malicious activities or try reinstalling CyberLink PowerDVD"

Checking with Cyberlink on that issue.

 

So, I'm thinking that CinePlayer BD could be buggy at this point. I might try installing Roxio on my notebook just so I can compare players using the same hardware. Anyone know if that violates the Roxio license (installing on two PCs)?

[sknis]

The drive is USB 2.0 only. However, I tested the USB throughput using HD Tune and an external hardrive, and the rear USB throughput was 32MB/sec (front USB port was slightly slower at 28MB/sec).

 

I put the BD Drive onto an older notebook which has the same USB throughput, and used PowerDVD instead (came with the drive). It plays Blurays just fine! And it is only a dual core AMD Turion @ 2Ghz running Win Vista 32... my Desktop is a quad core Intel @ 2.33GHz running Win7 64bit. However, my desktop won't run PowerDVD for some reason... as other people have run into as well. It gives this error:

"The integrity of CyberLink PowerDVD is under threat. Check your anti-virus software for malicious activities or try reinstalling CyberLink PowerDVD"

Checking with Cyberlink on that issue.

 

So, I'm thinking that CinePlayer BD could be buggy at this point. I might try installing Roxio on my notebook just so I can compare players using the same hardware. Anyone know if that violates the Roxio license (installing on two PCs)?

 

Your EULA agreement says one at a time. I also have that other software but I don't get that boost in performance that you do. Perhaps there is something else. Where do you have the USB drive plugged into your desktop? What condition is your hard drive? What other things do you have running on your desktop while you are playing the DVD?

[whisper1980]

The drive is USB 2.0 only. However, I tested the USB throughput using HD Tune and an external hardrive, and the rear USB throughput was 32MB/sec (front USB port was slightly slower at 28MB/sec).

 

I put the BD Drive onto an older notebook which has the same USB throughput, and used PowerDVD instead (came with the drive). It plays Blurays just fine! And it is only a dual core AMD Turion @ 2Ghz running Win Vista 32... my Desktop is a quad core Intel @ 2.33GHz running Win7 64bit. However, my desktop won't run PowerDVD for some reason... as other people have run into as well. It gives this error:

"The integrity of CyberLink PowerDVD is under threat. Check your anti-virus software for malicious activities or try reinstalling CyberLink PowerDVD"

Checking with Cyberlink on that issue.

 

So, I'm thinking that CinePlayer BD could be buggy at this point. I might try installing Roxio on my notebook just so I can compare players using the same hardware. Anyone know if that violates the Roxio license (installing on two PCs)?

I'm begining to think I have some sort of USB performance issues on my desktop. While the throughput test indicated everything was fine, I've been noticing that when using apps that do heavy network I/O, my USB mouse performance suffers significantly. For example, while using Syncback to backup files to a network drive, my mouse stutters and moves VERY slowly... never used to do that. Also, when using my slingbox to watch TV over the local net, mouse clicks get lost so frequently that I can't watch my slingbox while doing anything constructive. Again, that never used to happen.

 

So, perhaps the rendering of bluray is enough to cause the same symptoms with my Plextor *USB* bluray drive performance. I'll be looking closer at this!

 

Followup 3/9/2011... I ended up purchasing an internal drive, and have the same problems. The saga continues.

 

Followup 7/16/2011 ...

Geez... nevermind. Blurays play fine now on my desktop. Thought I'd update this thread FWIW. Turns out it was the video card settings all along. I had never touched the settings and had assumed they were still set to the defaults as installed. They were not (were multiple driver updates the cause?).

 

While contemplating that perhaps my 256MB ATI (AMD) 3600 series card was not up to the task, I went in for one last look at the settings before shopping for a new card, and clicked on the "Default" button for each page of the Catalyst Control Center... and was surprised to see them change from what they were.

 

Popped in a BD movie, and it played perfectly with Roxio Cineplayer BD. Both on my USB external and internal BD drives.

 

Case closed!

[whisper1980]

What you are liable to run into on that is the copy protection on movies - you can't convert them because they have been made in such a way to prevent ANY copy being made.

 

You need to be able to copy the files and then create a new disc in anaglyph - but here comes catch 22. You can't do it because the original won't allow it

 

That is probably a very good point! But wouldn't this also apply to the ability to turn 2D into 3D on-the-fly as they allow now? I don't want to create an analglyph version of the 3D movie, just play it that way. Roxio can take a 3D movie from my Fuji W3 camera and play it in analglyph today, so why not a commercial 3D title? But you could very well be correct... that the HDCP or whatever is probably the limitation, preventing the player from messing with the frames. But yet they can mess with a 2D frame??! HDCP is still in effect there I think. Sigh, HDCP probably sees an unsupported display and doesn't allow the 3D content through.

 

I ordered an inexpensive USB BD drive today from NewEgg that supports 3D playback... so I'll confirm it one way or another. (Plextor PX-B120U). Even if it doesn't work, I'll be able to play my 2D BD titles in simulated 3D analglyph, so not a total waste.

[ggrussell]

I don't want to create an analglyph version of the 3D movie, just play it that way. Roxio can take a 3D movie from my Fuji W3 camera and play it in analglyph today, so why not a commercial 3D title?

I think you are correct, but I don't have the Cineplayer Plug-in to check it out.

 

To playback commercial Bluray, you need the Bluray Palyback plug-in sold separately.

[gi7omy]

OK - I didn't have a Blu-Ray disc handy so I shoved in one of my Lord of the Rings extended DVDs and selected 3D conversion.

 

Up it came in anaglyph in Cineplayer on the computer

 

Now whether or not it will work with Blu-Ray I don't really know (even or dog won't go out in this snow)

[ggrussell]

I think you need an extra plug-in for CinePlayer that is included with Creator 2011 to play commercial Bluray discs.

[whisper1980]

I think you need an extra plug-in for CinePlayer that is included with Creator 2011 to play commercial Bluray discs.

 

Yes, agreed, but it is not clear to me if it will convert to analglyph. I see this in the feature notes:

"Supports playback of true-3D content in a range of video file formats, including RealD", but then in the add-on's system requirements, it refers to needing a 3D capable TV/Monitor to view 3D under each of the mentioned video cards.

 

The feature notes also say "Automatic, real-time conversion of existing 2D content to visually stunning 3D", so I wish it would say the reverse... something like "Automatic, real-time conversion of commercial Bluray 3D movies to analglyph 3D for viewing on standard TV's and PC monitors"... but sigh, I don't see that spelled out.

 

It seems like such a simple thing to do technically by simply applying a color filter to each angle of the image. Maybe no one is allowed to do that under some Bluray license in order to promote 3D TV sales. I'm hoping not and hoping that someone can verify one way or another if this is possible with Roxio Creator 2011 Pro w/BD addon. I guess I could just contact support directly.

[sknis]

Yes, agreed, but it is not clear to me if it will convert to analglyph. I see this in the feature notes:

"Supports playback of true-3D content in a range of video file formats, including RealD", but then in the add-on's system requirements, it refers to needing a 3D capable TV/Monitor to view 3D under each of the mentioned video cards.

 

The feature notes also say "Automatic, real-time conversion of existing 2D content to visually stunning 3D", so I wish it would say the reverse... something like "Automatic, real-time conversion of commercial Bluray 3D movies to analglyph 3D for viewing on standard TV's and PC monitors"... but sigh, I don't see that spelled out.

 

It seems like such a simple thing to do technically by simply applying a color filter to each angle of the image. Maybe no one is allowed to do that under some Bluray license in order to promote 3D TV sales. I'm hoping not and hoping that someone can verify one way or another if this is possible with Roxio Creator 2011 Pro w/BD addon. I guess I could just contact support directly.

 

I frequently play 2D blu-ray DVD's on my computer connected to a 40 inch HD TV with the blu-ray enabled CinePlayer and it is very good. I had a viewing party for 3D (cyan/red) Avatar and it was impressive to my guests who forgot about the food and drink I was providing.

 

I do not have the required 3D TV or any of the other requirements. Did you see this information re: nVidia 3D?

[whisper1980]

I frequently play 2D blu-ray DVD's on my computer connected to a 40 inch HD TV with the blu-ray enabled CinePlayer and it is very good. I had a viewing party for 3D (cyan/red) Avatar and it was impressive to my guests who forgot about the food and drink I was providing.

 

I do not have the required 3D TV or any of the other requirements. Did you see this information re: nVidia 3D?

 

I have played some 2D standard DVD's using the CinePlayer with the 2D to 3D Analglyph mode, and I agree is is pretty cool, and I'll probably get around to running it to my projector or TV, but I really want a Bluray-3D to Analglyph 3D mode also.

 

Thanks also for the nVidia info.

[whisper1980]

I inserted my Blu-ray 3D copy of Ice Age 3D that came with my 3D TV into my new Bluray drive on my PC, purchased the Blu-ray playback add-on to the CinePlayer and was able to play the true 3D version of the movie in analglyph! Sweet! After the holidays, I'll try connecting my HDMI output to my projector and see how that goes!

 

So, step one is confirmed, you can play Blu-ray 3D titles in analglyph on your computer!

 

This on my quad core 2.33GHz PC with an external BD Drive with 3D support (Plextor PX-B120U). One issue I have to work out is that a non-animated standard Blu-ray movie (non-3D) was choppy, but the animated Ice Age 3D played perfectly. I suspect the USB connection might be a bottleneck (animated flicks I think use a lower bit rate due to less information). I'll experiment with other titles.

[gi7omy]

What you are liable to run into on that is the copy protection on movies - you can't convert them because they have been made in such a way to prevent ANY copy being made.

 

You need to be able to copy the files and then create a new disc in anaglyph - but here comes catch 22. You can't do it because the original won't allow it

[gi7omy]

If it's possible, connect the external drive via firewire or eSATA for a better transfer rate. That could be the reason for the glitching