Dvd+R Versus Dvd-R As Source Disc

[peterguitar]

I just burned a few coasters by trying to copy a video_ts folder from a dvd+r source disc to some dvd-r discs. I vaguely remember that at one time I read that it was better to first copy the video_ts folder from the dvd+r disc to a hard disk and THEN move the video _ts file to Toast from the hard disk and burn to the dvd-r.

 

 

Is that the right way to do this (I hate DVD+R source discs) ?

 

Thanks

[peterguitar]

You say this is a VR-mode disc although there is a VIDEO_TS folder. I'm wondering if the disc was finalized by the DVD recorder that created it. If it wasn't finalized it intended for playing on the source DVD player. If it was finalized by the DVD recorder it should play on the Mac and be readily copied with Toast (and playable with DVD Player). As for MPEG Streamclip just choose open DVD and select the DVD. If Streamclip can't read it then you know the problem is with the source. This reminds me that I was going to test Toast 11's ability to read VR-mode discs created by my standalone DVD Recorder.

 

The source disc is a DVD+R disc. These discs have a "Video_RM" folder and a "Video_TS" folder, as opposed to the Video_TS and Audio_TS folders on a DVD-R disc. In the past I've been able to just drag the Video_TS folder from a DVD+R disc over to Toast and make copies just fine. Since installing Toast 11 it's not happenin'.

 

As far as I know the +R's are not finalized and the -R's are finalized.

 

In my experience DVD-R's are the medium of choice as are DVD+RW's. Of course this falls into the YMMV category but that is what I've found. When I have DVD-R sources I have little if any issues ever.

 

I'l try those suggestions later when I get back to that machine.

 

Thanks

[peterguitar]

Found something interesting regarding menu styles. Toast includes only the Splash and No menus in the "Toast Menu Styles" folder inside the Toast package and places all the other menu styles in a "Toast Menu Styles" folder in the root>Library>Application Support>Roxio folder. Maybe moving or removing some styles from one place to the other could change the default style when launching Toast. If that did work to modify the Toast package contents those menus may return to the default as a result of a Toast 11 update. I recommend making a copy of the Toast 11 application before messing around with its package contents.

 

Okay, I went an tried it. If you remove the Splash styles from the Toast package and select No menus or any menu style in Toast, it defaults to opening that style the next to you open Toast. However, you cannot have the Splash style available if you do this. Moving it to the folder in Applications Support causes Toast to default to it the same as before.

 

 

Yes! This method worked for me.

 

Thanks...

[tsantee]

Will do..... Thanks again.

Pete Durso

Flamingo Video

Wilmington, NC

Found something interesting regarding menu styles. Toast includes only the Splash and No menus in the "Toast Menu Styles" folder inside the Toast package and places all the other menu styles in a "Toast Menu Styles" folder in the root>Library>Application Support>Roxio folder. Maybe moving or removing some styles from one place to the other could change the default style when launching Toast. If that did work to modify the Toast package contents those menus may return to the default as a result of a Toast 11 update. I recommend making a copy of the Toast 11 application before messing around with its package contents.

 

Okay, I went an tried it. If you remove the Splash styles from the Toast package and select No menus or any menu style in Toast, it defaults to opening that style the next to you open Toast. However, you cannot have the Splash style available if you do this. Moving it to the folder in Applications Support causes Toast to default to it the same as before.

[peterguitar]

peterguitar,

 

just wanted to say that sorry i missed your question to me however as usual tsantee understood your problem and provided help

 

 

 

Thanks!

[macmidiguy]

peterguitar,

 

just wanted to say that sorry i missed your question to me however as usual tsantee understood your problem and provided help

[peterguitar]

Previous versions of Toast defaulted to the last used menu (or no menu). But this one doesn't do that. Send feedback to Roxio via the Help menu to let them know you want Toast to save the menu style. I notice that even if I save a project the menu style isn't saved when I reopen it.

 

Will do..... Thanks again.

Pete Durso

Flamingo Video

Wilmington, NC

[tsantee]

Is there a way to get the default menu pick to be "No Menu"?

Previous versions of Toast defaulted to the last used menu (or no menu). But this one doesn't do that. Send feedback to Roxio via the Help menu to let them know you want Toast to save the menu style. I notice that even if I save a project the menu style isn't saved when I reopen it.

[peterguitar]

OK... I got a message to update to 11.0.1 this morning and after I applied this update things seem to be working fine.

 

Thanks for the tips.

 

 

Is there a way to get the default menu pick to be "No Menu"?

[peterguitar]

If there is video in the VIDEO_RM folder then that may be what Toast can extract. You may be right that the standalone recorders that burn to DVD+R discs don't need finalizing. My recorder burns VR mode only to -RW discs. The Video-mode recordings can be on -R or -RW discs, both of which need to be finalized before Toast can access their videos.

 

 

I have suggested to my client that, until they can get dvd-r blanks, they might want to re-create the source DVD+R discs and burn them as DVD-Video instead of DVD-VR. I will still "putz around" with the discs they originally gave me until then.

 

Still not at that machine.

[tsantee]

The source disc is a DVD+R disc. These discs have a "Video_RM" folder and a "Video_TS" folder, as opposed to the Video_TS and Audio_TS folders on a DVD-R disc. In the past I've been able to just drag the Video_TS folder from a DVD+R disc over to Toast and make copies just fine. Since installing Toast 11 it's not happenin'.

 

As far as I know the +R's are not finalized and the -R's are finalized.

 

In my experience DVD-R's are the medium of choice as are DVD+RW's. Of course this falls into the YMMV category but that is what I've found. When I have DVD-R sources I have little if any issues ever.

 

I'l try those suggestions later when I get back to that machine.

 

Thanks

If there is video in the VIDEO_RM folder then that may be what Toast can extract. You may be right that the standalone recorders that burn to DVD+R discs don't need finalizing. My recorder burns VR mode only to -RW discs. The Video-mode recordings can be on -R or -RW discs, both of which need to be finalized before Toast can access their videos.

[tsantee]

What do I actualy do in MPEG Streamclip? I don't see an option to OUTPUT a Video_ts folder.

You say this is a VR-mode disc although there is a VIDEO_TS folder. I'm wondering if the disc was finalized by the DVD recorder that created it. If it wasn't finalized it intended for playing on the source DVD player. If it was finalized by the DVD recorder it should play on the Mac and be readily copied with Toast (and playable with DVD Player). As for MPEG Streamclip just choose open DVD and select the DVD. If Streamclip can't read it then you know the problem is with the source. This reminds me that I was going to test Toast 11's ability to read VR-mode discs created by my standalone DVD Recorder.

 

Addendum: Yes, Toast extracts VR-mode video from the DVD-RW discs that my Pioneer standalone DVD recorder uses. As mentioned in an earlier post in this thread, the video needs to be extracted via the Media Browser. I selected Video in the browser and then a title under DVD (with the source DVD inserted, of course). I selected the title and added it to the main Toast window. Toast then writes it as a VOB in the Roxio Converted Items folder so that becomes the source video file rather than the disc itself.

[peterguitar]

Perhaps the source VIDEO_TS folder is corrupted.

 

I use DVDRemaster to " clean " corrupted VIDEO_TS folder.

 

You could also try MPEG Streamclip.

 

 

What do I actualy do in MPEG Streamclip? I don't see an option to OUTPUT a Video_ts folder.

[macmidiguy]

I just burned a few coasters by trying to copy a video_ts folder from a dvd+r source disc to some dvd-r discs.

 

 

Perhaps the source VIDEO_TS folder is corrupted.

 

I use DVDRemaster to " clean " corrupted VIDEO_TS folder.

 

You could also try MPEG Streamclip.

[tsantee]

AAAArgh.... When I do THAT Toast just goes into "Application Not Responding" BeachBall lala land...

I haven't tested this process in Toast 11 yet. It worked with earlier versions so I'll give it a try. However, my standalone DVD recorder creates VR-mode on DVD-RW media so the comparison won't be exact.

[peterguitar]

AAAArgh.... When I do THAT Toast just goes into "Application Not Responding" BeachBall lala land...

[tsantee]

OK. I've tried my solution and I've tried yours and all I keep doing is creating discs that cannot be played by DVD-Player. I can fool VLC into playing them but I think VLC player would be able to read a bottle cap if I could insert in into my drive.

 

In one of my experiments it has come to light that the DVD+R disc (my source) has been recorded as DVD VR.

Could that be the problem? How is THAT fixed?

Choose DVD video as the format in the Toast Video window. Insert the VR-mode DVD and choose Video in the top bar of the Toast Media Browser. Choose DVD in the browser and you should see something appear in the browser window. Select what appeared and add it to the main Toast window. You may be shown a window giving you the option to select just a portion of the video. Do whatever you want to do there and complete the process to add the video. Now you are ready to customize your menu and have Toast author and burn a new video DVD that is playable on DVD players.

[peterguitar]

OK. I've tried my solution and I've tried yours and all I keep doing is creating discs that cannot be played by DVD-Player. I can fool VLC into playing them but I think VLC player would be able to read a bottle cap if I could insert in into my drive.

 

In one of my experiments it has come to light that the DVD+R disc (my source) has been recorded as DVD VR.

Could that be the problem? How is THAT fixed?

[tsantee]

It actually is supposed to work to simply use the disc copy setting in the Copy window and click burn. When Toast finishes reading the source DVD it ejects it and asks you to insert a blank disc for burning.

 

However, I prefer to choose Save as Disc Image. Select the DVD using the Disc Copy setting in the Copy window and either choose Save as Disc Image from the File menu or selecting Save as Disc Image from the popup window that appears when you click on the name of your DVD drive at the bottom of the Toast window. When you do the latter the burn button becomes Save. When the disc image is done select it with the Image File setting in the Copy window to burn you new DVD.