Videowave Works Too Slow+Codec Pack Conflicts

[June8]

Hi ,

 

This problem was exists in 2010 and as same as in Creator 2012.

Videowave getting slower and slower as long as adding effects like trimming, splitting and transitioning. At the end, it has no reaction about 10 secs. to 3 mins and/or can not move the slider to watch the movie and all kind of response time getting higher and crashing at the end.

 

For example working with the 1-2 hour movie; every splitting, adding edited audio or transitioning slow down videowave more and more. Let say, had 7-15 split points, 5-6 audio (approx. 3 mins each) and transition effects between each split points. FF or rewinding nearly impossible or have to wait 10 secs to 2 mins to react. Saving the project, especially re-editing or trying the change things in already splitted/edited part is a nightmare. I have to wait much longer for the same thing when getting closer to finish the production, which was doing so fast in the beginning. Its getting frustrating to wait and finally force windows to close down the videowave and restart again. But nothing changes much. As long as working with, as much as getting slower.

 

I had Asus P8Z68V-Pro motherboard with on-board graphics, plus Ati HD6970 graphics card, I7-2600k working on 4.5Mhz and 8Gb- 2000MHz Corsair ram modules with Win7 x64. I don't know what else make it work videowave faster. I already in IT business and try many things. I am quite sure that nothing wrong with my Win7 system. I already have another Win7 freshly installed on another HDD in the same machine. I never had problems when dealing with audio editing of EMC but video editing is make my hair pull out. I can use professionally, I know everything about it but I really thinking to start looking for another program like Premiere, or so, even I have to learn everyting about the new program from the beginning

Same thing happens and its a much worse scenario working on my sister's laptop. Somehow she deals with it but I simply deny using videowave in her laptop because the program can not catch my working speed.

 

 

Second thing is I am using Shark 007 windows codec pack and its x64 components for ffdshow, subtitles, DXVA etc. because this machine is a HTPC. This codec pack already has everything in it but EMC simply deny to install itself when I prevent it to install its bundled Divx pack. Because Win codec pack has divx (and updates regulary) and it has conflicts when EMC installs its own Divx pack. Because Divx packs also includes QT4, Mpeg2 etc (Somehow I solve the conflct problem with cineplayer codec pack) Even I unsinstall whole EMC's divx pack after finished installing the whole EMC2012.

 

As far as I know Windows doesn't like same codec or codec packs more than once in it. WMP or WMC starts making problems. I don't understand why EMC doesn't check system and use the things already installed and try to install whats missing like it does for Net Framework and DirectX.

 

Any ideas appreciated.

Thanks

[gi7omy]

A couple of quick questions

 

I assume that you're running your CPU at 4.5 GHz (not 4.5 MHz which I haven't seen since XT days). However, that CPU is arted at 3.4 GHz which means you are overclocking it by 25% and that alone can cause problems if you simply increased the clock speed of the system bus (everything will be stressed)

 

You have defragged your hard drive haven't you prior to rendering? If the heads have to skip round platters looking for the next bit of the data, then things WILL slow down

 

You did close down any background apps? 8 GB of RAM may seem a lot, but if a chunk of it is being syphoned off to run something else, then the system will start paging to the swapfile (again slowing things down)

 

One final note - as DivX is actually owned by Roxio, what is installed is the original, untweaked, version. If you are installing OEM versions from other sources, then there will be clashes. To blame the makers of the software for their OWN software being 'non-standard' is to me just a tad on the ludicrous side

[sknis]

One other thing if I may. When you notice the program slowing down, go to the top menu and select tools then option and then clear proxy files. Therer are temporary files that are roadmaps to all the changes you made during this editing session. By clearing those temp filoes, you get rid of all that changed and rechanged parts of the roadmap. Don't worry, the proxy files are almost immediately rebuild with only what is in the project now.

 

Usually rebooting the computer does the clearing but it may not be happening for you.

 

Editing AVI file are usually a lot faster than trying to edit mpg2 files. What format are your resource files?

 

BTW, are you using the ATI card or the on-board graphics. The ATI card should be very fast,

[June8]

A couple of quick questions

 

I assume that you're running your CPU at 4.5 GHz (not 4.5 MHz which I haven't seen since XT days). However, that CPU is arted at 3.4 GHz which means you are overclocking it by 25% and that alone can cause problems if you simply increased the clock speed of the system bus (everything will be stressed)

 

You have defragged your hard drive haven't you prior to rendering? If the heads have to skip round platters looking for the next bit of the data, then things WILL slow down

 

You did close down any background apps? 8 GB of RAM may seem a lot, but if a chunk of it is being syphoned off to run something else, then the system will start paging to the swapfile (again slowing things down)

 

One final note - as DivX is actually owned by Roxio, what is installed is the original, untweaked, version. If you are installing OEM versions from other sources, then there will be clashes. To blame the makers of the software for their OWN software being 'non-standard' is to me just a tad on the ludicrous side

 

 

 

First of all,

Thanks for answering. At least it will gave me some ideas. Let me answer you;

 

[i assume that you're running your CPU at 4.5 GHz....[/color]means you are overclocking it by 25% and that alone can cause problems if you simply increased the clock speed of the system bus] : No not just increasing the clock rate. System has its own oc program automaticly when I push the oc button it checks and adjust most effective settings but I found out switching a little bit these auto settings so system work most reliable and stabil. Its not just increasing the clock speed. BCLK increased from 100 to 103 clock speed 34 to 44 some voltage and pll adjustments. Also some adjustments on vrm phase control, load-line calibration and cooling system. Ram clocks slowed down to 1866Mhz but tighter latency times.

 

My previous system was socket 1366 based but it was pretty much the same.

[You have defragged your hard drive haven't you prior to rendering?] It is interesting I did not check this before rendering because, I have Tuneup utilities & Win7 Manager to take care of maintenance. Weekly scheduled for cleaning, checking registry, defraging etc.

 

Then I checked again. My system drive is SSD. I had 1TB drive for multimedia and another one for storage. After I read your answer I checked them and saw that none of them need degragmentation. It was only 1.7% so defrag not needed. Do I still have to defrag before rendering? BTW: All my works related to Roxio is in storage drive not in the main system drive. Is it makes any slowing things down?

 

[You did close down any background apps?] Yes. I turned the "Turbo mode" before working with Roxio and system shuts down everything including unused services and win7's shinny effects, switching to classic mode etc. Yes 8Gb is a lot and normally system is using 20-25% more or less.

 

So I don't know what else I should have to do?

A quick question: I have enough memory so, is it helps If I deactivate virtual memory, swapping to pagefile and enabled to keep driver and system core to keep in memory? Afaik most people recommends that don't mess with that because windows wants to manage this but as long as I have enough memory, keeping it in the memory prevents paging to drive and make things faster. What do you think?

 

About DivX: I didn't meant to blame somebody, I am sorry if if I seems it that way.

After all those years, all the developments, this codec problems still goes on and its frustrating. Please take that like to pour out mine grievances :-)

 

I used Shark007 Win7 codec pack and x64 components to play mkv, bluray, h264 etc (and other which windows not natively playing).... and for subtitles. Because it has divx codecs in it, so having installed that divx codecs and the Roxio's divx codec pack at the same time, makes system conflicts or not?. I don't have enough knowledge about this. The guy from Win7 codecs says the pack have all codecs and set them the best options to play everthing and recommends not to install anything else individually to prevent conflicts and crashing something. Thats because this codec thing is fragile and I don't want to mess with them.

I will appreciate if you can help me out about this.

 

Thank you very much.

[June8]

One other thing if I may. When you notice the program slowing down, go to the top menu and select tools then option and then clear proxy files. Therer are temporary files that are roadmaps to all the changes you made during this editing session. By clearing those temp filoes, you get rid of all that changed and rechanged parts of the roadmap. Don't worry, the proxy files are almost immediately rebuild with only what is in the project now.

 

Usually rebooting the computer does the clearing but it may not be happening for you.

 

Editing AVI file are usually a lot faster than trying to edit mpg2 files. What format are your resource files?

 

BTW, are you using the ATI card or the on-board graphics. The ATI card should be very fast,

 

 

Hey. thank you. I didn't know that. So I will try to clear the proxy files and hope that it will help.

I use different formats. I didn't take care of it of the other formats but definitly this problem occurs whan I working with mpeg2 files. The camera shootings transfered from the 8'' dvd's and/or sd card. They all dvd format.

Is there any recommendation when working with this kind of files?

 

I use ATI card (I assume). In options of Roxio "Use discrete graphics hardware and Intel Quicksync" is selected.

 

Thank you

[sknis]

Hey. thank you. I didn't know that. So I will try to clear the proxy files and hope that it will help.

I use different formats. I didn't take care of it of the other formats but definitly this problem occurs whan I working with mpeg2 files. The camera shootings transfered from the 8'' dvd's and/or sd card. They all dvd format.

Is there any recommendation when working with this kind of files?

 

I use ATI card (I assume). In options of Roxio "Use discrete graphics hardware and Intel Quicksync" is selected.

 

Thank you

 

What is the format from the cameras?

 

Re: Graphics So you don't see this?

[June8]

What is the format from the cameras?

 

Re: Graphics So you don't see this?

 

Yes, I see that. (Sorry I mentioned incorrectly before) Exactly the same after checking graphic test.

The format is Vob files from cameras