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I have just bought Creator NXT Pro. I have put 4 home movies into a project with menus, chapter marks, etc. Each movie was taken from a dvd and is roughly 4 Gig per movie and about 2-2.30 hours long. For some reason the project comes out at 27 Gig, which obviously wont fit on a 25 Gig Blu-ray disc. I have tried using DVD Shrink 3.2 to shrink the movies down in size to 3 Gig each. I didn't want to loose too much quality. But the size of the Blu-ray project hasn't changed. so... I have two questions

 

1) Am I doing something totally wrong. I thought shrinking the movies would save me space. It hasn't

 

2) Is there anyway of shrinking the blu-ray project to make it fit on a single 25 Gig Blu-ray disc.

 

I have tried BD Rebuilder and yes it shrunk the project but it also erased all the menus and chapter marks so i ended up with one 8 hour video. Is there anyway I can shrink this so that it will fit on a 25 gig Blu-ray disc and still maintain all the chapters and menus as created within the project.

 

Thanks in advance for any replies.

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Are the original video standard or high definition video? Ignore the file size. Please read this (link) about video and this one about data disc.

 

If I read you correctly, you have 4 separate projects and 4 separate menus. That won't work. You would have to rebuild the projects to have one menu if you want the disc to play on a blu ray player.

 

Why are you saving to blu ray? Are you just archiving the projects? That would be a data disc.

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Thank you for your prompt response, My apologies for the delay in replying, I work away during the week.

 

The 4 dvds are holiday movies that were taken on tape camcorders or pictures taken on mobile phones and digital cameras. So i assume they are standard definition. Each holiday was then made in to a dvd which plays from start to finish as one movie. With the original DVDs, I joined all the clips together as one movie, burnt it to the hard drive, used DVD Shrink to get the size to 4GB then used 'Copy and Convert to burn it to DVDR discs.

 

I copied the 4 dvds onto my hard drive using 'Video copy and convert' (the copy part anyway). Then started a Bluray project in 'My Dvd'. Imported the 4 dvds to create a "top menu" with the 4 movies. Each movie then had chapters created as and where i wanted them, usually between days or events to create sub menus. The Bluray project says its :-

Used : 26025.5MB

Free :-1805.5MB

Time Remaining : -00:28:42.

I have also tried altering the 'Quality' selector and this is the lowest i can get it by using the 'fit to disc' option.

 

If the project is burnt to the hard drive is there anyway of shrinking it to fit within the 25GB but leave all the menus working and then what program do I use to re-burn it to disc.

 

My bluray player is a samsung portable drive. I thought by using blu-ray I could save on storage space and i wanted to be able to take the disc and player round to family and friends. My folks also showed interest in having their movies put on one or two discs rather than 20 odd. I want the final disc to be able to be played on any Bluray player as a project with menus and chapters just as a commercial Bluray disc from the shops would.

 

 

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Start again without using DVD Shrink. That introduces too many variables Did you look at and read the links from the first response to your post. Post back when you have tried doing this without DVD Shrink.

 

Again HOW MANY HOURS?

 

Since the original videos are standard definition, consider reading up on and using something like DivX. You can get a lot of hours of good quality video on a standard DVD. Your player will probably play divX video.

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Hi. Right, all I have are the dvd's now. The Camcorder tapes have been re-used. I assumed once i had put the movies onto DVD I wouldn't need them anymore, so all I have is the four discs. I put the bit about DVD Shrink in there just to explain how I made the DVDs. I'm looking for a DVD Shrink kind of program which does it for Blu-ray leaving the menus etc intact.

 

Yes I have read the two articles you linked. (I also added them to my favourites for future reference) They state that I should be able to get 135 minuets of HD video. How much would this be in SD???

I need to get about 360 minuets onto the disc (Each DVD is roughly 1 1/2 hours. But, I'm still confused how 4 x 4GB (16GB) addes up to roughly 28GB??? Does this mean 'My DVD' only works on the time of each movie and not on the actual file size???

 

Will now google 'Div X'. Any ideas how much quality lose I will have? As they are home video the quality isn't exactly 1080!!!

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Hi. Right, all I have are the dvd's now. The Camcorder tapes have been re-used. I assumed once i had put the movies onto DVD I wouldn't need them anymore, so all I have is the four discs. I put the bit about DVD Shrink in there just to explain how I made the DVDs. I'm looking for a DVD Shrink kind of program which does it for Blu-ray leaving the menus etc intact.

 

Yes I have read the two articles you linked. (I also added them to my favourites for future reference) They state that I should be able to get 135 minuets of HD video. How much would this be in SD???

I need to get about 360 minuets onto the disc (Each DVD is roughly 1 1/2 hours. But, I'm still confused how 4 x 4GB (16GB) addes up to roughly 28GB??? Does this mean 'My DVD' only works on the time of each movie and not on the actual file size???

 

Will now google 'Div X'. Any ideas how much quality lose I will have? As they are home video the quality isn't exactly 1080!!!

 

File size is generally useless when you are talking about video DVDs. A standard 4.7GB DVD can only hold 60 minutes of video at "best quality" You have already used DVDshrink to compress the 90 minutes to fit the disc and therefore have already lost quality. Now you want to squeeze 4 DVDs unto a Blu Ray.

Since you are converting standard DVD video to BluRay you will not "improve" quality but may actually wind up with lower quality since any "imperfections" in the DVD video will be amplified when converting to BluRay.

All video programs work with the time length of the source video as well as the bit (or data) rate of the video. The file size of the source video is immaterial.

A standard mpg video has a resolution of 720x480 while a BluRay video can be 1280x720 or even 1920x1080. Do the math and you will see that BluRay requires much more space then standard video. You can get about 2.5 hours of high quality high-definition (HD) video on a 25GB disc

 

I would not bother with converting the DVDs to BluRay especially since you say the quality is not that good anyway.

 

I am assuming that you want to create a BluRay disc in BluRay format. There also the possibility of putting all 4 movies on the BluRay disc but in standard video format

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Flipmo617, the reason all your work (DVD Shrink) is lost is because Roxio uses a Constant Bit Rate Encoder, instead of a Variable Bit Rate Encoder.

What that means if you have a 2.0 GB SD file that runs 60 minutes when My DVD authors it to disc it will increase the file size to almost 4.0 GB file.

 

Doing a Blu ray project will result in the same problem. If you have four 4.0 GB SD DVD's you could use one Blu ray Disc and put all four on the 25.GB BD as a data project. Won't work in a stand alone Player but you should get what I mean?

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So basically its not do-able then!!! Wasn't really looking to improve the quality (its very watchable on the DVDs), just get all 4 movies on one 25GB disc.

 

Thank you to everyone who posted, your help is appreciated.

 

One last thing tho (and clutching at straws), this might have been answered and not understood by me. If i went ahead and did it anyway (Quality aside) and wrote the blu-ray creation to my hard drive, the disc size would be 28GB (ish).

Is there any program that could shrink this like DVD Shrink does (again quality aside)?

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DVD Shrink??? Uninstall it and shred the disc and forget you ever heard of it...

 

IF you and others really don't care about quality, here is a list of what you can put on various media:

 

DVD:

4.7Gb:

  • HQ = 1:06
  • SP = 1:37
  • LP = 2:22
  • ELP = 3:04

 

8.5 Gb:

  • HQ = 2:00
  • SP = 2:57
  • LP = 4:19
  • ELP = 5:35

 

 

DVD AVCHD Capacity:

AVCHD on a 4.7 DVD (thanks to ggrussell)

  • HQ – 00:40:24 @ 1920 X 1080P = 40 min
  • SP – 00:50:16 @ 1920 X 1080I
  • LP – 1:00:00 @ 1440 X 1080I
  • EP – 1:24:31 1280 X 720P

AVCHD on 8.5 DVD

  • HQ – 1:13
  • SP – 1:24
  • LP – 1:39
  • EP – 2:15

Blu-ray 25 GB Capacity:

  • HQ— 3:29
  • SP— 4:00
  • LP— 4:43
  • EP— 6:24

Blu-ray 50 GB Capacity:

  • HQ— 6:59
  • SP— 8:02
  • LP— 9:27
  • EP— 12:50

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