Why The Big Difference In Size?

[david517]

I am using toast Ten Titanium 10.0.9 (569) and have started a project but had to interrupt it to leave for work. Now when I open toast I see it My Movie 564 KB, but in the Finder it says My Movie1.toast- Kind: DVD/CD-R Master Image, Size:: 1.4MB why the big difference?

 

I am now in OS X10.8.4 so is it possible that an old Universal Binary won't work properly in Mountain Lion because ML is Intel Only? No PPC allowed.

 

Which size is the correct one?toast.pdffinder.pdf

[tsantee]

I don't think anything is wrong unless your source movie really is 564 KB instead of 564 MB. That would be a really short video. The reason for the difference in file size is the mpeg 2 codec for a video DVD does not compress a movie near as much as the mpeg 4 codec that I'm guessing is your source video. You are making a video DVD, right? When you add more video (in total minutes rather than megabytes) Toast will automatically adjust the compression to try to fit it all on a DVD. I think Toast can fit more than 3 hours of video on a single-layer DVD. But when there is much less video Toast encodes near the maximum bit rate that meets the DVD spec so that makes the file size larger. So it is the mpeg 2 codec combined with the relatively short video length that resulted in the much larger file size.

[david517]

Thanks DigitalGuru, The source is a large collection of Family fotos, in many formats, but I only need the DVD to play in a DVD player when a family member comes to visit,options like looking through them all for one in particular isn't really necessary. 2.468 fotos in the finder are1.4 MB says apple. The file has .toast as suffix. I have to buy some DVD-R discs online they are not to found in shops in Amsterdam so I can't really try it until I have those. The idea to use DVD_ROM (UDF) was from someone in the iPhoto forum at Apple, I am hopeless with this stuff.

 

Any advice that comes to mind will be greatly appreciated.

Cheers, iDavid

[tsantee]

You can check your DVD player's manual, but mine gives me two ways to view photos. One way is called a DVD slide show which is played from a menu like when you play a video DVD. The other uses the player's ability to display photos burned as a data disc. In either case the quality will be similar because the DVD player sends standard-definition resolution to the TV.

 

To make a DVD slide show choose the DVD video setting in the Toast Video window. Drag in your folder(s) of photos. Toast will place 98 photos in each title that appears in the menu and just keeps creating titles until all the photos are added. If you organize your photos into folders by subjects and drag the those folders (one at a time or all at once) into Toast each folder will be its own menu title. When there are more than 98 photos in a folder then Toast must roll the extras into new titles because of required DVD player specs.

 

You can tell Toast to "Include Original Photos" on the disc by checking this box in the Options panel. That way the full resolution photos are on the disc as well as the ones viewed via the DVD slideshow.

 

When you burn the disc and insert it in a DVD Player the player will present the menu. When you play a menu item each photo appears for 5 seconds and continues until the title is done. You can use the player's remote control to pause indefinitely and you should be able to use the chapter skip buttons to manually go forward or backward. The picture quality is as good as you'll see from a DVD player.

 

Some players have their own slideshow viewer for playing jogs on data discs. The advantage with those is you can zoom in on parts of a photo that is larger than the standard-def resolution. The disadvantages are that the pictures can take awhile to be displayed, the menu is like looking at a Finder window in list mode and Apple can add invisible thumbnails to photos that the player thinks is another photo so you may have to advance twice to see the next image. You can see if your player can do this with the DVD you created because you chose to "Include original photos". I think my DVD player needs photos to be burned as an ISO 9660 CD-Rom rather than as a DVD but it's been a long time since I've given that a look.

 

Am I to presume you do not have an HDTV? If you have an HDTV it should have a USB input. If it does you should be able to copy your photos to a flash drive, insert that in the HDTV USB port and use the TV's controls to view the photos in high definition.

 

I hope I haven't confused you too much. If you don't have a HDTV with a USB port I suggest making a DVD slideshow in Toast's video window.

 

One more thing, if you choose Save as Disc Image instead of burning the DVD, Toast will probably exclude the original photos when you choose the Image File setting in the Copy window. What you need to do instead is mount the .toast file (which is done by choosing Mount Image File in Toast's Utilities menu), choose DVD-Rom (UDF) as the format in the Toast Data window, click New Disc and name your disc, and finally go to the Finder and drag all the content from the mounted disc image into the Toast window.

[david517]

Digital Guru you are fantastic, a complete manual on what I wanted to do-thanks. My LG DVD player gives three modes: DVD, VCD, or DivX, so it looks to be quite comprehensive, if I choose the right settings in toast. I don't have a new TV yet, on my mini budget I must wait for the Sony Trinitron to die first before going HDMI,I did get an HDMI display Monitor foe my Mac Mini,but I would rather not do it that way because the Mini is set up for audio recording and it is working so I will leave it as it is. It has virtually no controls anyway.

 

I only chose to save as disc image because I had to leave for work and thought that option sounded like it would allow me to continue later.

You wrote:

One more thing, if you choose Save as Disc Image instead of burning the DVD, Toast will probably exclude the original photos when you choose the Image File setting in the Copy window. What you need to do instead is mount the .toast file (which is done by choosing Mount Image File in Toast's Utilities menu), choose DVD-Rom (UDF) as the format in the Toast Data window, click New Disc and name your disc, and finally go to the Finder and drag all the content from the mounted disc image into the Toast window.

 

I suspect the two are basically the same because when I saved the disc image it warned me that some fotos would be left out because of some non compatability, so the smaller of the two should burn correctly and the missing fotos aren't that important in a batch of more than 2,000. Here are some screen shots that might clarify things

 

I was nor allowed to upload the last shot, it is the info drop down for the .toast file My Movie-1.4MB.

[david517]

Me again, the bloody software here wouldn't let me add the screen shots -some crap about the number of quote not matching.

[tsantee]

My guess is you have a couple photos that are something other than .jpg that Toast can't read. You'd have to sort your folder of photos by "kind" in the Finder to see if any are not .jpg or .jpeg. I think Toast can read several file types so it doesn't have to be .jpg.

[david517]

Thanks tsantee, I did that sort by 'kind' and it worked, what was missing turned out to be many doubles, perhaps emailing them repeatedly caused some images to be stored twice. I did burn the big 1.4MB to a photo Disc and it plays in my DVD player fine,I am not very impressed by toast deciding what part of the photo would be shown, but with so many everyone in the Family can see themselves at some time or other.