Jim_Hardin Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 I have tested my NXT install with the two different Devices that Roxio has sold and both appear to work OK with NXT! Of course My NXT was installed over a Creator 2012 instillation which may have provided the proper drivers for the older device... The 2 different devices look like this: (note the new one has an attached extension for the USB plug) Here you can see that they invoke different drivers which must be installed by Roxio!!! (Windows will not install the correct drivers ) If anyone has any problems please post them and we will try to get you up and running! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bimicher Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Creator NXT is now $46.63 from Amazon. Yesterday (and the day before) it was $19.99, as I posted here at the time. I didn't know enough about it to know whether it was worth investing $20 in NXT, or if it was only useful as a stepping stone to Pro. And it had (has) a lot of bad reviews on Amazon -- the same number of 1* as 5*, and some sound like they know what they're talking about. At $47 I'm not sure I want to invest that much in what might be non-functioning hardware or tapes that are not salvageable. I'll work through jim_hardin's email (thank you) later this weekend and will follow up then. One thing is I'm actually thinking about not burning to DVD except as needed, but rather just keep on a HD.. =aw Actually I have found many of the Amazon reviews to be useless both for the "excellent" and "bad" reviews. For example, one the "bad" reviews is from a reviewer who does not even have the reviews. My comment also applies to non-Roxio products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yowser Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Thank you, that's very helpful. When my friend lent me the hardware without a disc, I figured there would be a (hypothetical) "Creator SE" that came bundled and that I could probably download free. He's looking to see if he has a disk, but even if he does, from the discussons here, anything that was bundled with this older hardware probably won't run under Win7/64? My immediate need is very simple, get videos off these deteriorating VHS tapes. Some are recorded off-air (so not a lot of value) and some are speeches by a now-departed relative (so some value even if quality is bad). I was hoping that the cheap/free software (hypothetical Creator SE, or VHS-to-DVD, say) would at least capture the incoming stream, even if I needed something better to clean it up, edit, etc. I can buy Creator, I see NXT is on sale on Amazon but has very bad reviews. Are those because it's tricky and the users didn't pursue proper answers (i.e. here) or is it actually as buggy/challenging as they say? And at a high level, what's the difference between Creator NXT and NXT Pro? I suspect NXT will do what I want, but if it's more like a $20 version of an intro package, with ads and size limitations, then I should look at Pro or doing something else. BTW, is VHS-to-DVD essentially a stripped-down Creator (the hypothetical Creator SE that I expected), and that's why it's bundled but not available separately? Finally, getting really off-topic in some ways, I think my DVD Recorder (PYE Video) may actually work after all. Would the borrowed Roxio hardware and $20 Creator NXT likely give me better results than just recording directly to a DVD? If not, maybe I should use the DVD Recorder to capture the video via RCA|S-Video cables, then maybe move it to my hard drive at some point in future to do better with better software (perhaps NXT Pro). If for some reason I'll get better digital conversion with the computer and the old/basic Roxio hardware/software (old and basic, respectively) I could invest $20 in NXT. But if not, then it's $20 down the drain that could be put toward NXT Pro -- later! Thanks again! -yowser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sknis Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Creator NXT for $20?????? Not likely ! Or am I reading your post wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_Hardin Posted August 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 The VHS to DVD is completely different! Yes most whiners go into rage mode whenever something doesn't work right first try or even when it doesn't work the way they Want it to If your tapes are degraded to begin with, you may have trouble with the device thinking it has reached end of tape. Also, you can't make it better! When you only start with a 1/2 of brick, you end up with a 1/2 brick in the end! No software can put it what isn't there to begin with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yowser Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Creator NXT for $20?????? Not likely ! Or am I reading your post wrong? You saw the part where I said "on sale at Amazon"? $20 boxed (eligible for Prime free shipping) or $20 for the download. Much cheaper than the older versions. ASIN: B008MR2GYQ Also, you can't make it better! When you only start with a 1/2 of brick, you end up with a 1/2 brick in the end! No software can put it what isn't there to begin with But I used to see them doing it all the time on Law & Order! Joke. Yeah, "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear" of course. but I wasn't thinking so much of making BD quality from 6hr VHS (for example). I did think there might be some cleanup possible, such as (to pick something arbitrary, really) the tracking static across the bottom. Maybe (hypothetically) good software is good enough now to interpolate (extrapolate?) pixels and replace the white with something else. In the same way we've gone from redeye removal with PhotoShop (or PhotoPaint) where you manually grab colour from nearby pixels, to the software automatically finding redeye and fixing it. I also did a cleanup several years ago of some audio files from a conference -- I used some free software and went through and manually removed all the "um" and "ah". It was a painful process (for me) though I could actually _see_ most of them in the visualization. I'd imagine today there's software out there that does a decent job of identifying them and cutting them out without me having to do it over and over. Or analogous to the evolution of OCR software from dedicated Kurzweil devices in the 1980s to today, where they both do a better initial job on poor scans, and do a better job of learning as the user corrects their initial miscalculations. What I was thinking is that I have several choices for getting analogue tapes to digital files. I can copy on my DVD Recorder, I can use the Roxio hardware and (buy) Creator NXT, I can buy some knock-off cheapo hardware and use some crap bundled software, etc. I wondered if it's possible (especially given the relatively poor quality of a VHS tape at its very best) that _any_ video capture will do fine, and the difference in quality at the end (which will always be bad, but might be tolerable in a small 480-line window, or on my old 24" CRT TV) would be more a function of the software (NXT vs NXT Pro, for example). In the latter case, I could "rip" (not sure if that's the right term in this context) using $20 NXT or free DVD Recorder, then park the digital files until I was ready to treat them with some respect. If starting with the DVD Recorder, and finishing with NXT Pro at some future point, will result in a final product every bit as tolerable as starting with the Roxio hardware and $20 NXT, and finishing with NXT Pro at some future point, then I might as well use the Recorder and save the $20 towards NXT Pro at some future point. If starting with the Roxio hardware and $20 NXT, and finishing with NXT Pro at some future point, will give a better result, then I could consider spending the $20 now. I'm assuming that a <$15 knock-off capture hardware with no-name bundled software will give an inferior (more intolerable) result, but I guess it's possible the source is so bad that it's all total overkill. Thanks for the advice so far. I have a collection of cassette tapes I might also digitize, though again (and even more than video) it's almost all probably available as CD, or streaming audio online now. -yowser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_Hardin Posted August 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Yes, the 'hollywood magic' always leaves me rolling my eyes It has become even worse when they incorporate "digital animation" Now you have a programmer, who generally has never been out doors, drawing in "his" version of reality Yes there is software that can do some of the things you describe... Sonic makes one and it starts at $30,000 for one license and you can add features as you need them. But not a single editor in the less than Thousands range can do that! My recommendation... Start with a good VCR. (find the one that produces the best quality on screen) Use an S-Video connector to the the Roxio Device (need separate audio) Use NXT as it has color correction and the abilities beyond anything in the EVD. Get a disc or 2 of DVD RW for practice (it is reusable) Get Verbatim (Singapore) and Taiyo Yuden (JVC) for your final production ~ figure on only 1 hour for 4.7 GB or 2 hours on 8.5 GB discs And asking a lot of questions here If you can get NXT Pro for $20, why are you still waiting to move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sknis Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 The only Creator I see on Amazon that costs about $20 is a very old version - Easy Media Creator 7. OPEN BOX (used). Please post a link to where you see NXT for $20. I know some people who would like to buy it for that price ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yowser Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Creator NXT is now $46.63 from Amazon. Yesterday (and the day before) it was $19.99, as I posted here at the time. I didn't know enough about it to know whether it was worth investing $20 in NXT, or if it was only useful as a stepping stone to Pro. And it had (has) a lot of bad reviews on Amazon -- the same number of 1* as 5*, and some sound like they know what they're talking about. At $47 I'm not sure I want to invest that much in what might be non-functioning hardware or tapes that are not salvageable. I'll work through jim_hardin's email (thank you) later this weekend and will follow up then. One thing is I'm actually thinking about not burning to DVD except as needed, but rather just keep on a HD.. =aw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_Hardin Posted August 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 ... I'm wondering if there's other software out there, perhaps not Roxio, that would let me test this device -- I don't even know if it works, so I'm hesitant to invest in software only to discover it's defective and then turn around and buy (hardware+software) like Roxio VHS-to-DVD again. Thanks! yowser NO! You have to have the proprietary drivers that only come with Roxio. Depending on WHAT you are trying to do with it, the VHS to DVD Software (not available separately) is very limited in both Editing as well as Output Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_Hardin Posted August 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 I'm with Walt on Amazon comments... I always apply the 10% rule! No matter what, 10% of the people will never be able to make it work Plus you have a group of experienced users here to assist. You will still want to back up your productions, Optical Media is as close to permanent as you can get IF it will fit. I use multiple HDD's for most of my backups along with optical media and I still have some pics on floppies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yowser Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Hey I still have files on 100MB Zip drives. Of course I have no idea if they're still okay, and I'm afraid that trying to use the drive will kill the disks (click of death). Some day I'll value the files so little that I'll risk the drive (there's the cruel irony). I agree about reviews and I do check the comments on a bad rating (or a good rating, but especially on a bad rating) to make sure they're not downgrading for spurious reasons. That said, some of the 1* Amazon reviews did seem to start with "I've been using this software for 10 years..." which at least suggests they know what it does. And the reviews of NXT on download.com (or is it cnet.com) are even worse -- 12/12 are 1*. If those ratings are misplaced then I think someone (from Roxio) should be responding. Oh well. My friend found his disk (Creator 2010) and I'm happy to see it's supported under Win 7 (for some reason I thought it wasn't). When I get it from him, I'll be able to at least test the hardware and the tapes and see if there's anything to be recovered. Might not (won't) invest in NXT at this point (though it's dropped back to $42 on Amazon). Or is Creator 2010 sufficiently old/limited that I need to be thinking of NXT already? Thanks everyone for the help. I expect to be back with more questions soon (but not here I think, since it's an NXT thread). =yowser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Or is Creator 2010 sufficiently old/limited that I need to be thinking of NXT already? I think it would be worth looking for a 'pre-loved' copy of Creator 2012 on eBay or similar sites. It has more useful features than NXT, and you should be able to get a copy very cheaply now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yowser Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Thanks I'll watch for that. Is there a risk that it won't work because it was activated on a different machine? And is there documented what they took away when they produced NXT? And any opinions on Creator 2012, 2012 Plus, and 2012 Pro? =yowser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 I've sent you a PM (private message). If you click the envelope icon near the top right of the forum page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yowser Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Thanks Brendon. =aw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yowser Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 NXT is now $37.19 on Amazon, still not $20 but lower than when I posted last. I got a copy of Creator Pro 2012 but haven't hooked up the Roxio hardware since installing it. I'll create a thread in the 2012 since I'm sure I'll have lots of questions. Thanks again everyone! =aw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yowser Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 Borrowed Video Capture hardware (only) from a friend, and hooked it up expecting to install drivers and get some free software to test it. Of course (I now know) that might not have been the right thing to do. I now have a copy of Creator 2012 which I installed. I have not yet connected the hardware again. Is there something I should do before I connect the hardware again? e.g. something to delete from Device Manager? Also, this notebook (ThinkPad X220) doesn't have an optical drive, so I used an external drive to install the software. Is there anything else I need the DVD for, before I disconnected the external optical drive? Thanks! =yowser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yowser Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 A friend lent me his Roxio Video Capture USB hardware, which I think he's never used. Based on this thread, I believe it's the "old style". (Matches picture at http://www.roxio.com...e/overview.html ). He doesn't remember if it came with software. The page I cited above says, Minimum System Requirements: Only compatible with Roxio Creator™ 2010, Roxio Creator™ 2010 Pro, Roxio Creator™ 2011 and Roxio Creator™ 2011 Pro, Roxio Creator™ 2012, Roxio Creator™ 2012 Pro, Creator NXT and Creator NXT Pro which is fair enough, I can buy a copy of Creator NXT if necessary (though the reviews aren't great on Amazon). But then it appears this hardware was also sold as part of "Easy VHS to DVD" or whatever it is. Did that bundle include Creator, or some other software? I'm wondering if there's other software out there, perhaps not Roxio, that would let me test this device -- I don't even know if it works, so I'm hesitant to invest in software only to discover it's defective and then turn around and buy (hardware+software) like Roxio VHS-to-DVD again. Thanks! yowser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_Hardin Posted March 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 I purchased a roxio video capture device from the Roxio site for 49.95 and recieved the old style according to the picture I see. My issue is that when I use the device with my NXT Pro on my laptop I have no issues. When I use it at my churches computer that also has NXT Pro installed, I get this message when trying to capture the video signal by selecting Capture on the home screen: It says Device failed. The Roxio Video capture device is stated that it is available, however, at the video signal, I get a message saying the device is disconnected. I have completely uninstalled and reinstalled all of my Roxio products and I still get this same message. Does anyone know how to fix this so that I can use the device? Both computers are using windows 7 x64 - Ed bolt Look at Post 1 and look at the second picture.......this shows the 2 Roxio units in the Device Manager, one for the old version and one for the new version. Open up your Device manager on your computer and see what yours has (make note of this info) also (the Roxio USB has to be plugged in). Then go to the church computer and do the same thing. Get back on here with the info. Might be able to shorcut this a bit... If the Church PC does not have the drivers like you Home PC does, Delete the ones it does have - remove the device - and reinstall/repair the NXT there... Should work after a reboot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogdens Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Look at Post 1 and look at the second picture.......this shows the 2 Roxio units in the Device Manager, one for the old version and one for the new version. Open up your Device manager on your computer and see what yours has (make note of this info) also (the Roxio USB has to be plugged in). Then go to the church computer and do the same thing. Get back on here with the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Bolt Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 I purchased a roxio video capture device from the Roxio site for 49.95 and recieved the old style according to the picture I see. My issue is that when I use the device with my NXT Pro on my laptop I have no issues. When I use it at my churches computer that also has NXT Pro installed, I get this message when trying to capture the video signal by selecting Capture on the home screen: It says Device failed. The Roxio Video capture device is stated that it is available, however, at the video signal, I get a message saying the device is disconnected. I have completely uninstalled and reinstalled all of my Roxio products and I still get this same message. Does anyone know how to fix this so that I can use the device? Both computers are using windows 7 x64 - Ed bolt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_Hardin Posted January 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 The is no driver available, it comes within the software... What software are you using with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javajava Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Hello ! I bought a "Roxio video capture USB (NEW) HU31192-E" (see attach) according to the invoice (Order ID : 16112991945 / Order Date : January 3, 2013) delivered without driver. I therefore downloaded the Roxio driver from http://www.roxio.fr/enu/products/creator/device/overview.html to my Dell XPS L501X running under "Windows 7". I connected the (NEW) "Roxio video capture USB" to my PC. Less than one minute after starting my "Roxio Creator NXT", it aborted crashing the PC with the blue screen. !! I guess the Roxio driver I downloaded is not for the (NEW) version of the "Roxio video capture USB"!! Thank you in advance to ROXIO or anyone to provide me with the (NEW) driver. Remark: the actual Roxio driver is probably for the (OLD) device version because the (NEW) device I received from Roxio does not match the picture of the (OLD) one shown on http://www.roxio.fr/enu/products/creator/device/overview.html . The (NEW) device is in one piece from the output USB connector to the input audio and video connectors and thr (OLD) one is not. However, I had the chance to test with an (OLD) "Roxio video capture USB" UB315-E ver3 (see attach) on loan from a friend. The (OLD) "Roxio video capture USB" on loan from my friend was working on my PC with my "Roxio Creator NXT". Since there is no path on http://corel.force.com/roxio/rSelectProduct?lang=en to get help for the resolution of the problem above, Roxio should be kind enough to : 1) update on http://www.roxio.fr/enu/products/creator/device/overview.html the picture and the driver for the "Roxio video capture USB (NEW) HU31192-E" actually on sale and shipped to customer and 2) Inform and help directly the actual customers in troubles with the HU31192-E on how to obtain the (NEW) driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdanteek Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 The tapes were originally shot on film removing the grain using digital noise reduction would also remove much of the fine detail.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_Hardin Posted January 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Bad in equals bad out. VHS was poor quality to begin with, and you won't be able to improve it with any software that I know of. That's the way it is, all that Hollywood Magic you see is just Hollywood BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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I have tested my NXT install with the two different Devices that Roxio has sold and both appear to work OK with NXT!
Of course My NXT was installed over a Creator 2012 instillation which may have provided the proper drivers for the older device...
The 2 different devices look like this:
Here you can see that they invoke different drivers which must be installed by Roxio!!! (Windows will not install the correct drivers
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If anyone has any problems please post them and we will try to get you up and running!
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