Spin Doctor - What Is Going On?

[jazzjet]

I was looking forward to trying out the new Spin Doctor in Toast 11. But what on earth has happened? I don't mind the slick interface but very little else seems to work.

I have tried to record a vinyl LP using the USB Audio Codec setting. The sound plays through the speakers OK and the record button look as though it functions. However,

when the recording finishes, I click on the stop button and then on Done. The result - nothing! The latest time Spin Doctor just quit. No screen with track information etc as in previous versions. It just takes me

back to the opening screen. And I've no idea whether the recording exists on my hard disc or, indeed, where it is.

This is after I've downloaded the latest update by the way. Still no Help file - why not?

I'm running 10.6.7 on an iMac. I have used CD Spin Doctor included with Toast 8 with some success and this latest version is a major disappointment.

Can someone take note of this and fix it please?

[marmer]

I've been using CD Spin Doctor since it came out. This new Spin Doctor X is the most unprofessional, unfinished, embarrassing excuse for an application that I have ever seen. It functions like a ten-dollar piece of Windows 95 software. Roxio's "support?" "Spin Doctor X is not supported on Lion." I don't even know why they even bothered to include this giant steaming piece of ...sludge in Toast 11 at all, let alone writing a new so-called "interface."

 

Roxio: selling this crippled piece of software is tantamount to fraud.

[Zoony]

Unfortunately tracks cannot be dragged from Spin Doctor X. One of many shortcomings. Great suggestion for the workaround with CD Spin Doctor.

It does sound that Spin Doctor X lacks the simple convenience of CD Spin Doctor, despite having some new features. Great shame... Not much point recording audio if you can't easily save it the way you want to.

[prl]

I've given up on trying to put my vinyl onto CD using this version of Spin Doctor X. The only question for me is whether to wait for it to be fixed or revert to Toast 10.

[Zoony]

I've given up on trying to put my vinyl onto CD using this version of Spin Doctor X. The only question for me is whether to wait for it to be fixed or revert to Toast 10.

I don't know if anyone from Roxio is reading this, but a good brand name is being badly tarnished by this new version that clearly has some problems that need to be fixed. The reviews on Amazon are also not very good. This is not what customers expect for a product on a Mac. I have been happy with Toast 10 - although this recent CD Spin Doctor glitch (saving track to disk) is baffling. For now, the workaround seems to work, but it's a worry. People who use Macs expect stuff to just work! My suggestion to Roxio - read the reviews and comments on the forums, then fix it!

[prl]

A couple more wishes for Spin Doctor X (for after its basic vinyl-to-Toast functionality is fixed):

• Show a progress bar when sending tracks to Toast (that being missing is pretty close to a bug rather than a wish item)
  
• Show numerical indicators on the noise filter settings so it's easy to reproduce settings.
  
• When setting up a noise filter using Manual, start off with the last used settings, not all zeros.
  
• Allow filters to be removed (and not just bypassed).
  

 

Does anyone know what happens if you just add a noise filter and don't use Manual to set it up? Does it just use the default manual settings (all zero)? Or does it do something sensible? Why did no-one think of writing a manual?

[prl]

Another couple of annoyances from Spin Doctor. I had another go with it to see whether Spin Doctor X (it still says that 1.0.1 is the latest version of SDX) played any nicer with the new version of Toast (11.0.4). Yes, point and laugh if you must.

 

First up, I tried setting the Analog Auto-define minimum track length to 59 secs to try to see whether I could avoid the earlier problems I had with it generating too-short tracks. And what do I get:

...

Untitled Track 04 Track Duration: 00:00:12.000

Untitled Track 05 Track Duration: 00:00:13.000

...

 

Who rewrote the rules of arithmetic while I wasn't looking?

 

Anyway, struggled on and edited up some of the tracks that Auto-define had got wrong (if I don't edit the tracks, they seem to transfer without any problems to Toast, but the CD tracks I get bear little resemblance to the tracks on the vinyl). Clicked on the Toast button, and SDX hangs without starting Toast; had to Force Quit.

 

Very disappointed that the new releases (including Toast and Disc Cover) didn't include an update to this sorry mess.

[Latigo]

Unfortunately tracks cannot be dragged from Spin Doctor X. One of many shortcomings. Great suggestion for the workaround with CD Spin Doctor.

 

That's interesting. I sent a long list of problems with Spin Doctor X to Roxio last Saturday. The reply said that I should drag the tracks from Spin Doctor to Toast. So even Roxio techs don't know this doesn't work.

 

Here's my list of problems some of which have been mentioned by others:

 

1) There is no Help within SD or even on your website (that I could find).

2) The music within SD sometimes doesn't play. When tapping the keyboard the play/pause buttons change but the music doesn't play.

3) When sending to iTunes ALL five tracks of the disc I have recorded are most often saved as one file even though I have automatically or manually defined them.

4) Sometimes NOTHING will save to iTunes

5) Sometimes when typing track details into Info within SD the details are not retained in the track information.

6) A recording with five tracks is auto defined as having twelve. This even though the auto define preference has been changed to Default Analog.

7) I cannot see anything with SD to show that the transfer to iTunes is being done.

8) I just manually defined five tracks and tried transferring them to iTunes as MP3s. Only the first track was transferred. I deleted the "defined" part of track one in the hope and expectation that track two would be saved. It wasn't. NOTHING happened.

9) I had assumed that the Track Duration would be the difference between the Start Time and End Time. It isn't.

 

I have had the version of SD that came with Toast 9 and just updated to Toast 11.

 

I cannot remember an application being as buggy as SD X. As Toast 11 has been out since March and Spin Doctor is still rubbish I cannot imagine Roxio doing anything about it now.

[jrdallas]

After all the issues I had with Toast 10 and CD Spin Doctor, I decided to give the new Toast 11 a try that supposedly works with OS 10.7.

The new CD Spin Doctor X version is just as buggy and a complete frustration.

I immediately requested a refund and removed the software. I had all the problems as others and also could not adjust the recording level at all. The slider was grayed out.

I reinstalled Toast 10 and someday hope to see the fix for Lion that was promised in August. I can't believe they advertise that Toast 11 works with 10.7 now.

[tsantee]

You mentioned "when sending to Toast it always goes to the audio CD window. I wish I could also send it to the Convert window".

 

I don't know if this would work for Spin Doctor X, but my solution in CD Spin Doctor (Toast 10) is to open Toast while Spin Doctor is still open. Select the Convert Window. Then drag the track from Spin Doctor to the Convert window. That seems to work for me - and also preserves the in and out points of the marked up track. Be interested to know if it works in Spin Doctor X!

Unfortunately tracks cannot be dragged from Spin Doctor X. One of many shortcomings. Great suggestion for the workaround with CD Spin Doctor.

[PabloK]

As prl points out, Spin Doctor X is pretty much a worthless product. I upgraded to Toast 11 primarily to digitize my Vinyl LPs, as Spin Doctor with Toast 10 seemed to no longer be able to capture audio with OS 10.7. Spin Doctor X is probably the worst upgrade in my 27 years of Macintosh use, and I put the blame soley on Roxio. Along with Intuit, I've purchased my last product from this company.

[marmer]

Here it is November, and no sign of the "promised" updates or fixes. Lion has been out for months. I took Roxio at their word, and believed in the good experiences I had had with years of earlier versions of CD Spin Doctor, and waited for a fix. Now it's too late for a refund. Abandonware.

 

This is not a simple bug, and it's not a corrupted installation. It's a brand new installation from an original Roxio disc on a brand new iMac. Absolutely unacceptable.

[electric perk]

I wrote a basic guide to the new Spin Doctor here.. The problem you're experiencing is likely due to the presence of some Bias VST plugins in your root>Library>Audio>Plugins>VST folder. These will be there if you have Bias Peak or other audio application from Bias other than SoundSoap. You'll need to temporarily remove those plugins while using Spin Doctor. Apparently Spin Doctor is trying to load those plugins when it should leave them alone and that is causing the crash. If you don't have any Bias plugins then some other audio VST plugins are likely the issue. What I've done is set up my main Mac for use with Bias apps and set up my MacBook Pro for use with Spin Doctor. I hope Roxio fixes this. They are aware of it.

 

 

I am having difficulty with Spin doctor X, version 1.0.1 When I open it up, I'm unable to set the recording level (greyed out). Just using the level which it is set at, I'm unable to make a recording, I get an error that states that an exception has occurred, failed to load resource, and forwards me to call Bias. I also am asked if I want to upgrade Soundsoap 2. Is the problem with my Soundsoap application? I do not see a Bias VST plugin.

Any ideas on problem solving?

Thank you, Allan

[tsantee]

I am having difficulty with Spin doctor X, version 1.0.1 When I open it up, I'm unable to set the recording level (greyed out). Just using the level which it is set at, I'm unable to make a recording, I get an error that states that an exception has occurred, failed to load resource, and forwards me to call Bias. I also am asked if I want to upgrade Soundsoap 2. Is the problem with my Soundsoap application? I do not see a Bias VST plugin.

Any ideas on problem solving?

Thank you, Allan

Spin Doctor X has conflicts with certain VST plugins from Bias. However, the Soundsoap plugin is not a conflict so I'm uncertain what is happening with your setup. Go to the QuickTime>Plugins>VST folders in both the root and user Libraries to see if there are any third party plugins present. Drag them out of the folder to the desktop and relaunch Spin Doctor again to see if this fixes the issue.

 

You can capture line-input audio without using Spin Doctor by using QuickTime Player instead. When that is saved the file can be opened in Spin Doctor for marking tracks.

[electric perk]

Thanks for your reply Mr. Tsantee. I was able to find a vat file called bias soundsoap.vst. As I said I do have a functioning Soundsoap 2. I deleted the file and trashed it. I tried a recording with Spin doctor x and didn't get the error that i previously had stated. I'm still unable to set my levels for recording. Auto level is greyed out, and i cannot move the slider for recording. not sure what that is about?

Thanks again,

[tsantee]

Thanks for your reply Mr. Tsantee. I was able to find a vat file called bias soundsoap.vst. As I said I do have a functioning Soundsoap 2. I deleted the file and trashed it. I tried a recording with Spin doctor x and didn't get the error that i previously had stated. I'm still unable to set my levels for recording. Auto level is greyed out, and i cannot move the slider for recording. not sure what that is about?

Thanks again,

You should be able to adjust the audio level when using a line input and possibly the microphone input. If you are using the streaming capture from the Internet or some other application then the audio level is not adjustable. I need to correct my previous post where I said the VST plugins are in a QuickTime folder in one or more of the Libraries when they are actually in an Audio folder. You already know that because you found yours. I thought SoundSoap was okay but I see that I've removed it as well. You only need to drag it out of that folder. It doesn't need to be trashed.

[electric perk]

You should be able to adjust the audio level when using a line input and possibly the microphone input. If you are using the streaming capture from the Internet or some other application then the audio level is not adjustable. I need to correct my previous post where I said the VST plugins are in a QuickTime folder in one or more of the Libraries when they are actually in an Audio folder. You already know that because you found yours. I thought SoundSoap was okay but I see that I've removed it as well. You only need to drag it out of that folder. It doesn't need to be trashed.

Mr. Tsantee. I tried to work with Spin Doctor but I'm finding too many errors in trying to digitize cassettes. I still wasn't able to adjust the recording level, and also when i was able to record an album the tracks were all weird with the wrong identification recording song title.

I decided to look for another application and found Vinyl Studio. So far so good. I'm able to digitize cassettes without any errors, adjust recording levels, and get accurate track listings, etc. The trial is only good for 5 albums, and then the cost is $30. This application seems to work without all the complications of Spin doctor X.

Thanks, Allan

[Fritzthatsit]

Electric Perk:

I don't blame you for your frustration with trying to work with Spin Doctor X. I too, found the "Vinyl Studio" software out of the U.K. It's actually a really great program and so reasonable in cost it's amazing. I used it for a period of time and was impressed with it's ability to zoom in on a loud pop or scratch and basically "smooth it out" to the point of being virtually undetectable. While you are working with cassettes, that isn't a consideration. Another thing I liked about it was the ability to increase the recording level. I am digitizing an assortment of LP's and 12" Singles, and the singles have a marked difference in recording level compared to the LP's. The LP's are "quieter" and with VS you can adjust this even with a USB device as the input. When I had some questions when I was first getting used to the program I was impressed at how quickly they responded to my emailed questions. Since I had worked with an old version of Spin Doctor on an old Mac, about half of my vast record collection had already been digitized with that. When I switched over to VS, I was never able to match the phonics of the two programs even with repeated experimentation with all the equalizers etc. So now that a few of the bugs have been worked out of Spin Doctor (only a few, still many more to go) I'm back to using that. I know that I just have to record one track at a time, and work within it's numerous limitations, but it is getting the job done. Once I get the reminder of my record collection digitized, I won't have to deal with it. That's probably when Roxio will decide to do right by their customers and fix everything.

 

 

 

Mr. Tsantee. I tried to work with Spin Doctor but I'm finding too many errors in trying to digitize cassettes. I still wasn't able to adjust the recording level, and also when i was able to record an album the tracks were all weird with the wrong identification recording song title.

I decided to look for another application and found Vinyl Studio. So far so good. I'm able to digitize cassettes without any errors, adjust recording levels, and get accurate track listings, etc. The trial is only good for 5 albums, and then the cost is $30. This application seems to work without all the complications of Spin doctor X.

Thanks, Allan

[Zoony]

My advice about the track trim feature in Toast is unrelated to what Spin Doctor X can or cannot do. I'm just pointing out that Toast has that ability to select a portion of a track in case you want to do it there instead of with Spin Doctor.

 

With the latest version of Spin Doctor X I have no trouble marking tracks. The waveform can be enlarged both horizontally and vertically (it's good to also zoom the window to full screen). Manually marking tracks is as simple as clicking and dragging. It is also easy to adjust the start and end points of a track with either the handles on the track markers or adjusting the time setting in the General tab. However, none of this seems to matter because any tracks I mark appear in Toast, iTunes or the hard drive as less than one second in length. If you click the Options button next to a track you'll see the option to save to disk as well as to send to iTunes or send to Toast. When sending to Toast it always goes to the audio CD window. I wish I could also send it to the Convert window. Of course, it isn't sending the full track which makes it all a waste of time.

 

The recording aspect of Spin Doctor X is an improvement over the previous version. But that's all that works correctly for me.

 

You mentioned "when sending to Toast it always goes to the audio CD window. I wish I could also send it to the Convert window".

 

I don't know if this would work for Spin Doctor X, but my solution in CD Spin Doctor (Toast 10) is to open Toast while Spin Doctor is still open. Select the Convert Window. Then drag the track from Spin Doctor to the Convert window. That seems to work for me - and also preserves the in and out points of the marked up track. Be interested to know if it works in Spin Doctor X!

[prl]

...

Defining the tracks on the waveform seems defective. Let’s say I define two tracks; the first is three minutes, and the second is four minutes. When I send the tracks to either Toast or iTunes, the track divisions do not work correctly. The second track will be correct, at four minutes. The first track, however, will be seven minutes, and it includes both the first and the second song. In other words, the first exported track contains the entire waveform, while the second track is correctly defined. I have not succeeded in getting the tracks to break correctly.

...

I've had this problem, too.

[tsantee]

Some more oddities in Spin Doctor X 1.0.1 (v582), OS X 10.6.8, MacBook Pro 2.26GHz:

• In Preferences>Advanced, I can't change the Scratch Location. Clicking on Choose does nothing. I can select in the Scratch Location typein box with the mouse, but typing does nothing. Workaround is to shut down Spin Doctor and open /Users/<myself>/Library/Preferences/com.roxio.spindoctorx.plist in Property List Editor and change the ISPreferenceKey_ScratchLocation property.
  
• In the Sources panel and looking at the Built-in Input, all the pre-set quality options (Voice Quality, CD Quality, etc) select 44100Hz, 16 bit, stereo when you look at them in the Options popup panel. Selecting the same presets in the Options panel also always chooses 44100Hz, 16 bit, stereo. I'd expect CD Quality to be 44100Hz, 16 bit, stereo and the others to be something different. Selecting custom settings changes the settings seen in the Options popup, but only after you've clicked on OK, and then gone back into the Options panel.
  
• No matter what the settings are in the Sources panel, recordings from the Built-in Input always show in the editor panel 44100Hz, 32 bit, stereo, even if the Options panel set a higher sampling rate than 44100Hz.
  
• When custom settings other than 44100Hz, 16 bit, stereo are chosen, and a recording started, the recording time often ticks over faster than real time.
  
• Pausing the recording pauses the recording time indicator and the size indicator, but doesn't seem to actually pause the recording. When you click it again to "resume" the recording, the recording time and recording size jump forward, and the recording itself contains material recorded while the recording was "paused".
  
• As noted by others, Track Duration in the track selection panel is completely, utterly, totally, irredeemably broken.
  

 

Some wishes:

• Make CD Quality the default quality setting, or have the default quality setting set in Preferences (assuming that the pre-set quality settings are changed so that they actually have different sampling settings).
  
• Remember the Quality setting from one recording to another in the same run of Spin Doctor, so you can more conveniently do a set of recordings at the same quality. Currently, each new recording is initially Voice Quality (which I assume should be something like 8kHz, 16 bits, stereo).
  
• Allow <Enter> to start/pause a recording as well as clicking on the Rec/Pause button, assuming that Pause is made to work properly.
  

Astonishing. And sad.

[prl]

Some more oddities in Spin Doctor X 1.0.1 (v582), OS X 10.6.8, MacBook Pro 2.26GHz:

• In Preferences>Advanced, I can't change the Scratch Location. Clicking on Choose does nothing. I can select in the Scratch Location typein box with the mouse, but typing does nothing. Workaround is to shut down Spin Doctor and open /Users/<myself>/Library/Preferences/com.roxio.spindoctorx.plist in Property List Editor and change the ISPreferenceKey_ScratchLocation property.
  
• In the Sources panel and looking at the Built-in Input, all the pre-set quality options (Voice Quality, CD Quality, etc) select 44100Hz, 16 bit, stereo when you look at them in the Options popup panel. Selecting the same presets in the Options panel also always chooses 44100Hz, 16 bit, stereo. I'd expect CD Quality to be 44100Hz, 16 bit, stereo and the others to be something different. Selecting custom settings changes the settings seen in the Options popup, but only after you've clicked on OK, and then gone back into the Options panel.
  
• No matter what the settings are in the Sources panel, recordings from the Built-in Input always show in the editor panel 44100Hz, 32 bit, stereo, even if the Options panel set a higher sampling rate than 44100Hz.
  
• When custom settings other than 44100Hz, 16 bit, stereo are chosen, and a recording started, the recording time often ticks over faster than real time.
  
• Pausing the recording pauses the recording time indicator and the size indicator, but doesn't seem to actually pause the recording. When you click it again to "resume" the recording, the recording time and recording size jump forward, and the recording itself contains material recorded while the recording was "paused".
  
• As noted by others, Track Duration in the track selection panel is completely, utterly, totally, irredeemably broken.
  

 

Some wishes:

• Make CD Quality the default quality setting, or have the default quality setting set in Preferences (assuming that the pre-set quality settings are changed so that they actually have different sampling settings).
  
• Remember the Quality setting from one recording to another in the same run of Spin Doctor, so you can more conveniently do a set of recordings at the same quality. Currently, each new recording is initially Voice Quality (which I assume should be something like 8kHz, 16 bits, stereo).
  
• Allow <Enter> to start/pause a recording as well as clicking on the Rec/Pause button, assuming that Pause is made to work properly.
  

[tsantee]

Many thanks again for your reply. The editing in CD Spin Doctor (Toast 10) has always been very convenient and quick. In the waveform window, you just drag the 'In' and 'Out' points to where you want the track to begin and end, you then 'save-to-disk' and it's done! (Unfortunately - this is the feature that has gone wrong and apparently can't be fixed!). Using the zoom feature and 'seeing' the waveform is necessary as this way you can edit very accurately where you want the saved track to start and end. So if I upgraded to Toast 11 with Spin Doctor X, are you saying that feature doesn't exist? Or it has to be done in Toast rather than within Spin Doctor itself? If that's so, that sounds a backwards step! My workaround (dragging the edited track to Toast > Convert Audio Files) does the job - but it's not as a quick as 'save to disk', the way it is supposed to work! I still have no idea why this has gone wrong, or why uninstalling and re-installing doesn't fix it. Perhaps there is an unknown plist file somewhere. May be a coincidence, but it went wrong after an Apple update!

My advice about the track trim feature in Toast is unrelated to what Spin Doctor X can or cannot do. I'm just pointing out that Toast has that ability to select a portion of a track in case you want to do it there instead of with Spin Doctor.

 

With the latest version of Spin Doctor X I have no trouble marking tracks. The waveform can be enlarged both horizontally and vertically (it's good to also zoom the window to full screen). Manually marking tracks is as simple as clicking and dragging. It is also easy to adjust the start and end points of a track with either the handles on the track markers or adjusting the time setting in the General tab. However, none of this seems to matter because any tracks I mark appear in Toast, iTunes or the hard drive as less than one second in length. If you click the Options button next to a track you'll see the option to save to disk as well as to send to iTunes or send to Toast. When sending to Toast it always goes to the audio CD window. I wish I could also send it to the Convert window. Of course, it isn't sending the full track which makes it all a waste of time.

 

The recording aspect of Spin Doctor X is an improvement over the previous version. But that's all that works correctly for me.

[Zoony]

I appreciate your finding a workaround and sharing it. I, too, am wondering why the problem exists in the first place. With the exception of what I consider an unfinished Spin Doctor X I am pleased overall with Toast 11. I wish I had some inside knowledge about what Roxio is planning to do about Spin Doctor X. It seems Roxio is very understaffed on the Mac software side and has one person who is allowed to work on Spin Doctor only on his/her lunch breaks. Obviously that's in jest. I'm sure it can be worked on during coffee breaks, too. At first I was glad to hear they rewrote Spin Doctor from the ground up. It needed it. I want this new version to work as intended.

 

As for your track editing, since you aren't trying to create multiple tracks you can instead use the track trim feature in Toast. Make sure "Show advanced audio mastering settings" is selected in the Audio tab of Toast Preferences. The track trim appears by clicking on the time length of the track and selecting Track Trim from the popup window. If you need to see the waveform to determine a start or stop time click the left (for start) or right (for end) Fades button and choose Custom.

 

Many thanks again for your reply. The editing in CD Spin Doctor (Toast 10) has always been very convenient and quick. In the waveform window, you just drag the 'In' and 'Out' points to where you want the track to begin and end, you then 'save-to-disk' and it's done! (Unfortunately - this is the feature that has gone wrong and apparently can't be fixed!). Using the zoom feature and 'seeing' the waveform is necessary as this way you can edit very accurately where you want the saved track to start and end. So if I upgraded to Toast 11 with Spin Doctor X, are you saying that feature doesn't exist? Or it has to be done in Toast rather than within Spin Doctor itself? If that's so, that sounds a backwards step! My workaround (dragging the edited track to Toast > Convert Audio Files) does the job - but it's not as a quick as 'save to disk', the way it is supposed to work! I still have no idea why this has gone wrong, or why uninstalling and re-installing doesn't fix it. Perhaps there is an unknown plist file somewhere. May be a coincidence, but it went wrong after an Apple update!

[tsantee]

Many thanks for the reply, especially while on vacation! Really sorry to bother you! Just to let you know, I tried you suggestion and yes you can drag the track to the desktop from the list. Unfortunately it's still saving the wrong part - not the selected track. It saves from the very beginning of the captured waveform, not the in-point of the highlighted track. BUT following your idea - if I drag it to Toast instead of desktop, (Convert option), the in and out points of selected track are exactly right as intended. I can then save it as an edited track. It's long-winded, but at least a workaround! No idea why 'save to disk' has suddenly stopped working properly. Just wondered what you think of Toast 11? I've read your tips and trick and wondered how you find it for editing a track? Just to explain, I don't use multiple tracks or auto-define. I just like to record audio as a single track, then manually trim the start and end before saving it. Sorry to bother you again. Many thanks again. Grateful for any thoughts when you have time to reply!

I appreciate your finding a workaround and sharing it. I, too, am wondering why the problem exists in the first place. With the exception of what I consider an unfinished Spin Doctor X I am pleased overall with Toast 11. I wish I had some inside knowledge about what Roxio is planning to do about Spin Doctor X. It seems Roxio is very understaffed on the Mac software side and has one person who is allowed to work on Spin Doctor only on his/her lunch breaks. Obviously that's in jest. I'm sure it can be worked on during coffee breaks, too. At first I was glad to hear they rewrote Spin Doctor from the ground up. It needed it. I want this new version to work as intended.

 

As for your track editing, since you aren't trying to create multiple tracks you can instead use the track trim feature in Toast. Make sure "Show advanced audio mastering settings" is selected in the Audio tab of Toast Preferences. The track trim appears by clicking on the time length of the track and selecting Track Trim from the popup window. If you need to see the waveform to determine a start or stop time click the left (for start) or right (for end) Fades button and choose Custom.

[Zoony]

Try selecting the track in the track list and dragging it to the desktop. I need to do some toying with this but I'm on vacation and don't have the time right now. As I recall you can save to the hard drive by dragging the track, but you drag from the list where the titles are rather than from the waveform.

Many thanks for the reply, especially while on vacation! Really sorry to bother you! Just to let you know, I tried you suggestion and yes you can drag the track to the desktop from the list. Unfortunately it's still saving the wrong part - not the selected track. It saves from the very beginning of the captured waveform, not the in-point of the highlighted track. BUT following your idea - if I drag it to Toast instead of desktop, (Convert option), the in and out points of selected track are exactly right as intended. I can then save it as an edited track. It's long-winded, but at least a workaround! No idea why 'save to disk' has suddenly stopped working properly. Just wondered what you think of Toast 11? I've read your tips and trick and wondered how you find it for editing a track? Just to explain, I don't use multiple tracks or auto-define. I just like to record audio as a single track, then manually trim the start and end before saving it. Sorry to bother you again. Many thanks again. Grateful for any thoughts when you have time to reply!