Ntsc No Video, Pal Video Capture

[BlackEagle]

Hello all;

I just installed Easy VHS to DVD. My computer exceeds the minimum requirements for the programme. Checking in device manager both Roxio Video Capture USB and USB 2861 Device are installed, with no apparent problems. One of the reasons I settled on Roxio was that it says on the box it automatically detects whether the input is NTSC or PAL. I have tapes of both types. When I put a PAL tape in the player, I get both sound and video. The system seems to work perfectly. When I put an NTSC tape in I get a brief flash of picture before the picture goes black and the No Video Signal message comes on.

 

I have tried front and back usb ports, have tried changing the cable from the VCR to the capture device, all with the same results. How can I get this to capture NTSC video and sound?

 

Using Pinnacle with the same setup, I get perfect PAL pictures, and with NTSC I get a flash of colour picture, then it turns black and white.

Can you help me get a video input with ROXIO and NTSC format tapes?

Thanks.

[ogdens]

Hello all;

I just installed Easy VHS to DVD. My computer exceeds the minimum requirements for the programme. Checking in device manager both Roxio Video Capture USB and USB 2861 Device are installed, with no apparent problems. One of the reasons I settled on Roxio was that it says on the box it automatically detects whether the input is NTSC or PAL. I have tapes of both types. When I put a PAL tape in the player, I get both sound and video. The system seems to work perfectly. When I put an NTSC tape in I get a brief flash of picture before the picture goes black and the No Video Signal message comes on.

 

I have tried front and back usb ports, have tried changing the cable from the VCR to the capture device, all with the same results. How can I get this to capture NTSC video and sound?

 

Using Pinnacle with the same setup, I get perfect PAL pictures, and with NTSC I get a flash of colour picture, then it turns black and white.

Can you help me get a video input with ROXIO and NTSC format tapes?

Thanks.

 

Does this happen with other NTSC tapes?

 

Edit

 

What is the make and model # of your VCR .I'm sure there was a thread on here were the output of the VHS player had to be set for Pal/NTSC .

Edited January 3, 2012 by ogdens

[sknis]

Des your DVD palyer handles both PAL and NTSC tapes?

[Jim_Hardin]

If BOTH Roxio & Pinnacle give the same results I am smelling a SCART Connector problem

 

Here are a few that our UK users recommended:

 

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[BlackEagle]

Hi all;

Thanks very much for the quick replys.

Ogdens: It does happen with other NTSC tapes.

 

Sknis: Yes. This is a Samsung VideoPlus VHS SV243B. It says on the front videotape "door" "PDC/VPS. Child Door Lock. NTSC Playback. Intelligent Picture Control.

 

Jim Hardin: I don't think it's SCART.

I tried one of the adaptors you mentioned...just happened to have one downstairs on my son's video game. No difference. I tried two other scart cables with the same results. The only other form of output on this VCR is RF.

As long as I have a PAL tape in, if the tape is not playing, I get a blue screen: roxio1.jpg.

If the tape is playing, I get good video: roxio2.jpg

If an NTSC tape is inserted but not playing I get the same as roxio1.

If an NTSC tape is playing I get this: roxio3

I also note that while playing the NTSC tape a flash of video comes through before the screen goes black and the No Video Signal message appears. Until the screen goes black the audio bars register, but when the screen goes black the audio level bars go grey.

 

To me it appears that yes, indeed Roxio can differentiate between PAL and NTSC, and if it senses NTSC it goes on strike.

[ogdens]

Hi all;

Thanks very much for the quick replys.

Ogdens: It does happen with other NTSC tapes.

 

Sknis: Yes. This is a Samsung VideoPlus VHS SV243B. It says on the front videotape "door" "PDC/VPS. Child Door Lock. NTSC Playback. Intelligent Picture Control.

 

Jim Hardin: I don't think it's SCART.

I tried one of the adaptors you mentioned...just happened to have one downstairs on my son's video game. No difference. I tried two other scart cables with the same results. The only other form of output on this VCR is RF.

As long as I have a PAL tape in, if the tape is not playing, I get a blue screen: roxio1.jpg.

If the tape is playing, I get good video: roxio2.jpg

If an NTSC tape is inserted but not playing I get the same as roxio1.

If an NTSC tape is playing I get this: roxio3

I also note that while playing the NTSC tape a flash of video comes through before the screen goes black and the No Video Signal message appears. Until the screen goes black the audio bars register, but when the screen goes black the audio level bars go grey.

 

To me it appears that yes, indeed Roxio can differentiate between PAL and NTSC, and if it senses NTSC it goes on strike.

 

 

Read my edit in post #2. It maybe applicable.

[bimicher]

Hi all;

Thanks very much for the quick replys.

Ogdens: It does happen with other NTSC tapes.

 

Sknis: Yes. This is a Samsung VideoPlus VHS SV243B. It says on the front videotape "door" "PDC/VPS. Child Door Lock. NTSC Playback. Intelligent Picture Control.

 

Jim Hardin: I don't think it's SCART.

I tried one of the adaptors you mentioned...just happened to have one downstairs on my son's video game. No difference. I tried two other scart cables with the same results. The only other form of output on this VCR is RF.

As long as I have a PAL tape in, if the tape is not playing, I get a blue screen: roxio1.jpg.

If the tape is playing, I get good video: roxio2.jpg

If an NTSC tape is inserted but not playing I get the same as roxio1.

If an NTSC tape is playing I get this: roxio3

I also note that while playing the NTSC tape a flash of video comes through before the screen goes black and the No Video Signal message appears. Until the screen goes black the audio bars register, but when the screen goes black the audio level bars go grey.

 

To me it appears that yes, indeed Roxio can differentiate between PAL and NTSC, and if it senses NTSC it goes on strike.

 

So what happens when you hook up the VCR to a TV and play a NTSC tape?

 

Is the NTSC tape a commercial VHS tape? Could copy protection be interfering?

[BlackEagle]

So what happens when you hook up the VCR to a TV and play a NTSC tape?

 

Is the NTSC tape a commercial VHS tape? Could copy protection be interfering?

 

Thanks for the quick reply, Myguggi;

NTSC and PAL tapes play equally well on a TV.

Commercial and non-commercial NTSC tapes play equally well on TV, and equally unwell on Roxio.

 

Can they copy-protect video-tapes?

Edited January 3, 2012 by BlackEagle

[BlackEagle]

Read my edit in post #2. It maybe applicable.

Thanks Ogdens,

I checked the setup menus on the VCR. There is a setting that allows the user to set the colour system to Auto, B/W, or PAL. I've messed with this and it always reverts to Auto. I switched back and forth between NTSC and PAL tapes on TV and had to make no menu changes. The VCR made the adjustment with no problems.

[BlackEagle]

I note that del cambo had a similar problem last July My link. It sounds like he was in the US. Did his problem ever get resolved? There were only 3 replies to his post.

 

You gurus see a lot more than I have in my 2-3 hours on this forum. Is this NTSC thing a regularly recurring problem?

 

A search for "no video" turns up 730 threads, and if most of these are NTSC issues Roxio needs to look into it and make a fix, instead of having you hard working volunteers and us neophytes banging our collective heads on our walls.

 

I'm grateful for your fast response, and am awed at the amount of work you must put in on this forum, sometimes answering some really dumb questions.

[ogdens]

I note that del cambo had a similar problem last July My link. It sounds like he was in the US. Did his problem ever get resolved? There were only 3 replies to his post.

 

You gurus see a lot more than I have in my 2-3 hours on this forum. Is this NTSC thing a regularly recurring problem?

 

A search for "no video" turns up 730 threads, and if most of these are NTSC issues Roxio needs to look into it and make a fix, instead of having you hard working volunteers and us neophytes banging our collective heads on our walls.

 

I'm grateful for your fast response, and am awed at the amount of work you must put in on this forum, sometimes answering some really dumb questions.

 

 

Thats the one I was looking for (thanks for finding it).

 

That post is similar to yours, anyway have a look at this https://support.panasonic.co.nz/docstore/NVSJ200%20book.pdf pages 13/14/17 and see if anything in there will help you.

 

Regards, Ogdens

[Jim_Hardin]

I note that del cambo had a similar problem last July My link. It sounds like he was in the US. Did his problem ever get resolved? There were only 3 replies to his post.

 

You gurus see a lot more than I have in my 2-3 hours on this forum. Is this NTSC thing a regularly recurring problem?

 

A search for "no video" turns up 730 threads, and if most of these are NTSC issues Roxio needs to look into it and make a fix, instead of having you hard working volunteers and us neophytes banging our collective heads on our walls.

 

I'm grateful for your fast response, and am awed at the amount of work you must put in on this forum, sometimes answering some really dumb questions.

 

The problem appears to be at your end... You state that the same problem exists even when using 2 completly different software and hardware packages.

 

The 'flash' of video followed by black is a reoccuring theme when using the wrong SCART connection. We have suggest you connect in other ways, TV, DVD Player as a test but you insist on trying out think every suggestion rather than simply test.

 

Not much we can do with that

[BlackEagle]

Thats the one I was looking for (thanks for finding it).

 

That post is similar to yours, anyway have a look at this https://support.panasonic.co.nz/docstore/NVSJ200%20book.pdf pages 13/14/17 and see if anything in there will help you.

 

Regards, Ogdens

Thanks for that, Ogdens.

I had a look, my vcr doesn't give the option of manually selecting NTSC anywhere in its simple menu scheme. The only option for setting output is in user settings, and as I said, I can set it to PAL, B/W, or auto, but when I'm playing a tape it reverts to auto automatically. It does play PAL and/or NTSC tapes on TV with no problem at all. It switches back and forth all by itself.

 

As I said before, can you guys have a look to see if this is predominantly an NTSC problem? Does Roxio have a problem with NTSC format? 730 posts on this one issue is fairly significant. Is there anyway to tell where these posts are coming from?

 

thanks again all, my brain is turning to mush. I'll check again tomorrow to see if anyone has come up with any other ideas.

Goodnight and thanks for the chat.

 

Thanks again.

[bimicher]

Thanks for that, Ogdens.

I had a look, my vcr doesn't give the option of manually selecting NTSC anywhere in its simple menu scheme. The only option for setting output is in user settings, and as I said, I can set it to PAL, B/W, or auto, but when I'm playing a tape it reverts to auto automatically. It does play PAL and/or NTSC tapes on TV with no problem at all. It switches back and forth all by itself.

 

As I said before, can you guys have a look to see if this is predominantly an NTSC problem? Does Roxio have a problem with NTSC format? 730 posts on this one issue is fairly significant. Is there anyway to tell where these posts are coming from?

 

thanks again all, my brain is turning to mush. I'll check again tomorrow to see if anyone has come up with any other ideas.

Goodnight and thanks for the chat.

 

Thanks again.

 

Roxio has no problems with NTSC. I don't see where you get the number 730 for NTSC problems. The problem is with your tape and/or setup. As Jim said, 2 different programs give the same results.

[ogdens]

I cant find any info on the Samsung VHS SV243b, is that the right model number?.

[BlackEagle]

Roxio has no problems with NTSC. I don't see where you get the number 730 for NTSC problems. The problem is with your tape and/or setup. As Jim said, 2 different programs give the same results.

Hi Miguggi;

 

Thanks for persisting. I know you have a lot going on.

 

I apologise if I communicated the wrong thing re: NTSC problems. I did a search for "no video" on this forum and came up with something like 730 results. I am curious: are they predominantly PAL, NTSC, or generic problems. If a preponderance of the no video problems are from people with NTSC tapes, it could indicate that Roxio has a problem with NTSC format.

 

As it happens, I have an old American portable TV with videotape player, with RCA video and audio outputs. I hooked it up to the Roxio unit and software and got "No Video Signal" straight away. I hooked it up to the Pinnacle outfit and was able to capture the video tape with no problem. That TV will not work forever, so I want to get an alternative working before it dies on me. Furthermore, Pinnacle takes two hours to render a 1 hour video...it's slow and I would like to find a faster process; was hoping Roxio would be faster.

 

Thanks again for all the work you are doing on this forum. I know it must be frustrating sometimes.

[BlackEagle]

I cant find any info on the Samsung VHS SV243b, is that the right model number?.

 

Hi Ogdens;

Thanks so much for looking. It is a UK (PAL) model; I took the information right off the VCR. I just double checked...it's correct.

A google search finds several for sale, but documentation is thin on the ground, even on the UK Samsung site. I found one site that will be happy to sell me something that sounds lik a user manual, but I don't see an obvious price or product description so I'll avoid it.

Edited January 5, 2012 by BlackEagle

[ogdens]

Hi Miguggi;

 

Thanks for persisting. I know you have a lot going on.

 

I apologise if I communicated the wrong thing re: NTSC problems. I did a search for "no video" on this forum and came up with something like 730 results. I am curious: are they predominantly PAL, NTSC, or generic problems. If a preponderance of the no video problems are from people with NTSC tapes, it could indicate that Roxio has a problem with NTSC format.

 

As it happens, I have an old American portable TV with videotape player, with RCA video and audio outputs. I hooked it up to the Roxio unit and software and got "No Video Signal" straight away. I hooked it up to the Pinnacle outfit and was able to capture the video tape with no problem. That TV will not work forever, so I want to get an alternative working before it dies on me. Furthermore, Pinnacle takes two hours to render a 1 hour video...it's slow and I would like to find a faster process; was hoping Roxio would be faster.

 

Thanks again for all the work you are doing on this forum. I know it must be frustrating sometimes.

 

 

I did a search on this forum for "ntsc" (there is 1000) and if you read them you will find the majority of them are "generic".

 

Read some.

 

I have been on this forum for many years and this type of problem is a "first".

 

My gut feeling is it is a setting problem in your VCR unit, but as I can't find a user manual for that model I can't confirm.

 

Do you have a manual......have you gone over it very carefully.....I/we are running out of ideas.

[bimicher]

Hi Miguggi;

 

Thanks for persisting. I know you have a lot going on.

 

I apologise if I communicated the wrong thing re: NTSC problems. I did a search for "no video" on this forum and came up with something like 730 results. I am curious: are they predominantly PAL, NTSC, or generic problems. If a preponderance of the no video problems are from people with NTSC tapes, it could indicate that Roxio has a problem with NTSC format.

 

As it happens, I have an old American portable TV with videotape player, with RCA video and audio outputs. I hooked it up to the Roxio unit and software and got "No Video Signal" straight away. I hooked it up to the Pinnacle outfit and was able to capture the video tape with no problem. That TV will not work forever, so I want to get an alternative working before it dies on me. Furthermore, Pinnacle takes two hours to render a 1 hour video...it's slow and I would like to find a faster process; was hoping Roxio would be faster.

 

Thanks again for all the work you are doing on this forum. I know it must be frustrating sometimes.

 

The fact that "a preponderance of the no video problems are from people with NTSC tapes" as compared to PAL problems is because most posters are from North America and have NTSC systems.

 

For what it's worth: I am sure that VHS2DVD will not render the video any faster then Pinnacle. Encoding video is not a 1;1 process but can take a lot of time depending on settings, your system etc.

Edited January 5, 2012 by myguggi

[BlackEagle]

I did a search on this forum for "ntsc" (there is 1000) and if you read them you will find the majority of them are "generic".

 

Read some.

 

I have been on this forum for many years and this type of problem is a "first".

 

My gut feeling is it is a setting problem in your VCR unit, but as I can't find a user manual for that model I can't confirm.

 

Do you have a manual......have you gone over it very carefully.....I/we are running out of ideas.

I don't have a manual for this unit. It belongs to my son, and he jettisoned extra baggage like user guides long ago. As I said, it has a very simple menu system, with only a few user adjustable settings. It's a little more complex than the Roxio easy vhs to dvd set of options. :-)

 

I think it's not a problem with the vcr settings because Roxio gives the same response with my American TV as it gives with the vcr, but Pinnacle works with the TV. In fact, I can select the Roxio device in Pinnacle and get NTSC video from the TV in colour, but no sound. But that's another can of worms I don't want to get into now.

 

The whole thing just leaves me puzzled...the vcr works flawlessley with both NTSC and PAL tapes on a TV, but only PAL on the computer, although for about a half second I get video in colour from NTSC tapes before something kicks in and stops the video signal.

 

Is there a way of telling where people are posting from? Most people from the US will not even know about PAL vs NTSC, and just complain about not getting a video signal. NTSC would never enter thier minds, although I see some were worried about whether the system would work on 60 hz or not. The same would be true for those from the UK, so almost all would appear as a generic problem. I expect it would be almost impossible to tell from past posts, but it would be interesting to see in future if it is an NTSC or PAL system that is not getting video. As pointed out above I have seen only one thread that resembles my problem.

 

Is this forum primarily based in the US or UK?

 

I will try a couple of other things in the next day or two.

 

Thanks again for all your help and thinking.

[BlackEagle]

The fact that "a preponderance of the no video problems are from people with NTSC tapes" as compared to PAL problems is because most posters are from North America and have NTSC systems.

 

For what it's worth: I am sure that VHS2DVD will not render the video any faster then Pinnacle. Encoding video is not a 1;1 process but can take a lot of time depending on settings, your system etc.

 

Thanks, Myguggi;

 

You were replying at the same time I was working on my response to Ogdens. I'm glad to hear your "for what it's worth" comment re: rendering time. I was hoping different software would have a different method and speed of rendering. Boxes don't tell us that kind of thing, and I haven't discovered any "shoot out" reviews of this type of thing.

As I said, I have a couple of other things I can try out. I would like to put Roxio on another computer to see if it will work any better; I will try using another VCR, and any other thing I can think of in the next few days. Meanwhile, I'll keep my eye pealed for notifications from this forum, to see if you-all have any more ideas.

 

My brain is once again turning to mush and I need to call it quits for the night.

 

Thanks again, all, for persevering not just with me, but with all the others here.

[ogdens]

Thanks, Myguggi;

 

You were replying at the same time I was working on my response to Ogdens. I'm glad to hear your "for what it's worth" comment re: rendering time. I was hoping different software would have a different method and speed of rendering. Boxes don't tell us that kind of thing, and I haven't discovered any "shoot out" reviews of this type of thing.

As I said, I have a couple of other things I can try out. I would like to put Roxio on another computer to see if it will work any better; I will try using another VCR, and any other thing I can think of in the next few days. Meanwhile, I'll keep my eye pealed for notifications from this forum, to see if you-all have any more ideas.

 

My brain is once again turning to mush and I need to call it quits for the night.

 

Thanks again, all, for persevering not just with me, but with all the others here.

 

 

Have you tried contacting Support http://www.roxio.com...ny/contact.html ....its worth a try.

 

Here is the info http://www.roxio.com...ny/contact.html .

Edited January 6, 2012 by ogdens

[BlackEagle]

Have you tried contacting Support http://www.roxio.com...ny/contact.html ....its worth a try.

 

Here is the info http://www.roxio.com...ny/contact.html .

Thanks Ogdens;

That is something I will probably have to do. My experience with tech support is that it does, sometimes.

I'll maybe refer them to this thread to save repetition. Does that sound reasonable?

 

I just finished a 1 hour video tape using Pinnacle. It took 1 hour to record to the computer, and then two hours or so to render it into a disk image, and then burn the disk. I do it in stages for the obvious reason--it gives the computer a chance to "rest" between tasks; cuts down on bad DVD disks. Not complaining, only commenting.

 

As I said, I have a couple of other ideas to try, and I would lik to use this thread as a kind of log to report progress and help me keep track of what I'm doing.

 

Thanks again.

Edited January 6, 2012 by BlackEagle

[ogdens]

Thanks Ogdens;

That is something I will probably have to do. My experience with tech support is that it does, sometimes.

I'll maybe refer them to this thread to save repetition. Does that sound reasonable?

 

I just finished a 1 hour video tape using Pinnacle. It took 1 hour to record to the computer, and then two hours or so to render it into a disk image, and then burn the disk. I do it in stages for the obvious reason--it gives the computer a chance to "rest" between tasks; cuts down on bad DVD disks. Not complaining, only commenting.

 

As I said, I have a couple of other ideas to try, and I would lik to use this thread as a kind of log to report progress and help me keep track of what I'm doing.

 

Thanks again.

 

Anything new on your problem?. I would like to know if you got a resolution to your strange problem.

 

If you did it would be nice to know and could help other users on here.

 

Tony

[BlackEagle]

Anything new on your problem?. I would like to know if you got a resolution to your strange problem.

 

If you did it would be nice to know and could help other users on here.

 

Tony

 

Hi Tony;

 

Thanks for following up, and continued interest.

 

I haven't had a chance to try anything else out yet. I'm trying to see if there is a VCR around with RCA/phono outputs instead of SCART. I'll also try installing Roxio on an XP computer I have, which has an older version of Pinnacle that has also successfully transfered NTSC tapes to DVD. The different OS and operating environment might make a difference...

 

As I try things out I'll use this spot as a kind of "blog" to keep everyone posted...what works or dosen't work.

 

I noticed Honestech has a similar software package, and has an application they say will fix the compatability problem: see the question "Why is my color VHS tape in black and white?" http://www.honestech.com/main/FAQs.asp . No idea if it works or not. Haven't looked for the honestech user forums to find out.

 

Thanks again.

[ogdens]

Hi Tony;

 

Thanks for following up, and continued interest.

 

I haven't had a chance to try anything else out yet. I'm trying to see if there is a VCR around with RCA/phono outputs instead of SCART. I'll also try installing Roxio on an XP computer I have, which has an older version of Pinnacle that has also successfully transfered NTSC tapes to DVD. The different OS and operating environment might make a difference...

 

As I try things out I'll use this spot as a kind of "blog" to keep everyone posted...what works or dosen't work.

 

I noticed Honestech has a similar software package, and has an application they say will fix the compatability problem: see the question "Why is my color VHS tape in black and white?" http://www.honestech.com/main/FAQs.asp . No idea if it works or not. Haven't looked for the honestech user forums to find out.

 

Thanks again.

 

 

Thanks so much.....keep us informed.....this a "strange" one.

 

Cheers

Tony

 

Another idea...is there any settings on/in the VCR for NTSC 3.58/4.43: NTSC ........long shot.

Edited January 21, 2012 by ogdens