Usb Video Capture Doesn't Capture Entire Tape

[VideoHD]

I have already sent this issue through to Roxio support only to get a link to the Knowledge Base which has nothing to do with my problem. so while I am waiting maybe someone can shed light on the following:

 

When I try to capture from camera using roxio USB capture, I run/capture a 2 hour movie (on an NTFS) drive and when it finishes it has not captured the entire video in the created file. it had only saved the last 25 minutes one time on a 7 gig file and another time it had only done 11 minutes in a 20 gig file!

 

I am running a fast computer with Windows 7 profressional, roxio creator 11 and USB capture device that came with my roxio 10. How do I capture the entire video in 1 file? why does it keep creating a file with a subset of the video? more strangely why is the 11 minute video twice as big as the 25 minute video? all settings were the same by the way. I am saving the files as AVI to preserve as much of the quality as possible.

 

WHEN I RUN A 2 HOUR VIDEO I ONLY GET THE LAST 10-25 MINUTES IN THE OUTPUT FILE AS OPPOSED TO THE 2 HOURS.

 

- I have NTFS

- I have no limit on my file size

- Roxio does not give any errors

- The USB capture device is capturing the signal fine

 

thanks

[VideoHD]

I think the way to go is to do some monitored captures…

 

Say doing a 30 minute one and if successful, a 1 hour one.

 

I have heard of bad captures yielding strange results as far as file size vs content go… As Gary pointed out, 13 GB per Hour is normal for AVI capture whereas 3.5 GB per hour is normal for mpeg2.

 

It's a good idea, I will try some variations this weekend and report back, it'll be good to find out what's going on.

[sknis]

I have already sent this issue through to Roxio support only to get a link to the Knowledge Base which has nothing to do with my problem. so while I am waiting maybe someone can shed light on the following:

 

When I try to capture from camera using roxio USB capture, I run/capture a 2 hour movie (on an NTFS) drive and when it finishes it has not captured the entire video in the created file. it had only saved the last 25 minutes one time on a 7 gig file and another time it had only done 11 minutes in a 20 gig file!

 

I am running a fast computer with Windows 7 profressional, roxio creator 11 and USB capture device that came with my roxio 10. How do I capture the entire video in 1 file? why does it keep creating a file with a subset of the video? more strangely why is the 11 minute video twice as big as the 25 minute video? all settings were the same by the way. I am saving the files as AVI to preserve as much of the quality as possible.

 

WHEN I RUN A 2 HOUR VIDEO I ONLY GET THE LAST 10-25 MINUTES IN THE OUTPUT FILE AS OPPOSED TO THE 2 HOURS.

 

- I have NTFS

- I have no limit on my file size

- Roxio does not give any errors

- The USB capture device is capturing the signal fine

 

thanks

 

Please clarify since the names are confusing. Do you have Roxio Creator 2011? Are you using the Capture device from Creator 2010 or from Easy Media Creator 10?

 

What camera? It is tape?

 

What else do you have running during the video capture?

 

Fast computer does not mean anything; please list your computer specs or at least the manufacturer and model number with any upgrades you made. Is you hard drive that you are capturing to internal or external.

 

What anti-virus do you have? Is it scanning your hard drive as you write to it?

 

BTW, I am not sure why you would want to capture the movie as one file. Often that leads to to audio/video sync errors. It is often best to capture in 20- 30 minute segments and to but it back together later.

[bimicher]

I have already sent this issue through to Roxio support only to get a link to the Knowledge Base which has nothing to do with my problem. so while I am waiting maybe someone can shed light on the following:

 

When I try to capture from camera using roxio USB capture, I run/capture a 2 hour movie (on an NTFS) drive and when it finishes it has not captured the entire video in the created file. it had only saved the last 25 minutes one time on a 7 gig file and another time it had only done 11 minutes in a 20 gig file!

 

I am running a fast computer with Windows 7 profressional, roxio creator 11 and USB capture device that came with my roxio 10. How do I capture the entire video in 1 file? why does it keep creating a file with a subset of the video? more strangely why is the 11 minute video twice as big as the 25 minute video? all settings were the same by the way. I am saving the files as AVI to preserve as much of the quality as possible.

 

WHEN I RUN A 2 HOUR VIDEO I ONLY GET THE LAST 10-25 MINUTES IN THE OUTPUT FILE AS OPPOSED TO THE 2 HOURS.

 

- I have NTFS

- I have no limit on my file size

- Roxio does not give any errors

- The USB capture device is capturing the signal fine

 

thanks

 

 

What does this mean: "why does it keep creating a file with a subset of the video?"

 

Doe the capture program stop after 11 minutes (the tape will of course keep running)?

 

 

BTW, please use the correct name of the software when posting There are no versiopns called Roxio Creator 11 or Roxio 10. They are called Roxio Creator 2011 (or C2011) and Roxio Creator 2010 (C2010). Using the correct name avoids with earlier similar named products.

[VideoHD]

here are more clarifications:

 

computer specs: i7 950, asus motherboard, 24 Gig 1600 RAM, SSD for operating system and applicatons, 2x1TB WD Black drives(internal) for video files, AMD Radeon 5970 HD, Windows 7 Professional

 

running Roxio Creator 2011, using USB capture plug that came with Roxio Creator 2010 package

 

What else do you have running during the video capture? Antivirus is installed and running in the background, Norton Internet Security 2011

 

What camera? It is tape? Old Sony 8mm analog camcorder (I have ~30 old family home videos that I want to digitize for backup purposes)

 

Does the capture program stop after 11 minutes (the tape will of course keep running)? No, the capture program (Roxio Creator 2011 does not stop or produces any errors, it continues to run through the entire process and displays the footage as it is being captured correctly through the entire 2 hour process. The camera also plays the entire 2 hours without issues.

 

What does this mean: "why does it keep creating a file with a subset of the video?" Here is the essence of the problem, I left the capture program and the camcorder running for 2 hours, everything seemed fine and the process finished. In the drive where the .avi file was being created I could see a .avi file with the name that I had given it. However after the entire process finished and I ran the .avi file I noticed that instead of the anticipated 2 hour footage from beginning to end, the file only contained 25 latter minutes of the video, meaning the last half hour of the video, this file was around 7 gigs in size, I then did the process again, and this time I got only 11 minutes of the latter part of the video in a file size of 20 gigs) in 2 attempts I was not able to produce a file from the beginning to the end of the video.

 

BTW, I am not sure why you would want to capture the movie as one file. Often that leads to to audio/video sync errors. It is often best to capture in 20- 30 minute segments and to but it back together later.

 

Perhaps. The reason I am trying to do it in one shot is for backup purposes. I would rather have 30 2 hour files to backup and manage than 120 files. In addition if I just capture 30 minutes at a time then I may be breaking events in the middle and spreading them over multiple files which will add to the maintenance issues. Also, as you can see I didn't even manage to create a consistent file as described above.

 

I have gotten the following feedback from Roxio (their second response) I will try this tonight and see what happens.

 

1. Run your system as Administrator.

2.The issue might be caused by the Creator 2011 setup package running in Windows Vista compatibility mode on Windows 7. Please use the following steps to turn off Vista compatibility mode for the Creator 2011 setup package:

a. Right-click on the setup package and choose Properties.

b. Click on the Compatibility tab in the Properties window.

c. In the Compatibility mode section, uncheck the box that is labeled Run the program in compatibility mode for Windows Vista.

d. Click OK to save the changes.

e. Re-run Creator 2011 the setup package.

 

thanks.

[ggrussell]

the file only contained 25 latter minutes of the video, meaning the last half hour of the video, this file was around 7 gigs in size, I then did the process again, and this time I got only 11 minutes of the latter part of the video in a file size of 20 gigs) in 2 attempts I was not able to produce a file from the beginning to the end of the video.

The math doesn't add up. First file contains 25min is 7GB and the second file only has 11min is 20GB? There has to be something else in those files.

 

Are you recording to DV AVI or MPEG? DV AVI should be about 13GB per hour. MPEG is around 4.5GB per hour at best quality. So you can see, the above numbers don't make a lot of sense.

[VideoHD]

My problem with video capture continues and I will report back as I get more info and more sample captures.

 

I have found something else that is interesting though and I notice other posts about it all over the web including the Roxio forums with no good answers.

 

I have found that for "some" captures, there is recurring audio static and pops throughout the video capture, these are loud and quite noticeable, for other captures this doesn't happen. it's very strange, the only suggestion on the web are to look at hardware acceleration but this is not an issue for me because I am using windows 7.

 

I am using onboard sound card which comes with the ASUS Rampage III Extreme motherboard. I don't have an external microphone connected and as I mentioned this doesn't happen all the time, it happens for certain video captures, but once it happens it's throughout the video capture.

 

I am using the same tape and same video capture setup, nothing is changing on the side of the input. My guess is that there is some kind of interference internally (internal to the computer) either hardware or software issues that produce the static. My guess is that it's not a Roxio software issue because I tried using CyberLink PowerDirector demo download which recognized the Roxio USB capture device and was able to capture video but I was hearing the audio static and pops with it as well.

[Jim_Hardin]

My problem with video capture continues and I will report back as I get more info and more sample captures.

 

I have found something else that is interesting though and I notice other posts about it all over the web including the Roxio forums with no good answers.

 

I have found that for "some" captures, there is recurring audio static and pops throughout the video capture, these are loud and quite noticeable, for other captures this doesn't happen. it's very strange, the only suggestion on the web are to look at hardware acceleration but this is not an issue for me because I am using windows 7.

 

I am using onboard sound card which comes with the ASUS Rampage III Extreme motherboard. I don't have an external microphone connected and as I mentioned this doesn't happen all the time, it happens for certain video captures, but once it happens it's throughout the video capture.

 

I am using the same tape and same video capture setup, nothing is changing on the side of the input. My guess is that there is some kind of interference internally (internal to the computer) either hardware or software issues that produce the static. My guess is that it's not a Roxio software issue because I tried using CyberLink PowerDirector demo download which recognized the Roxio USB capture device and was able to capture video but I was hearing the audio static and pops with it as well.

You are confusing yourself by trying to search and then apply other problems to yours…

 

Some of the Roxio USB Devices are sensitive to video noise… When these hit blank spots in the tape, they Stop Recording!

 

This is NOT what is happening to you.

 

Hardware Acceleration has nothing to do with any Operating System…

 

In your last sentence I see a problem… If you don’t change anything and just keep repeating the same steps, nothing is going to change.

 

I asked you to run some manual captures for testing but you don’t seem inclined to try anything. Probably better if you keep working with Tech Support on this.

[JCN9801]

Me again!

I would have posted last year (two now?) if I HAD BEEN DOING THIS back then (Feb 2011?) -- I was not, sorry.

 

Going through another bout of USB video capture issues on the HP dv7 laptop (new last June).

 

Just did 55 min of a 1 hour DVR program.

Restarted to get the last 5 minutes and C2011 got all of 2:30! Restarted again and it got the whole 5 minutes.

Watched pot never boils -- I watched it this time.

Next two 1 hours programs captured fine.

 

FYI: I use painter's blue tape to hold the USB dongle RCA connectors to the LRV RCA cable from the DVR. Just trying to avoid accidentally bumping things loose.

 

Per my prev post: I can do simultaneous things on my HP: capture + 2 external copies and maybe briefly check an existing capture using Media Player.

Almost always (95%) the USB capture is just fine (from a CISCO RNG200 if that counts).

 

ALL captures are to internal hard drives (7200 rpm everywhere).

 

One thing I try to avoid is having drive copies going while the capture is ending. Just a feeling - nothing definitive.

 

Almost all of my captures are timed. My experience has been that manual stop or timed makes no difference wrt reliably getting to the correct completion.

 

As I posted sometimes the failure happens when NOTHING else is going on the system.

 

The other day I looked in Windows Explorer at the 751 MB mark (DVD LP = MPEG-1) and the file size was about that.

When the capture finished a couple of minutes later the final size was only a couple of minutes! Somebody moved my cheese!

 

Dell laptop running XP is nearly 100% -- cannot remember the last capture failure there.

I can do capture and at least one HD copy there simultaneously w/o problem (5 year old Inspiron 1520 running XP with C2010).

 

Sorry to post here -- if this wrong or the issue is not worthy of further consideration (or is truly "closed") I will go away and grin and bear it.

For the record I do not believe in ghosts or UFOs but this stuff with C2011 capture glitches is really happening; and to others too I suspect.

The truth must be out there!

 

-JCN

[VideoHD]

You are confusing yourself by trying to search and then apply other problems to yours…

 

Some of the Roxio USB Devices are sensitive to video noise… When these hit blank spots in the tape, they Stop Recording!

 

This is NOT what is happening to you.

 

Hardware Acceleration has nothing to do with any Operating System…

 

In your last sentence I see a problem… If you don’t change anything and just keep repeating the same steps, nothing is going to change.

 

I asked you to run some manual captures for testing but you don’t seem inclined to try anything. Probably better if you keep working with Tech Support on this.

 

sorry, I think you missed my point, I agree with you that I should change up the parameters on the video captures to get to the bottom of the video capture issue (unfortunately Roxio support is really bad and I have given up on them), but the issue I raised in the post you replied to is about finding AUDIO noise on some of the video captures I have been doing, this is a new side issue that has come up that is quite annoying, all of the points I was making in the post you replied to are about the audio noise issue.

[Jim_Hardin]

I don't really understand what you are after??? (lot of text-little info)

 

You are using a laptop, which has lower performance to begin with...

 

You compound the issue by multitasking during the capture!

 

You had another PC and it worked fine on that one...

 

So the 'problem' seems confined to this laptop? I would make sure you are getting good cooling (maybe a small fan blowing at it) and of course running on AC power.

 

Would you mind if we get your posts seperated from this old Topic into one of your own?

[JCN9801]

My problem with video capture continues and I will report back as I get more info and more sample captures.

....

 

 

I thought I would weigh in on Roxio Creator Video Capture issues:

I have two set-ups

 

(1) Dell Inspiron 1520 laptop 3 GB & 500 GB HD w/ Intel graphics running WinXP SP3

(2) HP dv7-6100 Pavilion Intel i7-2630QM w/ 8GB 2x750GB internal hard drives; dual graphics (but using Intel graphics mode) w/ Win7 Ultimate

 

I run Roxio 2011 with its USB dongle on the HP and Roxio 2010 with its USB dongle on the Dell. Both versions patched, etc.

USB are direct connected without hubs.

 

All of my hard drives are internal and 7200 rpm SATA II (as if that should matter: check out those 160GB SATA I drives in your set-top boxes that can record two simultaneous programs and playback a third!)

 

Capture from my set-top box DVR is pretty much flawless on the Dell (MPEG-2 and MPEG-1 mostly).

DVR capture using the HP can be a bit more fussy.

Every now and then it will not capture a whole program (usually 1 hour, some are 2+ hours).

Length captured for those that fail varies from a few minutes to almost the whole hour.

 

The amount of other activity on the HP does not seem to matter wrt success or failure.

I have completed successful captures while copying and moving multiple video files to/from external hard drives simultaneously.

I have had failures (2 in row just now) with NOTHING else active on the system.

I usually just re-boot.

 

Curiously, when it fails, the Roxio Media Import pane shows "Time Elapsed" and "File Size Completed" with the expected numbers for a whole program capture.

It's just when I open it or look at in Windows Explorer it is mostly gone -- usually from the beginning.

 

Realize that nothing "reportable" is failing, there are no error IDs, messages, lost signal events, etc. It is merely that most of the program/file is just not saved/retained.

 

My suspicion is that there is some subtle timing error within the Windows file system that causes all of the file segments not to be assembled properly when the capture finishes.

 

I am just stating these facts so people who report USB capture lost length / lost files are not greeted with incredulity,skepticism and bombarded with endless questions, etc about their set-up, what else is running, what else they are doing, etc. etc. etc. These anomalies are happening on normal everyday systems and there are not figments of users' imaginations or something that they are doing incorrectly. For me this is an entirely manageable situation but I understand and sympathize that it can be more serious and far more for frustrating for some users. I might not be a bad idea for Roxio to devote a some effort to attempt to collect some data from those of us experiencing this sort of problem. I will volunteer my HP for instrumented data capture (if that will help run down this problem).

[VideoHD]

The math doesn't add up. First file contains 25min is 7GB and the second file only has 11min is 20GB? There has to be something else in those files.

 

Are you recording to DV AVI or MPEG? DV AVI should be about 13GB per hour. MPEG is around 4.5GB per hour at best quality. So you can see, the above numbers don't make a lot of sense.

 

You are right, the file sizes are strange. Last night I tried to look at the compatibility box under properties for application executable as well as the setup file and they were not checked, meaning that the issue Roxio suggested to look at was not there. I am recording in DV AVI because I found that it preserves the highest quality based on what I could see. So based on the numbers you are saying, the first file of 25 minutes and 7 gigs sounds about right, the strange file was the 11 minutes, 20 gig file.

 

What I did change from the first run to the second was the maximum amount of time to record, even though the option to limit video length was not selected, I just wanted to see if there was a bug in the program so I just changed the video limit from the default 30 minutes to 2 hours and 30 minutes. As I said, this option was not selected, so it should not make a difference, but strangely it did! capturing less video in a larger file.

 

The problem continues.

[Jim_Hardin]

I think the way to go is to do some monitored captures…

 

Say doing a 30 minute one and if successful, a 1 hour one.

 

I have heard of bad captures yielding strange results as far as file size vs content go… As Gary pointed out, 13 GB per Hour is normal for AVI capture whereas 3.5 GB per hour is normal for mpeg2.

[Jim_Hardin]

If boils down to this.

 

No one here can reproduce any of your problems.

 

None of us have ever seen those problems, at least in the combination you are having.

 

Any chance you have another PC you can test on?

 

Were it mine, I would have bit the bullet by now and put in a new HDD to make a clean start

[VideoHD]

If boils down to this.

 

No one here can reproduce any of your problems.

 

None of us have ever seen those problems, at least in the combination you are having.

 

Any chance you have another PC you can test on?

 

Were it mine, I would have bit the bullet by now and put in a new HDD to make a clean start

 

I am inspired by your point! Maybe the problems are due to the fact that I am using the latest and greatest hardware/software.

 

The system I am doing this on is:

 

Asus Rampage Extreme III with 24 Gigs of RAM, Intel i7 950, 128 OCZ SSD, 2 x 1TB WD Caviar Black, AMD Radeon 6970 HD, Pioneer 12x Bluray Burner, MS Windows 7 Professional

 

Later today I will try to use my 3 year old laptop to run Roxio and capture my 8mm footage (maybe that's all Roxio deserves!) and maybe this will actually work.

 

then I can edit whatever I like including my HD footage on the new machine.

 

will report back on this interesting venture.

 

thanks for the input.

[Jim_Hardin]

Should prove interesting...

 

It seems that the ones who come here and beat their chest about how good their computer is are usually humbled in the end…

 

You sure you really think your PC is too good for some particular software But in any case, as long as it meets the minimum specs, it should be good to go. And this will also help to test the USB Device, independently.

[VideoHD]

Should prove interesting...

 

It seems that the ones who come here and beat their chest about how good their computer is are usually humbled in the end…

 

You sure you really think your PC is too good for some particular software But in any case, as long as it meets the minimum specs, it should be good to go. And this will also help to test the USB Device, independently.

 

even if I haven't solved my problems, I like your sense of humor! so cheers!

 

I am not implying my computer is too good for anything and it was not intended as a chest beating exercise, but I specifically got this computer to preserve my old videos, edit them, and edit my new HD videos as well without limitations, and with speed. having been a computer programmer however, I know that software is not always written for, optimized or suitable for the latest and greatest hardware and vice versa. and when I said I was inspired by your post, this was truly the case. to make a long story short I shall try the old school way and my guess is that it will work better... and when 64 bit video editing becomes mainstream, my new computer may just do the job better then.

[Jim_Hardin]

Seems like a nice PC!

 

I recall the fun days of setting variables to BIT values and deleting every unneeded space in a program to compact the size...

 

Now days a Yes/No (1 or 0) burns up 64 bits of RAM and no one cares

 

Play around and see what you come up with! Let us know.

[Jim_Hardin]

Might have been better if you posted last year when this was active...

 

The OP hasn't been here since last March

 

My DVD can't do what you post... It can do TWO items at one time, Record-Record or Record-Play, but not 3

 

I do record from my DVR but in HD with an HDMI cable and a different capture card. Now that takes a dedicated effort on my part as well as the PC

 

Some facts of capture. RAM has NO relevance CPU and HDD is EVERYTHING!

 

It only takes about 1.5, 1.6 GHz of CPU to capture with! BUT it must be left alone during capture AND the HDD must be plenty big and defragged!

 

Throughput from Capture - to CPU - to HDD must be unhindered by other tasks or system slowness.

 

Look at the little Dell Mini 10 in my signature block. It never missed a beat during capture yet it is at the bottom of the barrel or maybe even under it

 

I would venture a guess that there is something within the HP PC that is a bottleneck?

[VideoHD]

Same video in bioth the 55 and the 45 minute capture?

 

I don't quite understand the first sentence (I bolded it). Please explain. Is there supposed to be a punctuation there. i.e set it to one hour. I stopped it at 55 minutes .. (or something like that).

 

yeah, sorry for the bad writing!

 

I meant to say that I set the capture length to 1 hour and when I checked back at the 55 minute mark, it had reached a portion of the video where it was appropriate to stop, if I had let it go another 5 minutes it would have captured the first 5 minutes of a different event on the same tape, so I decided to manually stop the capture at the 55 minute mark.

 

I have done more controlled captures and I notice that regardless of the length that I set, when I terminate the capture I notice that the generated video file is missing the beginning of the point where I started the capture.

 

Let me try to clarify some more.

 

let's say I have a 2 hour video file and I already have captured the first 30 minutes. so far so good. I then start to capture from the 30th minute onward, and let's say that I set the capture length to 45 minutes.

 

at this point there are 2 things that can happen:

 

1. I don't manually terminate the capture. When I check the generated file I notice that instead of having video from minute 30 onwards, it has video from minute 35 or 40 onwards, it's missing this first chunk of the video I intended to capture.

 

2. I terminate the capture manually. When I check the file, it's still missing some of the beginning portion of video I intended to capture.

[VideoHD]

I tried this and cannot reproduce it...

 

I set it for 1:45 and it captured exactly that!

 

 

I also tried one using a FAT32 HDD and NO file was made after the 4 GB FAT32 file limit was exceeded...

 

but did you then check your captured content to make sure it starts exactly where you started your video capture. I have tried a few more captures and I notice that when you stop capture and check the video it doesn't start right at the point you started the capture, the captured video ends up missing some of the beginning of the video.

[sknis]

but did you then check your captured content to make sure it starts exactly where you started your video capture. I have tried a few more captures and I notice that when you stop capture and check the video it doesn't start right at the point you started the capture, the captured video ends up missing some of the beginning of the video.

 

That's not unusual, the computer, the capture device and the source must all work together and sometimes it takes a couple of seconds. Most people would just rewind for a second or two and then start the capture again. You can always cut out any overlaps in Video Wave.

[VideoHD]

That's not unusual, the computer, the capture device and the source must all work together and sometimes it takes a couple of seconds. Most people would just rewind for a second or two and then start the capture again. You can always cut out any overlaps in Video Wave.

 

Maybe I wasn't clear. It's not seconds, it's 10 minutes!

[sknis]

Maybe I wasn't clear. It's not seconds, it's 10 minutes!

 

OH !

[bimicher]

Maybe I wasn't clear. It's not seconds, it's 10 minutes!

 

What happens if you stop the capture after 10 minutes or so?