Roxio Video Copy & Convert Inconsistent Conversion

[Doodle]

Roxio Video Copy & Convert Inconsistent Conversion, let me explain. I have 6 MPEG files.

 

They are all (I'll call this "A") :

 

Video

 

Frame Width: 352

Frame Height: 480

Data Rate: 9200kbps

Total Bitrate: 9456kbps

Frame Rate: 29

 

Audio:

 

Bit Rate: 256Kbps

Channels: stereo

Audio Sample Rate: 48 kHz

 

I'm now converting one file using the "Video" template and WMV as my target conversion.

 

If I do 1 file all is ok (I'll call this "B"):

 

Video

 

Frame Width: 240

Frame Height: 320

Data Rate: 8000kbps

Total Bitrate: 8128kbps

Frame Rate: 29

 

Audio:

 

Bit Rate: 128Kbps

Channels: stereo

Audio Sample Rate: 44 kHz

 

If I do all 6 as a batch this is what I get (I'll call this "C"):

 

Video

 

Frame Width: 240

Frame Height: 320

Data Rate: 1160kbps

Total Bitrate: 1288kbps

Frame Rate: 29

 

Audio:

 

Bit Rate: 128Kbps

Channels: stereo

Audio Sample Rate: 44 kHz

 

Why? Batch "C" should be like "B." The video looks awful. Why did the Data Rate and Total Bitrate change just because I did a batch of 6 files? All 6 files are wrong Data Rate and Total Bitrate. I have 500 more files to do. I can't do one at a time.

[bimicher]

I only have Windows 7 installed fully updated and Roxio NXT. No other software.

 

When a I do one file at a time it works. My Data rate stays at 8000 the way I set it. if I do a bacth then it goes crazy. Since I have as many as 500 files to do there is no way I can babysit the computer and do one at a time.

 

What version of VideoWave? Is it free? Do you have a link?

 

Videowave is part of NXT, it may be called "Edit video -advanced" or something similar on the Home page.

[Doodle]

I'm not using VideoWave. I do use TivoDecoder which makes a .TiVo file to a normal MPEG file. It has no VBR settings or anything else.

 

Removing commercials from a TIVO file using VCC (Roxio NXT version or 2010) is painful. Next to impossible. It's so slow when making your edits that you give up. Nothing but freezing and waiting. This doesn't happen on other video formats I tried.

 

I'm thinking about buying TivoDesktop Plus for $24.99.

[Jim_Hardin]

Then we don't know if the files are VBR or Fixed???

 

I don't know of anything that will make finding and editing commercials out easy

 

I use VW for that and generally find that they fall is a specific timespan. I then work from the end of the file to the beginning - ie: 10 minute intervals, 60 minute file = 50, 40, 30... etc. If you work from the beginning to the end, it gets muddy.

 

Also, I use Markers at the beginning and end of the commercial then save and cut them all at one time

 

I hate to think how my $25 I have wasted on software promises

[Doodle]

I believe that Tivo files are fixed rate. Editing out commercials using Roxio NXT VCC should be a easy fanfare with nonTivo formats. The problem is most of my files are Tivo format.

[Jim_Hardin]

I made some test files using VBR and they ran through VCC without a hitch...

 

If you run them, One at a Time through VCC, how do they come out???

 

I personally prefer VideoWave for this type of work, as I outlined. Perhaps it would be good for you to try one there just to see what results you get???

 

I know we have others that use TiVo, it would be nice if they would try some of this and join the discussion here

 

Edit: I just did some that were wildy varying in original quality, HD to sub-VCD, to see if the output would vary when batch passed through VCC... It did not. It would be nice if I could duplicate your resutls

[Jim_Hardin]

Perhaps a Repair would be in order

 

Here are the steps you would need:

 

First thing to do is to turn off your Anti Virus, Firewalls, Registry Cleaners, etc. and insert your Roxio Disc (download version - run Install)

 

Be sure you accept the offer to Check for Updates (this is for Roxio, not Windows)

 

When you reach the screen where

Repair

is offered, choose that!

 

When the Repair competes, turn your AV & Firewall back on and reboot.

[Brendon]

In case this helps to jog your memory, this problem has been around since at least Creator 2010 and Creator 2011, and you dealt with it in this topic, Jim.

 

http://forums.support.roxio.com/topic/77387-video-copy-convert-13-in-creator-2011/

 

Regards,

Brendon

[Jim_Hardin]

In case this helps to jog your memory, this problem has been around since at least Creator 2010 and Creator 2011, and you dealt with it in this topic, Jim.

 

http://forums.suppor...n-creator-2011/

 

Regards,

Brendon

Actually it is not the same at all...

 

That post had nothing to do with TiVo and in this case, my conversions do not vary in data rate, they are 8000 kbps across the board.

 

I would really appreciate it if you or anyone else with NXT would try this out though

[Doodle]

I only have Windows 7 installed fully updated and Roxio NXT. No other software.

 

When I do one file at a time it works. My Data rate stays at 8000 the way I set it. if I do a bacth then it goes crazy. Since I have as many as 500 files to do there is no way I can babysit the computer and do one at a time.

 

What version of VideoWave? Is it free? Do you have a link?

[Doodle]

Ok, when doing two files I got a Data Rate of 7312. It should've been 8000. Maybe TivoDesktop Plus will do a better job than Roxio NXT VCC.

[Doodle]

Yes, Roxio NXT has VideoWave. However, it doesn't support WMV at the 320x240 with Data Rate 8000. Also it doesn't have a batch featue like VCC does.

[Doodle]

I've now come across a 1 hour and 40 minute single TIVO file that will not convert correctly at Data Rate 8000 using Roxio NXT VCC. It only goes to 5000+. I'n NOT even doing a batch just one single file in the que. I'm not to doing any editing just converting to WMV. My conclusion is that VCC doesn't work with TIVO as advertised.

[grandpabruce]

I've now come across a 1 hour and 40 minute single TIVO file that will not convert correctly at Data Rate 8000 using Roxio NXT VCC. It only goes to 5000+. I'n NOT even doing a batch just one single file in the que. I'm not to doing any editing just converting to WMV. My conclusion is that VCC doesn't work with TIVO as advertised.

 

You might want to contact Corel, directly, then.

[Jim_Hardin]

I'm not using VideoWave. I do use TivoDecoder which makes a .TiVo file to a normal MPEG file. It has no VBR settings or anything else.

 

Removing commercials from a TIVO file using VCC (Roxio NXT version or 2010) is painful. Next to impossible. It's so slow when making your edits that you give up. Nothing but freezing and waiting. This doesn't happen on other video formats I tried.

 

I'm thinking about buying TivoDesktop Plus for $24.99.

QUESTION???

 

Is this the the TiVo Desktop & VCC steps as described in this Knowledgebase article, Here or this Video, here???

 

IF NOT, how about doing a few using these proceedures to see if it makes any difference?

 

Plan B: Do the VCC batching (small test) but choose a different output, say DVD with the default settings...

 

THEN reprocess those mpeg files using your 8000 kbps. (It is a test, I just want to see if we can get a consistant WMV output for you )

 

Of cours GPB's suggestions to open a ticket with Support is a good idea as well - burning both ends of the candle can be a good thing

[Doodle]

Yes Jim, it is. I'm doing that. Both of those procedures show using TivoDesktop to transfer the video from the Tivo box into the computer and editing using Roxio. However, I'm not doing any editing since it's impossible as I explained.

 

I did try MPEG2 instead of WMV as my output file. The orginal Tivo file was Data Rate 9200, I chose 9200 for my MPEG2. The file came out Data Rate 3361. The orginal Tivo file size was 2,126,934 KB. Now that it's MPEG2 the size is 3,332,705 KB. Not good.

[Jim_Hardin]

TRY SOMETHING ELSE...

 

Any of the HD would be worth considering but merely repeating the exact sme steps will yield the same results every time...

[Doodle]

TRY SOMETHING ELSE...

 

Any of the HD would be worth considering but merely repeating the exact sme steps will yield the same results every time...

 

As you can see I'm not trying the same thing. I was trying MPEG2. Trying HD even if it worked would not be suitable for me. None of my files are HD. Also, I want smaller files after conversion like WMV would have given me. I also wanted a file format which I can then edit out commercials using Roxio NXT VCC. With Tivo format I couldn’t edit but WMV I could edit out the commercials.

[Jim_Hardin]

You will have to contact Roxio, sorry we could not help

[Doodle]

Thanks for trying Jim. At some point I have to stop and let the blame fall where it should...on Roxio. They advertize that you can edit Tivo files. Not if you want to keep your hair. I bought Roxio NXT to reduce my clutter of editing Tivo file; having other formats to convert them too. But it just can't be done without problems.

[cdanteek]

Video

 

Frame Width: 240

Frame Height: 320

Data Rate: 1109kbps

Total Bitrate: 1237kbps

Frame Rate: 29

 

Audio:

 

Bit Rate: 128Kbps

Channels: stereo

Audio Sample Rate: 44 kHz

 

What utility are you using to get those figures?

[Jim_Hardin]

Does seem a bit odd...

 

I would like to create some test files but you failed to include any info whatsoever on how you get these output settings

 

There are dozens of presets in VCC and I don't feel up to the task of searching through all of them to find the one you used

 

How about supplying some info???

[Doodle]

I viewed the file information in Windows 7 by right clicking on a file then choose Properties then Details tab.

 

I'm using the template in VCC called "Video" as my output. I'm using WMV as my converted format type with NO change to the template; very basic stuff.

[cdanteek]

I viewed the file information in Windows 7 by right clicking on a file then choose Properties then Details tab.

 

I'm using the template in VCC called "Video" as my output. I'm using WMV as my converted format type with NO change to the template; very basic stuff.

 

Post a screen shot of VCC, custom settings showing those #1 settings please.

[Doodle]

Since I have Acronis True Image I'm going to go back to Roxio 2010 using VCC

and try to do the same exact thing to see if I get the same results. I'll post the other screen shot you suggested when I'm done.

[cdanteek]

Since I have Acronis True Image I'm going to go back to Roxio 2010 using VCC

and try to do the same exact thing to see if I get the same results. I'll post the other screen shot you suggested when I'm done.

 

I want to see Creator NXT screen shot showing those settings please.