Burning Cue/bin In Nxt

Dinosaurous · November 7, 2013

When I choose Data-Copy and Burn-Disc-Image, for an audio CD image, specifying the CUE file also generates this error for me. (Creator NXT)

[subsequent edit: As this was split from the original topic (which, I didn' think was completely unrelated since it refers to the same error code), here is the error code again: Error Code: TE_DoesntSupportOperation. Added for the benefit of search engines.]

Specifying the BIN file results in an image being burned to the disc.

HOWEVER, the individual track information is lost. By that I mean that playing the resultant disc in my HiFi CD player, only one track is indicated on the display even though ALL the tracks have been burned - I played the disc and all the tracks appear to have been merged. i.e. the lack of the cue file information to separate the tracks means the CD player cannot distinguish between tracks. There is only one .CDA file on the disc: track_01.cda.

The contents of the CUE file are:

FILE "Sarah Brightman - Fly.bin" BINARY

TRACK 01 AUDIO

INDEX 01 00:00:00

TRACK 02 AUDIO

INDEX 01 04:07:25

TRACK 03 AUDIO

INDEX 01 07:03:05

TRACK 04 AUDIO

INDEX 01 12:13:37

TRACK 05 AUDIO

INDEX 01 15:52:47

TRACK 06 AUDIO

INDEX 01 19:37:22

TRACK 07 AUDIO

INDEX 01 26:11:45

TRACK 08 AUDIO

INDEX 01 30:35:37

TRACK 09 AUDIO

INDEX 01 37:24:45

TRACK 10 AUDIO

INDEX 01 41:47:37

TRACK 11 AUDIO

INDEX 01 45:50:37

TRACK 12 AUDIO

INDEX 01 50:00:42

The cue file was created using BurnAware. I had previously tried creating a .gi file using Roxio creator NXT but the CDs burned from this image could not be read by my CD player. ( I have a new laser on order for my CD player - but don't get sidetracked by that ). When I used BurnAware to burn a CD from the cue file all the track information is there and the disc plays without any problem in my CD player.

My conclusions are that Creator NXT:

a ) Does NOT understand CUE files.

b ) Does NOT try to marry a BIN file to a CUE file, of the same name in the same folder.

c ) A free tool does a better job of archiving and reburning CDs than one that I paid for.

I know that sounds a bit negative but that is how I feel.

Does anyone know of a way round the problem of reading CUE files correctly using Creator NXT?

Before anyone throws in comments about copyright etc. I am trying to archive my CD collection to HDD so that I can recreate copies when the CD media eventually deteriorates, as it will do. And yes, I do take regular backups of my HDD.

As an aside, does Creator NXT have any way of controlling the laser power during burn? Or, am I being stupid asking that one?

cdanteek · November 7, 2013

In my opinion BurnAware didn't make the cue file correctly and your track info is not present!

A proper cue file listing all track info.

CDTEXTFILE "TOM PETTY AND THE HEARTBREAKERS - THE LIVE ANTHOLOGY.CDT"

TITLE "THE LIVE ANTHOLOGY"

PERFORMER "TOM PETTY AND THE HEARTBREAKERS"

CATALOG 0093624979990

FILE "TOM PETTY AND THE HEARTBREAKERS - THE LIVE ANTHOLOGY.BIN" BINARY

TRACK 01 AUDIO

TITLE "LADIES AND GENTLEMEN . . . - TOM PETTY AND THE HEARTBREAKERS"

ISRC USRE10901534

INDEX 01 00:00:00

TRACK 02 AUDIO

TITLE "NIGHTWATCHMAN - TOM PETTY AND THE HEARTBREAKERS"

ISRC USRE10901535

INDEX 01 01:16:31

TRACK 03 AUDIO

TITLE "EVEN THE LOSERS - TOM PETTY AND THE HEARTBREAKERS"

ISRC USRE10901536

INDEX 01 05:49:49

TRACK 04 AUDIO

TITLE "HERE COMES MY GIRL - TOM PETTY AND THE HEARTBREAKERS"

ISRC USRE10901537

INDEX 01 09:30:36

TRACK 05 AUDIO

TITLE "A THING ABOUT YOU - TOM PETTY AND THE HEARTBREAKERS"

ISRC USRE10901538

INDEX 01 14:23:19

TRACK 06 AUDIO

TITLE "I'M IN LOVE - TOM PETTY AND THE HEARTBREAKERS"

ISRC USRE10901539

INDEX 01 19:28:47

TRACK 07 AUDIO

TITLE "I'M A MAN - TOM PETTY AND THE HEARTBREAKERS"

ISRC USRE10901540

INDEX 01 23:23:55

TRACK 08 AUDIO

TITLE "STRAIGHT INTO DARKNESS - TOM PETTY AND THE HEARTBREAKERS"

ISRC USRE10901541

INDEX 01 26:10:00

TRACK 09 AUDIO

TITLE "BREAKDOWN - TOM PETTY AND THE HEARTBREAKERS"

ISRC USRE10901542

INDEX 01 30:45:24

TRACK 10 AUDIO

TITLE "SOMETHING IN THE AIR - TOM PETTY AND THE HEARTBREAKERS"

ISRC USRE10901543

INDEX 01 38:40:30

TRACK 11 AUDIO

TITLE "I JUST WANT TO MAKE LOVE TO YOU - TOM PETTY AND THE HEARTBREAKERS"

ISRC USRE10901544

INDEX 01 42:30:51

TRACK 12 AUDIO

TITLE "DRIVIN' DOWN TO GEORGIA - TOM PETTY AND THE HEARTBREAKERS"

ISRC USRE10901545

INDEX 01 46:25:68

TRACK 13 AUDIO

TITLE "LOST WITHOUT YOU - TOM PETTY AND THE HEARTBREAKERS"

ISRC USRE10901546

INDEX 01 52:51:08

TRACK 14 AUDIO

TITLE "REFUGEE - TOM PETTY AND THE HEARTBREAKERS"

ISRC USRE10901547

INDEX 01 59:46:41

tbrewst · November 7, 2013

I didn't download new software (BurnAware) but I can accomplish what you're trying to do using NXT,specifically NXT2 Pro.I believe you can do the same using NXT.

Use Roxio Burn.When enabled and you put a disc in the drive the Roxio Burn app will appear on your screen.

1) Insert your source cd.The Burn app will appear.

2) Click on the little arrow at the bottom right and a menu will appear.Click "Create Disc Image".

Once that finishes you'll have a .gi image on your hard drive.

3) Now insert a blank cd in your drive.

Once again Roxio Burn will open.

Hit the arrow to get the menu.

This time choose "Add Disc Image".

Choose your image from the location you sent it to.

This will burn the image to the blank cd.

After I did that I used Windows Media Player to play my created disc.It showed individual track with the correct info.

Using this procedure you can use the program you paid for without having to use multiple programs.

cdanteek · November 7, 2013

I had previously tried creating a .gi file using Roxio creator NXT but the CDs burned from this image could not be read by my CD player.

NXT should burn a properly created cue and bin file or Roxio's own gi image file.

Turn off all running programs especially antivirus/firewall software and run a repair on your installation.

Dinosaurous · November 8, 2013

cdanteek: Thank you for the example regarding the CUE file contents.

However, to me, it appears that what BurnAware produced is simply the minimum MetaData necessary to describe the album and the tracks it contains. This is all the original audio CD specification (Red Book by Philips and Sony) allowed for and is obtained from the CD ToC. The minimum MetaData required to separate tracks on a CD being: the binary source file; the track number and type; and the track index. As such this should be sufficient to recreate an audio CD. (I got this info from Wikipedia and other sources regarding CUE files. The Track TITLE and ISRC codes are simply additional info, if required, and are obtained from a Compact Disc DataBase (CDDB) eg Gracenote). The CUE file could be considered as a text representation of the contents of a MS Windows .cda file.

I did try creating a fuller version of a CUE file, as per your example,

CDTEXTFILE "Sarah Brightman - Fly.cue"

TITLE "Fly"

PERFORMER "Sarah Brightman"

FILE "Sarah Brightman - Fly.bin" BINARY

TRACK 01 AUDIO

TITLE "My Track"

PERFORMER "Sarah Brightman"

INDEX 01 00:00:00

TRACK 02 AUDIO

TITLE "My Track"

PERFORMER "Sarah Brightman"

INDEX 01 04:07:25

.

etc., etc.

.

TRACK 12 AUDIO

TITLE "My Track"

PERFORMER "Sarah Brightman"

INDEX 01 50:00:42

and tried burning the CD again. The results:

- Creator NXT produced the same error TE_Doesn’tSupportOperation;

- BurnAware created a perfectly playable audio CD.

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tbrewst: Thank you for your suggestion to use Roxio Burn. (I normally disable unnecessary programs running in the background from startup of my PC)

Roxio Burn did indeed produce a .gi file. And, what’s more, it does correctly play in my HiFi CD playerJ.

I may well use this as the solution to my requirements.

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cdanteek: Thank you for your other comment about what Creator NXT ‘should’ be able to do.

I note from your screen print that you are using Creator NXT Pro 2. I am using Creator NXT which also has the same source file types listed as per your arrowed indication. However, Creator NXT produces the TE_DoesntSupportOperation error when specifying the CUE file. And, when specifying the BIN file, it obviously does not look for a CUE file from which to get the track offset information to include in the audio CD ToC.

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Thanks for all your help. From all your suggestions and my experiments, my original conclusions still stand, essentially that Creator NXT cannot (completely) do what it says on the tin.

Additionally, I would conclude, there must be different code streams used between RoxioBurn and the ‘Data-Copy and Burn-Disc-Image’ function from the Creator NXT control panel. Since, the former produces .gi files that work in my old CD player whereas the latter doesn’t. Note that my more modern players can read the CDs produced by latter. Hence my reference to a new CD laser being on order.

I can however use the RoxioBurn application to generate .gi files for my purposes.

I still need to checkout Creator NXTs ability to edit Tag information. The reason for this is that my other media players that can stream from the network only use the Track TITLE Tag when ordering the track list for albums in, eg, AAC or MP3 format. Therefore the tracks are listed and played in alphabetical order, not track order as laid down on the original CD. i.e. I need to use a Tag Editor to prefix the TITLE with the TRACK number. Hey ho, isn’t life fun!

PS. Good job my wife just bought another stack of writeable CDs from the supermarket!

cdanteek · November 8, 2013

cdanteek: Thank you for your other comment about what Creator NXT ‘should’ be able to do.

I note from your screen print that you are using Creator NXT Pro 2. I am using Creator NXT which also has the same source file types listed as per your arrowed indication. However, Creator NXT produces the TE_DoesntSupportOperation error when specifying the CUE file. And, when specifying the BIN file, it obviously does not look for a CUE file from which to get the track offset information to include in the audio CD ToC.

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No burn software I have will except a bin file when asking for a image source, you load the cue file.

Your BurnAware cue file includes no CD Text, why no track names are listed in it's cue.

Nxt or NXT 2 makes no difference your installation is flawed or your BurnAware cue is flawed if NXT won't burn it and produces the error you see.

Dinosaurous · November 9, 2013

cdanteek: Please, hold those thoughts while I do some more work/testing. btw. in spite of what the post timing says, it's 18:34 where I am and it may be Sunday when I've finished.

cdanteek · November 9, 2013

cdanteek: Please, hold those thoughts while I do some more work/testing. btw. in spite of what the post timing says, it's 18:34 where I am and it may be Sunday when I've finished.

UK ha?

Dinosaurous · November 10, 2013

Hi cdanteek,

(UK yes - And, I've changed/saved the profile stuff even though it already showed my UK timezone)

In spite of my confidence in the original installation, I did as you suggested, turned off all other programs and disabled my AV s/w (But, see my 'flame' at the end). I uninstalled and reinstalled – again no apparent installation problems. (I also ran an update check: No updates available.)

After re-install I tried:

Data-Copy --> Burn-Disc-Image, result: Again, CreatorNXT, gives the same error TE_DoesntSupportOperation.

Regarding specifying a BIN source file I’m afraid I do not know which other burning software you have tried, so cannot comment. As for CreatorNXT, I do not know the all the ins & outs of the software. I am still familiarising myself with it. However, I can say what I have actually tried and what the results are:

CreatorNXT *will* accept the BIN file when asking for an image source. I did this and, as I mentioned previously, it produced an audio CD with a single track that was a merge of all the individual tracks on the original audio CD. i.e. it doesn’t look for an associated CUE file from which to get the track offset information.

BurnAware *will* accept the BIN file when asking for an image source. I did this and it obviously reads the associated CUE file. Because, unlike CreatorNXT, it produces an audio CD which contains all the individual tracks correctly identified in the CD ToC.

ImgBurn *will* accept the BIN file as an image source and then goes and looks for an associated CUE file. It does tell you that you were naughty(!) and should have specified the CUE file in the first place, but the programmers did put in the intelligence to look for a CUE file of the same name. ImgBurn goes on to correctly produce an audio CD. This is using the same CUE file as generated by BurnAware.

Personally, I’m convinced the CUE file I am using, as produced by BurnAware, is not invalid. It contains exactly the minimum info required. The only metadata tags I can’t see are PREGAP/POSTGAP. But then your example doesn’t have these either, so I don’t believe they are necessary.

Surely, CDTEXTFILE is for information stored in the sub-channels on the audio CD. Not all audio CDs have, or are required to have, CDTEXT. Especially, those not produced commercially.

So, for the CUE file, you are correct that my hand-crafted CUE file was not correct regarding the CDTEXTFILE. However, that did not cause any problems for BurnAware or ImgBurn. If CreatorNXT insists on CDTEXTFILE metadata, it’s implementation suffers a design flaw or is incomplete. So, anyway, I corrected the CUE file to read:

CDTEXTFILE "Sarah Brightman - Fly.cdt"

TITLE "Fly"

PERFORMER "Sarah Brightman"

CATALOG 0093624979990

FILE "Sarah Brightman - Fly.bin" BINARY

TRACK 01 AUDIO

TITLE "My Track"

PERFORMER "Sarah Brightman"

ISRC USRE10901530

INDEX 01 00:00:00

TRACK 02 AUDIO

TITLE "My Track"

PERFORMER "Sarah Brightman"

ISRC USRE10901531

INDEX 01 04:07:25

TRACK 03 AUDIO

etc...

Data-Copy --> Burn-Disc-Image still gives the same error: TE_DoesntSupportOperation

No apparent .cdt file is produced. I also closed CreatorNXT and restarted the application to ensure it was definitely re-reading the CUE file.

Not trying to be contentious here but, you say that “NXT or NXT 2 makes no difference”, unless you have confirmed that NXT works correctly, then the assertion is not valid.

I would love to get this working so perhaps you could help with:

Can you tell me what software you use to create BIN/CUE files? I could then try output from this with CreatorNXT.

You mention CreatorNXT can produce a BIN/CUE file combination from an audioCD source. Can you tell me how? The only options for an audioCD source, that I can find in NXT, produce either .iso (which of course is not valid for an audio CD) or .gi. This is the same for either RoxioBurn or the CreatorNXT.

As I said I’m still working my way around the capabilities of CreatorNXT. Any help you can give in this direction would be much appreciated.

FLAME

Ok, Here’s a flame, not a against anyone on this forum, but software writers in general.

To suggest I disable AntiVirus s/w before installing their s/w, is IMHO a COP-OUT.
s/w writers who insist on installing background processes, eg Roxio Backontrack and RoxioBurn (yes, I know I can choose to disable it in this instance) just in case I want to use it, when *95% of the time* I’m using my PC to read email and browse the internet are, in my view, arrogant barstewards.
As for Roxio Creator NXT, it insists on an internet connection to validate the product key. This is, in my opinion again, RUBBISH when I’m using a retail boxed piece of software! Especially, when I have my AV s/w disabled to run the installation! The assumption that every piece of kit is/should be connected to the internet is RUBBISH!

END-OF-FLAME

cdanteek · November 10, 2013

You mention CreatorNXT can produce a BIN/CUE file combination from an audioCD source

I don't believe I said that? If I did I was wrong.

I burn without the error you get in either version.

The Tom Petty Anthology 5 CD set was ripped to ( bin & cue ) using Nero 7 I believe.

Dinosaurous · November 10, 2013

I don't believe I said that? If I did I was wrong.

Hi cdanteek

Re-reading the previous posts, you are correct. I think I miss-read one of your other comments. I’d been spending a lot of time on this and I was getting fed up with burning discs over and over...

I don't have Nero 7 and I’m not sure I can justify the extra cost for the latest version of Nero having just paid for CreatorNXT.

Also, this is probably going beyond my 2 original aims. i.e.

1 ) Produce image archives of all my CDs from which I could recreate the originals if needed.

2 ) Produce a library of lossless format files from which I could stream audio over my home network.

For objective 1.) I was looking into a BIN/CUE combination because I believe it more widely used than the .GI (global image) method used by Roxio. I was trying to future-proof my choice. And, I thought it might be good to ‘add value’ in the form of extra metadata not always included in original audio CDs.

For objective 2.) My initial investigations indicate that .flac format will suit my media players. Got a bit more work to do on this before I’m completely satisfied, though.

I do note, however, from your screen shot that it is the .BIN file that appears to have been specified as the source. Or, am I reading too much into the screen shot example? ;-)

Anyway, thank you, again, for your help. For whatever reason my installation of CreatorNXT produces an error when I specify a CUE file even when it is essentially the same as your example. However, I feel I’ve spent enough time trying to fix this when I’ve got loads of other things to do as well. I’ve just put it down to one of life’s disappointments.

I forgot to ask, what OS do you use? I'm running this on Windows8. I've not tried it on Win7.

cdanteek · November 17, 2013

I forgot to ask, what OS do you use? I'm running this on Windows8. I've not tried it on Win7.

Running NXT 2 Pro on W-8 x64 Pro.

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