M2Ts File Format

[Norman1955]

I have a Sony HD avchd camera. I used C2011 to work m2ts files and everything sorted correctly (1,2,3,4 etc) on two vacations, after reformating the HDD and 3 weeks in Sweden C2011 sorts 1,3,6,2,5 etc. TechSup said it does not support the format. WORKED BEFORE! Does NTX support m2ts and sort correctly? Thanks

[Jim_Hardin]

Really is strange and it does not look as though anyone else has this problem???

 

I know I was ripping my hair out one day (DOS days) when someone could not download a perticular file from the server

 

Took be quite a while to realize that a space was in front of the filename!

 

Still curious, I'll send you an IM about this. Look in the upper right:

 

[Norman1955]

I have taken a series of 10-12 clips and they sorted OK

I have yet to get a 100 or more shots to try a large grouping.

[Jim_Hardin]

Have you taken any new videos lately? Do they still have the sort problem/

 

You did say that earlier files sorted correctly. So something changed when you took the problem clips.

It is just a big puzzle.

Yes that would be interesting to know

[bimicher]

Well Jim I took your advice and sorted in windows and draged into Creator and it was RIGHT, IT WORKED!!!. So I bought NXT and same as before BAD SORT ORDER again! What ever it is as long as I have a way to workaround. Thanks for you help and suggestions.

 

Thanks to all.

 

Have you taken any new videos lately? Do they still have the sort problem/

 

You did say that earlier files sorted correctly. So something changed when you took the problem clips.

It is just a big puzzle.

[Norman1955]

Well Jim I took your advice and sorted in windows and draged into Creator and it was RIGHT, IT WORKED!!!. So I bought NXT and same as before BAD SORT ORDER again! What ever it is as long as I have a way to workaround. Thanks for you help and suggestions.

 

Thanks to all.

[Jim_Hardin]

We would never delete you

[malatekid]

I am rendering at the moment Jess... But does that allow for Video Clips and will they be presented in proper order or will he just have to hunt all over the place

 

I was thinking of photos (still images) only when I posted that. Sorry I overlooked the fact you're discussing video clips (which the topic title alone already suggest it is about video clip). My bad.

 

Feel free to delete my post above.

[Jim_Hardin]

I am rendering at the moment Jess... But does that allow for Video Clips and will they be presented in proper order or will he just have to hunt all over the place

[malatekid]

I haven't done it in NXT but my workaround in prior versions of Creator was to start adding a new slideshow. The slideshow wizard will put the pictures in the order you select the pictures. Then there is a stage where Slideshow will ask if you want to edit(?) in Videowave. Say yes then save it as a Videowave production. You now have a Videowave production with photos in desired order.

[Jim_Hardin]

I don't see a need to rename...

 

Explorer: Sort by Type - then pick from bottom to top...

 

Of course do what is best for you.

[Norman1955]

Thanks for proving I'm not nuts.

I guess I will have to try renaming everything and start from there. I had thought of un/reinstalling but you proved that to be a useless idea as you get the same results.

I had forgot the windows sort problem of last picked being first.

Thanks again

[Jim_Hardin]

Norman was kind enough to supply a disc with these files on it and I have to say that my results were as bizarre as his

 

The Windows Explorer results were the same on both PC's (Win7 on both) but the file sorts in within Media Manager were not only different, they were different with the different versions of Roxio Creator

 

 

 

 

 

 

An easy solution is to use Windows Explorer to select an then drag them onto the VideoWave Timeline, however...

 

Keep in mind the longstanding Windows Explorer flaw of Selection Order

 

You have to pic them (Ctrl-Click in this case) in the reverse order that you want to to appear

 

(Pick Bottom to Top)

 

 

Otherwise the Last One Picked will go in first (been that way since about Win95 but not in every app )

 

You can also do some other filtering in Win Exp for example Sort by Name first then sort by File Type... This will put them in order AND by Type so you can use a Shift Click to grab a big clump of them! Still needs to be in inverse order

 

(personal peeve: I am not a fan of Drag & Drop! Accidentally 'drop' a thousand files Somewhere on the Corporate server... Then when you finally do find them, spend hours picking your files out from the ones that were already there )

[bimicher]

checked picture files from same trip and they sort CORRECTLY

 

As questioned earlyer, I tried to rename the files. I did only about 15 files and THAT WORKS.

Why should I have to do that?

 

Does it still happen with any clips you take NOW?

[sknis]

checked picture files from same trip and they sort CORRECTLY

 

As questioned earlyer, I tried to rename the files. I did only about 15 files and THAT WORKS.

Why should I have to do that?

 

 

If we knew that, this thread would have been a lot shorter.

 

You now have a reasonable workaround that doesn't take a lot of time. Is that good enough?

[Norman1955]

checked picture files from same trip and they sort CORRECTLY

 

As questioned earlyer, I tried to rename the files. I did only about 15 files and THAT WORKS.

Why should I have to do that?

[bimicher]

I just check older folders/files (past trips) and they sort CORRECTLY. They too are Sony m2ts files. All taken on the same camera.

What ever this is, happens only with all my new files (over 1000 clips of Sweden, Norway and Denmark)

 

Does it sill happen with any pictures you take now?

[sknis]

Are all the other files named the same way 14 characters with date/month/day/plus 6 additional digits?

 

Have you considered renaming the files since they sort in order? If you have them in one folder or put them in one folder, you can have Windows rename them as a batch (I just found this out yesterday)

 

Rename a file

 

Right-click the file that you want to rename, and then click Rename.

1. 
   Type the new name, and then press Enter. If you're prompted for an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide confirmation.
   

Tip

• You can also rename several files at one time, which is useful for grouping related items. To do this, select the files, and then follow the steps above. Type one name, and then each of the files will be saved with the new name and a different sequential number at the end (for example, Renamed File (2), Renamed File (3), and so on).
  

You may want to set up folders for each of the countries/date and rename the files for the country. They should still keep the original order.

[Norman1955]

I just check older folders/files (past trips) and they sort CORRECTLY. They too are Sony m2ts files. All taken on the same camera.

What ever this is, happens only with all my new files (over 1000 clips of Sweden, Norway and Denmark)

[Norman1955]

I have had many versions of Creator over time. This is the first time I ever had this problem.

Tried your suggestion and it make no difference. Yes the list changes and overall kinda sort A or D but neither direction is as W7 sorts.

Windows 7 Ultimate

6 drives with about 3 Tbites

12G of memory Task Manager shows 5.5 G in use now

 

HP HPE-180T system w/dual mons, the system should be working fine.

I think I am about to just give up on this.

[Jim_Hardin]

Thanks Norman, that helps!

 

In the Roxio list, try clicking on the "File Name" then toggle the sort arrow.

 

See if that makes any difference?

 

Can anyone else reproduce this behavior???

[Norman1955]

On the left is W7U sort and right is VideoWave sort.

i hope this attachment help as I could not get the screen in the post.

[bimicher]

Thanks for all the responce. This is as I said Creator 2011 Pro. I was asking if the new version has a problem or not.

I use Video Wave and my OLDER files of trips DO SORT CORRECTLY. The new trip files DO NOT SORT. Name, size, Date created seem to be the date taken from the camera as ALL are the same. Nothing seems to matter. I can do ascending and deascending but that is out of order also. I hope the newer version will correct what ever is wrong, but do not want to order if it too will not sort correctly.

Thanks.

 

I did my sort in C2012 and Jim did his in C2011 and in both cases it works correctly. I would tend to believe that NXT also does it correctly.

 

Could you post a screenshot of the folder for the photo files as you are using them just like Jim and I have done.

[Jim_Hardin]

Norman: Sorry, I did miss your reference to Creator 2011, my bad!

 

I fired up Creator 2011, VideoWave and this is what I get...

 

 

With Windows Explorer:

 

With VideoWave, Add Photo/Video (note sorting arrow):

 

Sorting inverted (I picked all that were shown):

 

Inserted Order:

(they are in the same order I just can't show all of them)

 

As you can see mine do come in in order, based on the sort that I set up in the Add Photo/Video selector???

[Norman1955]

Thanks for all the responce. This is as I said Creator 2011 Pro. I was asking if the new version has a problem or not.

I use Video Wave and my OLDER files of trips DO SORT CORRECTLY. The new trip files DO NOT SORT. Name, size, Date created seem to be the date taken from the camera as ALL are the same. Nothing seems to matter. I can do ascending and deascending but that is out of order also. I hope the newer version will correct what ever is wrong, but do not want to order if it too will not sort correctly.

Thanks.

[bimicher]

sorry for slow responce. had a few weeks of work.

 

this is how Roxio sorts the files

20120722082702.m2ts

20120720105759

20120720105945

20120722084937

20120720112115

20120722085024

 

Windows sorts correctly while Roxio is out of order.

 

I created a folder and placed some m2ts files into that folder and then renamed them to the names you show. Roxio C2012 sorts them correctly when you select "names" sort. It is identical to the Windows sort.

 

When you have the "insert photos/video window" open and are in the folder containing your m2ts video, click on the "sort By" icon and check on which sort method is being used.

I have attached a screenshot of the folder I created containing the files which have been sorted correctly by Roxio. Of course if I sort on one of the other columns

the name order will change.